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Secondly, no one has to prove anything. You believe what you want to believe. If you say there's an invisible purple monkey in your living room why the fuck would anyone but you care about it? The way you describe it everyone else has to believe it for you to have justification to believe it yourself. And that's simply not true. No one has to prove anything exists for they, themselves, to believe it. You can play hopscotch with your invisible monkey or even spank your invisible monkey for all anyone else cares. :
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That would be all nice if certain people weren't hiding behind "god" and his "message", in the bible/qur'an etc, to disrupt other people's livelihood
 
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Too bad Cody is 100% wrong, sucks for him. :|
 
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That would be all nice if certain people weren't hiding behind "god" and his "message", in the bible/qur'an etc, to disrupt other people's livelihood
I live in the heart of the bible belt...straight up holy rollers here (we even have a snake handling church right down the road from where I live) and I've never seen that happen. Not once. Can you give me an example of how they disrupt peoples livelihood?
 
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I live in the heart of the bible belt...straight up holy rollers here and I've never seen that happen. Not once. Can you give me an example of how they disrupt peoples livelihood?
The crusades?

It might not be as prevalent here, in america, but there are places where people get persecuted just because they don't believe in a god, or believe in different gods than the vast majority

Then, we have those politicians who try to pass laws to prevent students from learning certain stuff from school, or prevent certain laws from passing, because they don't feel it goes along with their religious beliefs
 
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...Wait, this is a wrestling forum right? It is? Then why is there a religion fight (I refuse to call the sum of the uneducated posts I have come across as a debate) in the Smackdown section of a wrestling forum?

There's a time and a place. This is most certainly neither.
 
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...Wait, this is a wrestling forum right? It is? Then why is there a religion fight (I refuse to call the sum of the uneducated posts I have come across as a debate) in the Smackdown section of a wrestling forum?

There's a time and a place. This is most certainly neither.
Agreed...can we move this thread to rants?
 
...Wait, this is a wrestling forum right? It is? Then why is there a religion fight (I refuse to call the sum of the uneducated posts I have come across as a debate) in the Smackdown section of a wrestling forum?

There's a time and a place. This is most certainly neither.
The funniest part about the thread is that the OP misquoted Rhodes so this whole thread is about something that Rhodes never even said.
 
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Damn you Cody this is all your fault hope you get buried.......
 
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I can't believe I missed this thread for so long.

Every time I start to feel confident that humanity is finally beginning to pull itself out of the Dark Ages, I can always rely on a random thread on the internet to remind me of just how far we have left to go.

Thanks for knocking my faith in humanity down a few pegs, WrestlingForum.com! Wouldn't want that tower getting too high.

****1/2, would read again.
 
I'm Catholic (sorta, mostly, I believe on God, anyway) and found that not at all offensive. Hell I wouldn't have been offended if he was yelling that there DEFINITELY was no God. It's not like it was a storyline or anything either, it was nothing more than a throwaway line.
 
Cody believes in God, because he knows better, hence the "If I DIDN'T know any better..."

Anyway why does it matter so much, I believe in God and Heaven and all and I didn't bat an eye when he said it.
 
First of all, Science has proven nothing. How can a human that has been on the earth for 80 some years at most decide that this earth, which we've nearly killed in less than 200 years (since we've began using huge amounts of gas), is over 14 billion years old? Also, what about the prophecies in the Bible? What about the fact that the Bible states that the earth is round way before we ever proved it?

Science is just a figment of your imagination. We can't prove how old things are, whether evolution is true, or any of that. I prefer to believe in the almighty God that is proven to have created this world with his good works.
You've misread my post, as was already pointed out.
 
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First of all that wasn't "religion being wrong" that was a bunch of dip shit rubes falling for a carney act...which is probably apropos.

Secondly, no one has to prove anything. You believe what you want to believe. If you say there's an invisible purple monkey in your living room why the fuck would anyone but you care about it? The way you describe it everyone else has to believe it for you to have justification to believe it yourself. And that's simply not true. No one has to prove anything exists for they, themselves, to believe it. You can play hopscotch with your invisible monkey or even spank your invisible monkey for all anyone else cares. :)

The same for religion. I really couldn't care less either way.

Religious people have a certain je-ne-sais-quoi about them that I never find in Atheists... thus making them far more interesting.
I agree that people should be free to believe whatever that want to. If people wish to waste their Sunday's attempting to telepathically communicate with some supposedly omnipotent, yet never seen being, who never answers back, good for them, I really don't give a shit.

