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Am I the Only One That Thinks the Product is Good Right Now?

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#1 · (Edited)
Long post incoming. If you don't want to read it, fine, but don't be a smartass and reply with "TOO LONG, DIDN'T READ LOLZ".

Am I the only one that thinks the product is good at the moment? Personally I think it has been the best in a while (at least since the Summer of Punk).

Let me share a story with you guys.

My roommate is a former wrestling fan who was a regular watcher during the Attitude and Ruthless Aggression eras. One day I was watching Raw (October 2012 I believe) and asked him to join me. At first he denied because he said he would have no idea who anyone was or what was going on, but I convinced him to still give it a shot.

We ended up watching most of the show (on Youtube) and turns out he actually enjoyed it. He is a huge fan of Ryback and is very invested in this Punk/Ryback feud.

The reason I brought that up is because most of you guys watch the show just looking for disappointment. You pick out small portions of the show and later express your distaste. It's as if you only watch WWE so that you can complain after the show is done. I know this because I lurk the discussion threads and very rarely see anything positive being posted.

WWE is headed in the right direction and are providing solid groundwork for the Road to Wrestlemania as well as their long-term future. Let me break it down for you.

- Ryback. I'm not his biggest fan because I know he's a meathead hand picked by Vince, but it's hard not to get into him. "FEED ME MORE" is a great catchphrase and it will move lots of merch in the future. The casuals are invested in him and so am I. For example, last night I was waiting all show for Ryback to come out and destroy CM Punk and The Shield. And when he did I was eager to see what he would do next.

- John Cena is not in the main event. He's in an upper mid-card feud with Dolph Ziggler currently. Even though Ziggler has been pinned twice by Cena, he is still getting a major rub by competing against the WWE's top dog. It's also a breath of fresh air seeing as how Cena is not chasing the title and has not held the belt in over a year.

- Punk's title reign. Today he tied John Cena, tomorrow he will surpass Cena and be in sole position of the 6th longest reign in history. When Punk loses the belt, it will be monumental. The amount of prestige and credibility he has brought back to the title cannot be put into words.

- The Shield. Three new guys who all have a lot of potential. We have not seen these guys in a match yet (at least I haven't, don't follow NXT), but it looks like they all bring something different to the table. Ambrose seems like he's an amazing talker and oozes charisma. This was evident last week in his interview. Rollins has a look that I think will mesh will with casuals when somewhere down the line he turns face. Similar to Jeff Hardy, but a much better wrestler. Reigns is a Batista-esque enforcer who doesn't say much to begin with, but his character will slowly progress later on.

- Mid-card divisions are getting more exposure. Sure, this was expected with the move to 3 hours, but still. It is nice to see Antonio Cesaro bring some credibility to the US title and even Kofi is doing a decent job as IC Champion. Back to Cesaro though, the guy is a beast. He possesses some serious strength and I can see him as WHC by the end of 2013. Also worth noting in this section the Tag Team division. It has lost a bit of steam as opposed to a couple of months ago, but it is still decent. I'm expecting Kane and Bryan to lose the belts soon which will open up an opportunity for a couple of up and comers to get the gold (PTP, developmental guys?).

I can keep going but these are the main points I wanted to address.

In conclusion, the product (in my opinion) is the best it has been in at least a year. There are a lot of things to look forward to on a weekly basis as well as long term. Just because the show does not meet Attitude Era standards does not mean it isn't good. For a transitional period, we are being provided with good programming.
 
#27 ·
^ the fatal 4 way was good, but what else? it's like they toss us actual WRESTLING fans a bone and have one good match like sheamus/cesaro on last week's raw. otherwise, it's mediocre stuff that's pointless to watch. fucking lawler adds nothing to the broadcast and is probably making it seem worse than it is. cole is like one of those types that gets a little better when he works with someone good and gets worse when he works with someone horrible like lawler. he called dean ambrose "daniel abru" and fucked up a couple other times. if someone like jbl were there it would definitely help. i've found myself enjoying smackdown much more since jbl became the color man.
 
