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Am I the Only One That Thinks the Product is Good Right Now?

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Long post incoming. If you don't want to read it, fine, but don't be a smartass and reply with "TOO LONG, DIDN'T READ LOLZ".

Am I the only one that thinks the product is good at the moment? Personally I think it has been the best in a while (at least since the Summer of Punk).

Let me share a story with you guys.

My roommate is a former wrestling fan who was a regular watcher during the Attitude and Ruthless Aggression eras. One day I was watching Raw (October 2012 I believe) and asked him to join me. At first he denied because he said he would have no idea who anyone was or what was going on, but I convinced him to still give it a shot.

We ended up watching most of the show (on Youtube) and turns out he actually enjoyed it. He is a huge fan of Ryback and is very invested in this Punk/Ryback feud.

The reason I brought that up is because most of you guys watch the show just looking for disappointment. You pick out small portions of the show and later express your distaste. It's as if you only watch WWE so that you can complain after the show is done. I know this because I lurk the discussion threads and very rarely see anything positive being posted.

WWE is headed in the right direction and are providing solid groundwork for the Road to Wrestlemania as well as their long-term future. Let me break it down for you.

- Ryback. I'm not his biggest fan because I know he's a meathead hand picked by Vince, but it's hard not to get into him. "FEED ME MORE" is a great catchphrase and it will move lots of merch in the future. The casuals are invested in him and so am I. For example, last night I was waiting all show for Ryback to come out and destroy CM Punk and The Shield. And when he did I was eager to see what he would do next.

- John Cena is not in the main event. He's in an upper mid-card feud with Dolph Ziggler currently. Even though Ziggler has been pinned twice by Cena, he is still getting a major rub by competing against the WWE's top dog. It's also a breath of fresh air seeing as how Cena is not chasing the title and has not held the belt in over a year.

- Punk's title reign. Today he tied John Cena, tomorrow he will surpass Cena and be in sole position of the 6th longest reign in history. When Punk loses the belt, it will be monumental. The amount of prestige and credibility he has brought back to the title cannot be put into words.

- The Shield. Three new guys who all have a lot of potential. We have not seen these guys in a match yet (at least I haven't, don't follow NXT), but it looks like they all bring something different to the table. Ambrose seems like he's an amazing talker and oozes charisma. This was evident last week in his interview. Rollins has a look that I think will mesh will with casuals when somewhere down the line he turns face. Similar to Jeff Hardy, but a much better wrestler. Reigns is a Batista-esque enforcer who doesn't say much to begin with, but his character will slowly progress later on.

- Mid-card divisions are getting more exposure. Sure, this was expected with the move to 3 hours, but still. It is nice to see Antonio Cesaro bring some credibility to the US title and even Kofi is doing a decent job as IC Champion. Back to Cesaro though, the guy is a beast. He possesses some serious strength and I can see him as WHC by the end of 2013. Also worth noting in this section the Tag Team division. It has lost a bit of steam as opposed to a couple of months ago, but it is still decent. I'm expecting Kane and Bryan to lose the belts soon which will open up an opportunity for a couple of up and comers to get the gold (PTP, developmental guys?).

I can keep going but these are the main points I wanted to address.

In conclusion, the product (in my opinion) is the best it has been in at least a year. There are a lot of things to look forward to on a weekly basis as well as long term. Just because the show does not meet Attitude Era standards does not mean it isn't good. For a transitional period, we are being provided with good programming.
 
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Well, I don't know if you're the only one (I highly doubt it) but since I can only speak for myself, I certainly disagree with you. I think this is the worst that the WWE product has ever been. The 2.55 rating certainly shows that some people agree with me as they're walking away from the product. I just want something different than what WWE is currently providing me as a wrestling fan.

Also, for the record, I am not holding the current product to the standards of the Attitude Era. if anything, I wasn't a fan of the Attitude Era & highly preferred WCW. Although I will readily admit that during the height of the WWF popularity, they at least had stars. Current WWE does not have any stars.

When Punk loses the belt, it will be monumental. The amount of prestige and credibility he has brought back to the title cannot be put into words.
This is a fucking joke. I love C.M. Punk. One of my favorite guys in all of WWE & I followed his career all the way through the Indies but this title reign has not meant dick & when he does lose the best, people won't give two-shits & Punk will just fall down back to the midcard. I have no doubt in my mind that a year-long reign was some sort of clause in his contract or some shit at this point. None of his wins have meant anything & the length wouldn't even be obvious to anyone if Punk himself didn't talk about it to try to get it over. He has not added any prestige or credibility to the title. When he was a babyface title holder, he played second fiddle to John Cena. Now as a heel, he's just another coward that runs his mouth. No one gives a shit.
 