What I do take issue with, however, is religion's effect on society. For example, the fact that religious groups can sway legislation, particularly in secular nations is unacceptable. If people wish to be religious in the confines of their own home or at at a place of worship with other religious people that is fine, outside of that, however, religion should have no place in general society whatsoever and it certainly should not effect the way people live their day to day lives.

The purple monkey example is completely ridiculous. The Bible has been around for a long time and unless there is a historical document that talks about this purple monkey then it's nothing.
Ha! Are you suggesting the Bible is historically accurate??

What about "the great flood", of which there is no evidence of ever happening?? Or the suggestion the earth is only 6000 years old??
Then of course there's the story about the first ever humans who lived for nearly 1000 years before being coerced into eating a forbidden fruit by a talking snake.... :argh:
Yep, sounds real plausible.
 
The crusades?

It might not be as prevalent here, in america, but there are places where people get persecuted just because they don't believe in a god, or believe in different gods than the vast majority

Then, we have those politicians who try to pass laws to prevent students from learning certain stuff from school, or prevent certain laws from passing, because they don't feel it goes along with their religious beliefs

The fuck I care about what happens in other countries? That has absolutely nothing to do with my every day life. It isn't an intrusion upon me... I really couldn't care less how other countries look at religion. I don't see religion as intrusive at all. Is it in other countries? Of course it is. But that has nothing to do with me, my country or what Cody said.

As for schools. Religion really doesn't play any part in public schools. As for private schools, I really couldn't care less. You pay money to go to those and you get what they advertise. I have no problem with it.

Can you cite one law that was passed for schools that is intrusive about religion? I'm not saying there haven't been any but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

Being in the bible belt like I am I can't remember religion being talked about in school at all.



I agree that people should be free to believe whatever that want to. If people wish to waste their Sunday's attempting to telepathically communicate with some supposedly omnipotent, yet never seen being, who never answers back, good for them, I really don't give a shit.
Me either. They can worship cows, pigs, ducks or snakes for all I care. :p

What I do take issue with, however, is religion's effect on society. For example, the fact that religious groups can sway legislation, particularly in secular nations is unacceptable. If people wish to be religious in the confines of their own home or at at a place of worship with other religious people that is fine, outside of that, however, religion should have no place in general society whatsoever and it certainly should not effect the way people live their day to day lives.
I hate special interest groups in general... But with that being said, I don't have a problem, per say, with religious groups trying to sway legislation. That happens with all sorts of special interest groups. Atheist groups are free to do the same thing religious groups do when it comes to legislation.

And if you don't like what your legislators choose to do with these special interest groups then vote against them come next election.

I still don't see how religion affects how anyone lives their day to day lives though. Are you legally forced to go to church or something?

It doesn't effect me in the slightest... and it doesn't get any more religious than where I live... we have the hell fire and brimstone churches here. It's a riot. :p



... and this discussion is why WWE should push Cody as a heel atheist... it doesn't matter if it has nothing to do with what he originally said. :p
 
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"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." George W. Bush.

Yeah, right, christians don't mess with atheist at all. Atheist are commonly discriminated in the US.
 
Me either. They can worship cows, pigs, ducks or snakes for all I care. :p



I hate special interest groups in general... But with that being said, I don't have a problem, per say, with religious groups trying to sway legislation. That happens with all sorts of special interest groups. Atheist groups are free to do the same thing religious groups do when it comes to legislation.

And if you don't like what your legislators choose to do with these special interest groups then vote against them come next election.

I still don't see how religion affects how anyone lives their day to day lives though. Are you legally forced to go to church or something?

It doesn't effect me in the slightest... and it doesn't get any more religious than where I live... we have the hell fire and brimstone churches here. It's a riot. :p



... and this discussion is why WWE should push Cody as a heel atheist... it doesn't matter if it has nothing to do with what he originally said. :p
Well by influencing legislation they are affecting people in their day to day life aren't they...

For example, in Australia the Australian Christian Lobby are currently running campaigns against gay marriage, the introduction of an R18+ rating for video games and voluntary euthanasia (just to name a few). So if I was a gamer (which I am), gay or suffering greatly due to a terminal illness then potentially these campaigns, and thus religion, could affect my day to day life.

The issue with religious lobby groups as opposed to other lobby groups is that their opinions are based on fictitious, supernatural beliefs and nothing else. So why should those who are not believers be forced to subscribe to their moral code? I suppose religious lobby groups have the right to voice their opinions, these opinion however, should be completely disregarded.
 
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