#28 ·
- Punk's title reign. Today he tied John Cena, tomorrow he will surpass Cena and be in sole position of the 6th longest reign in history. When Punk loses the belt, it will be monumental. The amount of prestige and credibility he has brought back to the title cannot be put into words.
WHAT??? Lmao this is the biggest bullshit I've read in a while. Punk always needs Cena to close the show... What kind of champion is that? His feuds with Ziggler, Bryan, Del Rio and Jericho were very boring. He made the title look like shit, it looks like a mid-card title now. The ROCK will become champion soon and bring back the prestige and credibility to the title
 
#29 ·
As far as the last 2 weeks go, I agree. Finally I care about RAW again. Went nearly 2 months being dissatisfied and uninterested in a bulk of the product. Now I'm digging what they're pumping out pardon a few blemishes. The positives seem to outweigh the negatives now. Even Smackdown the past week was the best in a LONG time.
 
#31 ·
It seems like some people just have low expectations these days and when they see something that isn't completely horrible they over exaggerate its quality, mediocre = "great" to them after watching so much garbage. Also, there are legitimate reasons to be critical of the WWE product, just because someone complains about it doesn't mean that they don't have a valid point.
 
#32 ·
I watch Raw but I watch it because I love wrestling. When the awful music begins, I'm not like I could have been sometimes " Yeah, It's time for Raw Oh Yeah ! ". I watch it but there is nothing I expect. The storyline aren't bad but they don't kept me interesting. Is it that hard to create excitment because they did it in the past.
So, the product isn't bad but that's not really good for me
 
#33 · (Edited)
I personally love the current product. Some great matches, storylines, and a lot of new wrestlers.

CM Punk/Jericho, HHH/Lesnar, HHH/Taker, Cena/Lesnar, Cena/Punk, Show/Sheamus, Team Hell No have all been interesting feuds this year.

Return of the Rock, and Brock Lesnar. This alone makes this year better then the previous few years. I mean we got the Rock and Brock Lesnar back fighting for the WWE. How awesome is that.

Legends returning. Vader, Lita, Anderson, JBL, and much more. It was great to see a lot of these guys.

Tag team division has gotten much better this year. USO's, Team Hell No, the black guys, Mysterio/Cara, Rhodes/Sandow. The tag division has been better this year then it has in years.

Some great new talent to build our future on. Sandow, Barrett, Ryback, Cesaro are all guys that I would love to see as the top guys in the WWE.
 
#35 ·
I think it still sucks but this week's Raw was much better as compared to last few weeks. It looked like they actually planned the show and went with it. From start to end it was structured pretty well (not good in my opinion but better than the shit they have been pulling in the past few months).

As far as midcarders getting more exposure goes, I strongly disagree. Sure the fatal 4 way was a good match but I dont think they have gotten as much tv time or memorable storylines for the midcard title as they could have with the 3 hours. Remember the days when IC title had long rivalries with actual storylines and a payoff with some special matches (like ladder match) on Raws? Yea those days are long gone.

Tag team division is still a joke. Putting 2 mexican luchadores together, 2 black guys (one of which is useless) together, 2 puerto ricans together with no direction, motive or credibility is doing no good to the tag division. How original.. right? If anything it only shows the diversity in the WWE roster.

The only team that actually has chemistry and are charismatic is Kane and DB and the sole reason as to why that is goes to Daniel Bryan's recent popularity and Kane being a vet in this business and ofcourse with the time invested in them with the whole storyline with AJ and as how they became a tag team.
 
#38 ·
As a fan of 20+ years i will always compare to the attitude era which i dont understand why they left in the first place as the ratings were sky high


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#39 ·
people always think the attitude era is this wonderful, mystical thing where everything was gold. Wrong, i can clearly remember people saying the product sucked back then compared to wcw, i can clearly remember people saying in 2002-03 the product was average, same with 06-07 etc and today.
Point is everyone has selective memory and there was shit/great storyline feuds and shit/great wrestlers in every era.
Right now the iwc has had cm punk champion for over a year, he has had quality feuds with other iwc favs like daniel bryan, we have had the rock and lesnar come back, the tag team division is starting to gather momentum, and cena hasn't been champion in ages......and guess what everyone still whinges. That is the typical "iwc-emo" outlook. Feel sorry for those that are like this to be honest.
 
