Triple H vs Roman Reigns at WM was the best "I'm putting you over...(but not really)" since Hogan lost to Ultimate Warrior at WM6. It was so subtle Vince probably didn't even notice his son in law buried his top guy.

He beat Lesnar in front of 70,000 people and then Lesnar beat Triple H in a cage match on a B-PPV that most people don't even remember. etc.

 

Order of the Stick puts it nicely.

 

Roman was getting booed out of the building long before Triple H was even a factor. Triple H wasn't responsible for Roman's shortcomings. How did Triple H bury Roman?

Lesnar beat him at Summerslam prior which is the 2nd biggest event of the year. Lesnar won the feud 2-1 end of story.

You gonna make an actual counter argument and respond to my points or just post memes lol?

 

Roman was getting booed out of the building long before Triple H was even a factor. Triple H wasn't responsible for Roman's shortcomings. How did Triple H bury Roman?

In that specific match Triple H was supposed to work heel and Roman was supposed to be the top face. But instead he just played to the fans and took the cheers instead of being professional. It was entertaining to watch but Roman mustn't have liked getting played like that (if he even knew what happened).

Heard a story about Dusty Rhodes and a celebrity(I forgot who), and Dusty insisted on his entrance being last because it made him look like the bigger star. Triple H getting owned at Summerslam and then triumphantly returning and beating Lesnar in front of 70,000 fans makes him look like the bigger star. Even though technically Lesnar won the feud. etc

Triple H is like the only guy who complains about trailers for their video games showing him in "compromised situations" or whatever he said. Guys' a control freak for sure.

 

I assume the O/P didn't actually watch Raw from Fall 2002 through April 2005.

 

I mean the term burial is overused in general. It seems things go like this

Main eventer I like beating someone = they gave them a rub and made them look good.

Main eventer I don't like beating someone= burial because they're a selfish asshole.

 

I’ve been saying this for years.

Wrestlemania 20- Put over Chris Benoit
Wrestlemania 21- Put Over Batista
Wrestlemania 22- Put over John Cena
Wrestlemania 30- Put over Daniel Bryan
Wrestlemania 32- Put over Roman Reigns
Wrestlemania 33- Put over Seth Rollins

6 new guys Triple H put over at WrestleMania, but the haters won’t say anything.

 

I’ve been saying this for years.

Wrestlemania 20- Put over Chris Benoit
Wrestlemania 21- Put Over Batista
Wrestlemania 22-Out over John Cena
Wrestlemania 30- Put over Daniel Bryan
Wrestlemania 32- Put over Roman Reigns
Wrestlemania 33- Put over Seth Rollins

6 new guys Triple H put over at WrestleMania, but the haters won’t say anything.

And what was he doing in the rest of the PPVs before those WMs? How many wins and losses did he have? That should give you some perspective.

Reminder that--in 2001--HHH demanded Vince and co. that Angle was too small to be champ, and that he should beat Kurt for the WWF title at the Royal Rumble that year. Pat Patterson told him to fuck off and challenge Angle to a legit wrestling match.

HHH did not talk shit after that, but he certainly undermined him and Jericho in the first half of 2002.

It was Gerald Brisco who asked Triple HGH to challenge Angle to a legit wrestling match.

 

HHH did more for others than Cena did remember that.

I agree with the OP as I'm not one of the bandwagoner's that believe Hunter did nothing but bury people since for the most part he rarely didn't get what was coming to him.

 

I thought The Rock should've wrestled HHH at WrestleMania and gone over strong. In saying that, we got two more great matches at Backlash and Judgment Day out of it. I just hate how The Rock regained the title at King of the Ring by pinning Vince.

I also hate how HHH won the Elimination Chamber at Summerslam. Goldberg should have gone over in that match. Instead HHH cut the legs out from under him and killed his heat.

OP made a good point about stuff like the RVD match, and in hindsight there's a case to be made both ways about the Sting match.

Back to The Rock, I think he should've been more of a politician sometimes. HHH went over in the vast majority of their matches, even in multi-man matches he was pinning The Rock.

I guess The Rock was a lot more secure about his place in the business than HHH and knew he could always get his heat back with stellar character work.

The main thing that has always annoyed me about HHH is worming his way into the Kliq and manipulating Shawn in his dealings with Bret Hart, and trying to get The Rock written out of the WM main event in 1999.

 

At the time I definitely thought Triple H was burying everyone because he's a selfish asshole, but I was 13 and new to the Internet (and IWC) at the time. I still think there were times where Triple H was simply looking out for his best interests- like the Booker T thing and also Ric Flair constantly saying HHH is the best wrestler alive today, which simply wasn't true. One, Flair's greater and two, the roster at the time was loaded with amazing talent, not so much on the Raw brand, but a lot of guys on Smackdown could run circles around The Game. But big picture, Triple H did good business.