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This is a fucking joke. I love C.M. Punk. One of my favorite guys in all of WWE & I followed his career all the way through the Indies but this title reign has not meant dick & when he does lose the best, people won't give two-shits & Punk will just fall down back to the midcard. I have no doubt in my mind that a year-long reign was some sort of clause in his contract or some shit at this point. None of his wins have meant anything & the length wouldn't even be obvious to anyone if Punk himself didn't talk about it to try to get it over. He has not added any prestige or credibility to the title. When he was a babyface title holder, he played second fiddle to John Cena. Now as a heel, he's just another coward that runs his mouth. No one gives a shit.
You are wrong. Holding the belt for 381+ days in this era is simply ludicrous. The only person to hold it for just as long is John Cena, and he is this generation's top star. And Punk passed him too. Do you really think they would have him hold the belt for a year without having future plans for him? He's going to be in the main event for a very long time once he drops the belt.

The problem is the filler, why we need that extra hour? to see those random ADR and Sheamus matches?, you know I'm probably biggest ADR fan on this forum and I'm tired of him appearing on RAW, he should just wrestle on SD and may appear on RAW backstage short segments with Rosa.
I agree. ADR is a failed experiment and needs to stop being pushed.

Let's review the spoiler for the upcoming Smackdown:
To be honest, I don't watch Smackdown. I haven't in years. Ever since the brand split ended it's relevance has deteriorated to being simply a filler show. Raw is the main show thus I make all my conclusions based off it.
 
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To answer the OP's thread title. No. Because no one in the history of ever has ever been the only one to think a certain opinion.

But to answer the general question, I think the product is currently mediocre -- with various things about it ranging from decent to godawful.
 
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no you are not. But its really hard find them, the product is really in the depths of hell right now and needs a complete overhaul
 
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I must admit, the current product is very underrated by this forum, but it's not like its 5* entertainment.

Last night's RAW was really good, but the thing is, WWE can't have more than 2 weeks of good programming, they aren't able to give frequent good quality shows for a big period of time, that's why opinions here change twice a month.
 
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I'm enjoying certain aspects of the product atm, namely:

Punk's title reign, Ziggler's push, Ryback's push, Sandow and The Shield.

Some aspects I don't like are:

3 hour RAW's, Smackdown sucking, pointless filler matches, Team Hell no, Del Rio/Orton feud, Sheamus, Big Show, Vickie Guerrero and AJ getting too much TV time...

I've being enjoying most shows and PPV's lately though. So the product gets an ''Ok'' from me atm.

Btw OP, who's that in your sig? Something I've wondered for a while lol.
 
#8 ·
Apart from Punk's run in 2011, the current product is better than it has been for years. People on the internet and particularly wrestling fans will complain about everything, you just need to look at the archived posts from the AE IWC to see that. If you watch the show with a positive attitude then it's really easy to enjoy it, the enjoyment is only spoiled when we get idiots like Cena and Lawler insulting people's intelligence and that hasn't been happening too much recently, or at least not on the level it was before. Since Linda lost I've enjoyed every episode of Raw.
 
#9 ·
Well this weeks Raw was definitely better than the last two weeks which has been bad, it was pretty good. Overall I think the product is definitely not great right now and is very stale aside from a couple of things. WWE are doing things right but are not able to create buzz or interest in the product mainly because their booking is so last minute and there is no long term investment or planning.

I also think they are going about it the wrong way as in they are trying to create a product ratings orientated and they sit there with their min to min breakdowns and biting their figure nails waiting for the inevitable rating to come in. You can't book shows like that. There needs to be some long term planning and investment for the future for years to come. Not just in the talent like WWE have been trying to do but in the creative process. Ratings in this day and age in wrestling means jack shit because there is no legit competition to compete with. It's just to keep the sponsors happy.
 
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I really enjoyed this weeks raw, now with a lot of new talent arising on raw its generating a lot of interest for me to watch raw. I'm a big fan of Ryback as well and enjoy watching him every week, I think raw has a lot of good weeks and bad weeks its very inconsistent but I think Vince and the WWE team have realised that they really need to change things up because ratings are dropping rapidly.
 
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The problem is the filler, why we need that extra hour? to see those random ADR and Sheamus matches?, you know I'm probably biggest ADR fan on this forum and I'm tired of him appearing on RAW, he should just wrestle on SD and may appear on RAW backstage short segments with Rosa.
 
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The product is not the best, but it's certainly the most enjoyable it's been since April. I can't speak on Smackdown since I don't watch it, but RAW is getting better imo. The Shield brings a nice dynamic, Punk/Heyman is gold, Ziggler/Cena is something fresh and Team Hell No is really connecting with the audience.. The matches have been on par as well.
 
#18 ·
It's a combination of all the factors that is hurting WWE:
- Wrestling is no longer "cool" or popular.
- The booking/writing is poor & lacks continuity.
- No one has any heat.
- There aren't any stars.
- The titles don't mean anything.
- The wins/losses don't mean anything.
- The show is too long.
- People don't want their intelligence insulted.
- There aren't any fresh match-ups & WWE runs everything into the ground.
- There's no reason to watch each week. Nothing ever changes. There are no consequences or cliff hangers.
- There is no emotional investment, either positively or negatively, for anyone on the entire roster.
- Too many ads, replays, recaps & media whoring.
This sums up my thoughts pretty well. Thank you Walk-In (though I changed a couple things).