#52 ·
people always think the attitude era is this wonderful, mystical thing where everything was gold. Wrong, i can clearly remember people saying the product sucked back then compared to wcw, i can clearly remember people saying in 2002-03 the product was average, same with 06-07 etc and today.
Point is everyone has selective memory and there was shit/great storyline feuds and shit/great wrestlers in every era.
Right now the iwc has had cm punk champion for over a year, he has had quality feuds with other iwc favs like daniel bryan, we have had the rock and lesnar come back, the tag team division is starting to gather momentum, and cena hasn't been champion in ages......and guess what everyone still whinges. That is the typical "iwc-emo" outlook. Feel sorry for those that are like this to be honest.
That's BS. Sure, there was a small minority of people who said stuff like that but don't act like it was as common as it is today.
 
#40 ·
I been watching Breaking bad recently and watching that has put me off watching wresting for about 3 weeks, as the characters in that TV show and the writing of that show and then turning on to watch Raw makes feel sick. The reason is that show gave me a reason to keep on watching season after season every day, the WWE simply does not make me want to tune in every week to see what happens next as soon as WWE gives us fans griping TV again their is no point of watching this every week and being bored out of my brains.
 
#42 · (Edited)
i can tell you so many fans right now walk away for something else...right now on the chat room i'm with alot of guys have stop and so quite with no comment. Usually on the chat room people always have comment during the break but now got so bad that people just goes fuck that bullshit. don't know how many fans that WWE gain but they have lost alot of fans.

i can't believe how far WWE have fall went from full of momentum out of WM and now those people just don't give a fuck about it...3 hours does hurt WWE due to bad booking and push wrong guys.
 
#43 ·
The in ring product is great at the moment (and has been for a while) but from an entertainment standpoint and being able to 'catch on' with casual fans (which make up the majority, regardless of what people say on here) theres a hell of a lot left to be desired.
 
#44 ·
Apart from Punk Hell No and the debut of Dean Ambrose Sandow (and maybe Cesaro) the product does nothing for me. As for watching the show to look for parts to hate on... No not at all. I watch it hell sometimes even live in hope of seeing it getting better but i think its Starbuck who said it: They need to change the direction they are going. A complete revamp and start building up future stars
 
#45 ·
I totally agree with you. Sometimes i'm just amazed after watching RAW (which in my opinion was awesome) coming here and seeing all the hate posts, it's like there is NOTHING interesting going on in WWE atm for certain people. But i guess it's a matter of opinion.
 
#47 · (Edited)
Having a few things to look forward to doesn't make the product good when you've got so much hours of filler show. Most of the times we see the same repetitive shit which nobody wants to see. The product is stale and boring for the most part. The stories and booking are cringeworthy almost every single time. They can't use their own roster properly and constantly fuck up people with potential for the sake of such who doesn't deserve to be working for the company at all.

Let's review the spoiler for the upcoming Smackdown:

WARNING! SPOILER FOR THE NEXT EPISODE OF SMACKDOWN!




WWE SmackDown
* The show opened with Sheamus and World Heavyweight Champion The Big Show signing a "no-contact" clause until TLC.

* The Big Show defeated Daniel Bryan with a chokeslam from the top rope. The Shield appears and beats down Bryan. Kane comes out for the save, but The Shield gets the advantage and triple power bombs Kane through the announce table

* There was a segment done with Damien Sandow and an apprentice. The apprentice failed. The Miz came out and ripped Sandow.

* 3MB defeated Brodus Clay and The Usos. Drew McIntyre hit the future shock DDT on one of the Uso's for the pinfall.

* Randy Orton defeated Wade Barrett with an RKO after Kofi Kingston, who was at ringside on commentary, distracted Barrett.

* The Great Khali (w/ Natalya) & Hornswoggle defeated Epico & Primo (w/ Rosa Mendes)

- Antonio Cesaro and R-Truth talk in the ring, and begin to fight. Cesaro tries to get a cheap shot onto Truth, but he retreats. The US Title remains in the ring, but Truth celebrates and tries to egg Cesaro to come back into the ring.