You need to have bad guys looking strong so that it's a bigger deal when a babyface finally beats him. A heel that constantly does the job isn't effective, because a win over them doesn't mean as much. Triple H occupied the "final boss" role from 2002-2005. That meant he had to beat some of our faves and upset us short-term. Beating guys like Booker and Kane made sense, same with Nash and Steiner, and yeah, Triple H beating RVD sucked but was necessary. One of the more egregious ones was Summerslam 2003. HHH was always going to job to Goldberg, but extending the story another month didn't add anything positive. Having Goldberg win the Chamber would have been a legitimate star-making moment for Big Bill, but the standard match a month later at Unforgiven where he captured Big Gold was really "meh", which unfortunately came to epitomise Goldberg's first WWE run.

Triple H being this dude that ran roughshod through the Raw roster made him a meaningful threat to overcome. It was a huge moment when Benoit beat him at Mania XX. It wouldn't have been as big had HHH dropped the belt a couple of times in the years prior. He made Batista a star. The coronation of The Animal at WM21 was about as perfect as it gets. Triple H had the equity to really make people when he did take the rare losses. If anything, he gave up some of that equity going 0-3 to Batista in 2005 PPV matches. When we came around to Cena vs. HHH at WM22, it was fairly obvious that Cena was going over to cement his spot as the top face on Raw. I never really felt like Hunter had a chance of winning that Mania.

 

Trips burry's the entire roster current and past. He is a scumbag that only cares about himself.

 

Booker T. Case closed.

P.S. Did I seriously see someone suggest that Triple H putting over Roman at Mania 32 as an example of him doing the right thing? He shouldn't have been in the fucking main event in the first place, lol.

Also, losing does not mean "putting over." People need to draw a distinction between the two. You can lose to someone and not put them over. You can put them over without losing to them. Who has beaten Triple H at a WrestleMania, just to use that show as an example, and looked better for it? Chris Benoit? The Triple Threat and the Kane program were there to sink him. A case of clever and subtle sabotage. I'll give you Batista. John Cena? Nope. Daniel Bryan didn't need to beat Triple H -- he was already more over. Also, the next year Bryan's opening the show while Triple H is in a heavily promoted match with Sting and segment with Rock and Ronda Rousey. Seth Rollins? Exact same thing. Triple H "loses," then the next year he's the story and the guy that beat him is winning a mid-card belt in the opener.

Triple H has made one person in his entire career by losing to them. That's Batista. That's it. No one else gets anything from beating The H's, so they don't look like a star and then they had their chance and they failed. Time to go back to The H's.

The best work Triple H did that ever put anybody over, outside of Batista, is probably his heel work in 2000. And the guys who got the most out of that, no joke, were probably Taka Michinoku and Earl Hebner. I'm not lying.

 

Booker T. Case closed.

P.S. Did I seriously see someone suggest that Triple H putting over Roman at Mania 32 as an example of him doing the right thing? He shouldn't have been in the fucking main event in the first place, lol.

Also, losing does not mean "putting over." People need to draw a distinction between the two. You can lose to someone and not put them over. You can put them over without losing to them. Who has beaten Triple H at a WrestleMania, just to use that show as an example, and looked better for it? Chris Benoit? The Triple Threat and the Kane program were there to sink him. A case of clever and subtle sabotage. I'll give you Batista. John Cena? Nope. Daniel Bryan didn't need to beat Triple H -- he was already more over. Also, the next year Bryan's opening the show while Triple H is in a heavily promoted match with Sting and segment with Rock and Ronda Rousey. Seth Rollins? Exact same thing. Triple H "loses," then the next year he's the story and the guy that beat him is winning a mid-card belt in the opener.

Triple H has made one person in his entire career by losing to them. That's Batista. That's it. No one else gets anything from beating The H's, so they don't look like a star and then they had their chance and they failed. Time to go back to The H's.

The best work Triple H did that ever put anybody over, outside of Batista, is probably his heel work in 2000. And the guys who got the most out of that, no joke, were probably Taka Michinoku and Earl Hebner. I'm not lying.

I acknowledged Booker T as the one burial lol. Learn to read

Chris Benoit fucked up on his own accord. Chris Benoit was BAD on the mic. He couldn't carry a show because his promo skills were so lacking. He wasn't fit for a world champion. He got credible clean victories over HBK and HHH and he still felt like a Midcard world champion. He couldn't step up to the occasion. It's noted that his drawing power was very low. HHH had nothing to do with Benoit's failures;he didn't give Benoit a one dimensional character and weak mic skills.