I'd also like to point out especially how lazy creative and booking are. In past years the Fed would have at least come up with some plausible idea for Ziggler putting up his MiTB briefcase against Cena. Now...we get Vinnie Mac using his veto power to just...change the stipulation. "Its this way because I say its this way!" Kudos, John Pollock, for pointing this out. Its dreadful. And the booking...Cena has pinned Ziggler clean TWICE in a week. Why is Dolph putting his briefcase up in a match where we've already seen the babyface win definitively twice? The feud is over, we've gotten the logical conclusion. Instead, we're being asked to pay 55 bucks to get either the same conclusion or a different one that was achieved in a completely ass backwards manner on PPV. That, at its core, is what's wrong with this company. They're taking basic pro wrestling concepts, hell, STORYTELLING concepts, that make sense and have been proven to work perfectly well in the past, and they're just abandoning them and consistently trying to push these new ways of doing things are are mind numbingly stupid and very apparently don't work. But rather than fix them, they just keep doing the same wrong things over and over hoping that it'll work out, like a guy running into a brick wall hoping that if he does it enough times he'll get through. Won't happen.

My dad always said the definition of an idiot is someone who does the same stupid thing over and over again and expects the outcome to be different. Well, WWE, you're being run by idiots.
 
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Just going to go ahead and refer to Rule #3 in the Wrestling Fan Handbook here.

The product is always bad. Always. It is never good enough. If you are thinking about stating otherwise, be prepared for a backlash of which the likes you have never seen. Arguments against you will include but are not limited to the PG rating, "all the wrong wrestlers" being pushed, "all the right wrestlers" being "buried", John Cena, Triple H, John Cena and Triple H, Linda McMahon & some ramble pertaining or referring to the Attitude Era.
 
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It's nice that you are enjoying the product, but no it's not good and it hasn't been for awhile. 2012 hasn't been kind to WWE, but it's their own fault.

The only good part is The Shield and for me it's because they're new. Once that wears off come next year, I'll just be waiting for them to get fucked over by the writers as they typically do with intriguing storylines.
 
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It's not great but it's nowhere as bad as people make it out to be each and every single week in the RAW discussion thread.

Simply put there are some things on RAW that I like and things that I don't. There are the weeks when I enjoy RAW and then they are weeks when I didn't like it and found it a complete bore.
 
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It always amazes me how easily you bash other non WWE shows when their not 100% perfect but then can defend WWE and their garbage whenever somebody has a negative opinion about it. No offense, but the problem with the WWE is people like you. People who continue to except mediocrity and look down on people who want to see the product improve because they know full well that the WWE is capable of producing a product that can blow us all away. Why would the WWE ever need to improve themselves when they have so many loyal fans like you who will continue to watch and gladly except whatever they put out?

If you think that the product is good that's fine because that's your opinion. You shouldn't complain when people say Raw is terrible because it really is that bad to some people. Take me for example. It's pretty much unwatchable with the exception of about ten minutes every show. That's just not worth the time to me. I say what I say because I know that the WWE is capable of more than what they are giving us. This is the same company that created the most entertaining era in wrestling history so don't give me the "it's a different time" or "the things that worked back then won't work today" bullshit either. The year or time has nothing to do with having "consistent title divisions, story lines that make sense, more attention to mid carders, ect. I don't make those excuses for them because I don't work for the WWE like some people on here think they do. If I'm not being entertained I don't watch.

It makes me sick when people try to downplay how bad the product today. It makes me even more sick when people tell other people to stop being so negative because this negativity is what's ultimately going to lead to the improvement of the WWE. The WWE is all over the net these days I'm sure the ratings declining and the negative vibe on the internet is showing them that their product in the wrong direction. Smiling and bullshitting with yourself about how the product is still good will get us nowhere.

I honestly think the product has been good since mid to late 2010. People end up getting smarky and forget how to watch wrestling.
Everything you posted was fine until this point. People didn't forget how to watch wrestling. The WWE forgot how to create good wrestling. I would have never been a wrestling fan if the WWE produced this crap ten years ago.

No offense but I think people like you either don't know or forgot just how good the WWE was in the past.

.......waiting for usual "stop living in the past" post.
 
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i thought raw was overall pretty boring. apparently half a million people thought so too according to the ratings drop. the miz tv lie detector test and the fatal 4 way were the only parts worth watching. the rest was mediocre to what's the point waste of my time.
 
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The matches on Raw have been surprisingly good from week to week. And of course Punk will have his haters regardless what he does but him and Heyman have been bringing their A game for a while. For the most part Raw has been good. U def arent the only one but im afraid ur in the minority.