5. Sheamus defeated Alberto Del Rio in the main event of the night. The Big Show stood on the stage for the duration of the match. The crowd really seemed to be into Sheamus throughout the match, and Sheamus would come from behind and beat down Del Rio with White Noise and a Brogue Kick. After the match, The Big Show teased Sheamus into hitting him. Instead, Sheamus threw Ricardo Rodriguez into the crotch of Big Show, laughed, and celebrated as Smackdown went off the air.
Sheamus vs ADR N# 825
Orton vs Barret N# 792
* The Great Khali (w/ Natalya) & Hornswoggle defeated Epico & Primo (w/ Rosa Mendes)- are you fucking serious? This company deserves it's faith.
* 3MB defeated Brodus Clay and The Usos. Drew McIntyre hit the future shock DDT on one of the Uso's for the pinfall. - few days ago 3MB defeated the USO's and now the same shit.
* There was a segment done with Damien Sandow and an apprentice. The apprentice failed. The Miz came out and ripped Sandow. - Sandow doing the same thing he did in the past episodes of Smackdown and RAW, but now instead of Santino we get to see The Miz interrupt him.
Big Show defeating Bryan - probably another easy win for Show against Bryan just like the last time they met not long ago. The Shield powerbombing someone again. Great action.


You think the product is good overall?

I'm watching everything besides SMS every single week,but the product is just bad.
 
#48 ·
Am I the Only One That Thinks the Product is Good Right Now?
Looks like I'm not the only one that is happy because Punk is injured.

Honestly Idk, everyone is overrated in the main event

Punk - 380 fucking days as Champion - OVERRATED
Cena - 10 time WWE Champion - OVERRATED
The New Rock - Just goes there and gets a title match - OVERRATED
Ryback - Who the fuck is he anyways to get a title shot? - OVERRATED

Midcard is cool.

Although there are too much jobbers in WWE. In TNA Robbie E is the only jobber.
 
#50 ·
I think the product still needs work, but they're on their way to a boom period. I see the difference between now and 2 years ago. The show has become more well rounded and they're starting to depend less on Cena by attempting to establish their midcard titles and superstars.
Also the content itself has gotten better, SLIGHTLY edgier, but they seem to be adding more effort and layers into their stories which is always a good thing.
I'm excited to see what happens after TLC or the Royal Rumble 'cause that's when things will really start to pick up
 
#54 ·
I don't think its as bad as everyone says it is. And I don't think its amazing either. I tend to mostly watch WM Season and up until Summer Slam and quit watching for football season.

I do think there are plenty of positives for the short term and long term. There's a tremendous amount of young talent that will carry the WWE for years to come. When I look long term I see Sheamus, Barrett, Ryback, Ambrose, Miz, Reigns, and Sandow as your Main Event Stars. I'm unsure who exactly would be the "FACE" of this group just yet. Maybe there doesn't need to be one. Hopefully at the WM in 2014 you see a title unification which starts the new era.

For the short term I see all of those guys getting built up for the 2014 and beyond Era. I like the resurgence of the Tag Team Division. It actually seems like the mid card is starting to be better right now with Ceasaro and Miz & others leading the way.

Is the overall product that great. Naw its not, but I'm at least starting to see some semblance of a plan being put together. I think this upcoming WM season will be one you'll never forget.
 
#55 ·
The product it's fucking awesome... if you repeat it to yourself numerous times, it will become true.
 
#56 ·
I don't think the overall product is terrible right now but lazy writing is pretty evident in a lot of shows. Vince changing and re-writing things even while the show is going on has to put a lot of stress on creative but at the same time it can't be that difficult to move stories along in a logical progression. There isn't going to be and really shouldn't be a major twist in every episode but just moving angles along in a way that makes sense from week to week would be a huge help.

As for not being able to build stars or not having any, I don't buy that. Ryback is going to be a major player in 2013 whether people like him or not and he's following in the mold of a guy like Cena that was pushed incessantly until he just became a main event fixture that was widely accepted. There are plenty of guys that could be stars but Vince seems to have a short leash with most of them (aside from Del Rio and Sheamus) so of course people aren't going to go nuts for them.

This roster has a lot of talent and there's even more waiting in NXT but creative being hesitant to do anything substantial with most characters is holding them back. Take Danielson for example. The guy was over as hell as WHC and during his WWE title feud with Punk but instead of keeping him going strong against main eventers like Orton and Cena he gets lumped into a comedy tag team. I'm not saying that the beginning of THN wasn't great because it was but what is being the whiny, slightly feminine half of a team really doing for his character progression? I could go on and on about stop and start pushes for guys like Rhodes, Ziggler, and Barrett but you get my point.
 
#57 ·
The only thing i really can get into atm in WWE is the Shield storyline. Everything else is absolutely tits up horrible.