Daniel Bryan opened the show because they didn't trust him with the world title after he got injured last year. Guess What? He got injured again. In hindsight, it was the right move because otherwise the main eventer would've retired for 2 years.

Who else was gonna fight Roman in the main event at mania?

You're complaining about him losing to Seth only to... get his ass kicked by Ronda. He put someone else over why are you complaining?

Hunter deserves every criticism. Dude jumps at any chance to put another notch in his belt. But that's easy when you're married to Vince's daughter.

He main evented Wrestlemania before he started dating Stephanie LOL. He was inevitably gonna be a top guy when Austin and Rock left.

He made Raw so unbearable to watch from 2003-2005 that I basically stopped watching. Also SD was awesome at that time. Oh and even after that there was Sting as well, he and Vince just had to piss on WCW's corpse again, because they're the only ones who still care at this point. And beating CM Punk for no good reason and then going back into retirement as well.

The title of the post is called BURYING. He didn't BURY CM Punk because otherwise would CM Punk had a record setting world title reign a month later?

Who else did you want to see hold the world title on RAW other than Triple H and Booker T (who I acknowledged as the one burial)?

 

Reminder that--in 2001--HHH demanded Vince and co. that Angle was too small to be champ, and that he should beat Kurt for the WWF title at the Royal Rumble that year. Pat Patterson told him to fuck off and challenge Angle to a legit wrestling match.

HHH did not talk shit after that, but he certainly undermined him and Jericho in the first half of 2002.

 

-Right before his WM main event match with Jericho, he went on national TV and said that Jericho is not a top tier talent.

-According to JR, HHH used to bury Punk in creative meetings for having a "fat ass".

-He once admitted that he used to bury Cena for "not having it".

-Bret said that him and Michaels used to bury The Rock for not having enough talent. He even once insisted that Bret should beat Rock for his IC title.

-He came up with the montreal screwjob idea.

-When he was asked about Flair's "Foley is nothing more than a glorified stuntman", HHH said that the statement is accurate.(Foley, the guy that made HHH a star).





You can't tell me that all these are false accusations. He simply doesn't seem like a stand up guy.

 

HHH is 10-13 at Wrestlemania. Not exactly Undertaker's streak.

 

12; loss to Warrior (0-1)

13; win over Goldust (1-1)

14; win over Owen Hart (2-1)

15; loss to Kane via DQ (2-2)

16; win over Rock, Foley, and Big Show. Main event (3-2)

17; loss to Undertaker (3-3)

18; win over Jericho. Main event (4-3)

19; win over Booker T. (5-3)

20; loss to Benoit. Main event (5-4)

21; loss to Batista. Main event (5-5)

22; loss to Cena. Main event (5-6)

24; indirect loss to Orton. (5-7)

25; win over Orton. Main event (6-7)

26; win over Sheamus. (7-7)

27; loss to Undertaker. (7-8)

28; loss to Undertaker. (7-9)

29; win over Brock Lesnar. (8-9)

30; loss to Daniel Bryan. (8-10)

31; win over Sting. (9-10)

32; loss to Roman Reigns. Main event (9-11)

33; loss to Seth Rollins. (10-11)

34; indirect loss to Kurt Angle and Ronda Rousey. (10-12)

35; win over Batista. (11-12)

 

Na triple h was always going over the rock which made no sense since rock was the face of the company when Austin went down. I never understood how hhh was hogging the wwf title in 2000 when the rock was by far the biggest star in the company.

 

They were pretty desperate on the heel side and Trips had signed on for five years. He was a perfectly fine in-ring worker -- he was just dull and boring as fuck -- which is why he got all the bells and whistles and Cactus Jack's career thrown at him. But there were early comparisons to DDP as a champion that wasn't going to draw.

 

I did. People really overstate how bad he made it. He didn't even hog that much screen time. In 2002-2003,he wasn't even the main focus of the show. Austin/Bischoff was. When Kane got unmasked, he got more screen time than the World title scene. When Rock had his feuds with Austin and Goldberg, he got more focus than Triple H did. The only time Triple H took up a lot of screen time is when they were doing storylines to build stars in Orton and Batista which is necessary for building the future.

He didn't bury The Rock which was my point in the post. Rock beat HHH on several occasions too so it's not like it was one sided.

Why do you care about what goes on backstage? The point was Angle wasn't buried because Angle went on to be a multiple time world champion and main venter. You're a fan not some backstage politician so judge what you see on TV.

Jericho was failing as champion before HHH's rivalry started. He never felt like a credible top guy, he felt like a mid carder in the main event.

 

He went over Rock when it mattered the most and that was WM2000 and Judgment Day

 

He made Raw so unbearable to watch from 2003-2005 that I basically stopped watching. Also SD was awesome at that time. Oh and even after that there was Sting as well, he and Vince just had to piss on WCW's corpse again, because they're the only ones who still care at this point. And beating CM Punk for no good reason and then going back into retirement as well.

 

Hunter deserves every criticism. Dude jumps at any chance to put another notch in his belt. But that's easy when you're married to Vince's daughter.

 

Do you know what a burial is? Tell me in what way Brock's career was harmed going on from that feud. Poor Brock he ended the streak and held the title forever. Did losing to Triple H damage his career in anyway?

Read the title of the post. He didn't bury Roman. Roman may have no looked amazing but he wasn't BURIED.

 

The fucking Coronavirus will be ancient history by the time I get done reading all of that. Too Long; Didn't Read

Do you know what a burial is? Tell me in what way Brock's career was harmed going on from that feud. Poor Brock he ended the streak and held the title forever. Did losing to Triple H damage his career in anyway?

Read the title of the post. He didn't bury Roman. Roman may have no looked amazing but he wasn't BURIED.

I dunno, but the only time Brock has ever moved the needle since returning in 2012 was his first few matches in the company (Cena, the HHH feud.) Since then, he's had little effect on business. So it's up for you to decide whether the Cena and HHH losses happening so close together damaged his brand any, but it certainly didn't help it.

 

That would happen with every returning guy. The first few appearances will pop a rating but afterwards it's no longer a surprise. Lesnar has been back for 8 years now and he's been in the world title scene for ages. It's not like it's shocking anymore.

 

 

I enjoyed Triple H in the Attitude Era and I enjoyed him from 2006 to this day, but from 2002 to 2005 he was awful. In those three years he was always the focal point of Raw and he buried every guy he faced except Shawn Michaels.

It's crystal clear that from 2002 to 2005 Triple H was on a mission to bury every popular star so he can be the only top guy, Jericho, RVD, Booker T, Kane, Scot Steiner, Randy Orton, all of them looked like crap against him. I don't have a problem with Triple H beating them, the issue is how bad all of them looked.

In 2005 and 2006 he put over the next two top guys of the company, Batista and John Cena, that was cool and I respect him for that, but I think he didn't need to bury everyone in the three years prior to that, he could have beaten his opponents without making them look so bad.

 

I'll agree with you in the sense that Triple H gets too much shit for winning matches sometimes, for example I had no problem with him beating Brock or Sting. He has to win to maintain credibility, but he does have a history of halting guys momentum.

Him beating Punk was one of the dumbest fucking things I've seen considering the circumstances at the time. Him beating a white hot Orton at WM25 was another dumb call, he ended up dropping the belt in a 6 man tag match... how the fuck is that even possible? Another dumb call, him winning the belt and the 2016 RR.

 

He main evented Wrestlemania before he started dating Stephanie LOL. He was inevitably gonna be a top guy when Austin and Rock left.

I forget the exact timeline but didn't HHH start seeing Stephanie around the time of his feud with Vince in late 1999? I'm pretty sure he and Stephanie were already flirting with each other long before the WM main event. I'd say they were already sleeping with each other, but HHH & Steph change the timeline so it doesn't look like he was cheating on Chyna and reflects better on him.

Hell, Stephanie wasn't the only McMahon he groomed. He weaselled his way into the Kliq which allowed him to sit in on creative meetings and pitch ideas (about his and other people's creative) to Vince.

People act like marrying Stephanie allowed him to become the top guy in-ring in the business, but if he had ulterior motives in marrying her, that wasn't even his main benefit.

Marrying Stephanie allowed him to become the heir to the boss of the company.

By the time he's 60, he'll control the whole fucking thing.

It's crazy. He usurped the boss's own son.

 

Triple H only buried one guy his entire career and that's Booker T. The Reign of Terror is a false narrative people made up because they were upset that a non smark favourite was on top.

Erm ... ROFL
People saw that as reign of terror, because HHH was obviously on top because of being with the bosses daughter. (Guess why Brandy is so often on AEW TV.) Sure, you can start a discussion if it could have been worse or how good or bad he is. But that misses the point. To make it short: it could have been worse.

 

Wait Brandy is Khan's daughter? Cody playing the long game there. PROPS. LOL

Triple H was positioned on track for the top spot(or one of them) in 1999 BEFORE he started dating Stephanie. And if we're being totally honest his spot on top in 2002 was mostly due to Austin walking out and Rock being off doing movies. He was the top guy that they had left and by that point they had two separate touring brands and NEEDED him on top of one because as I stated he was the top guy that they had left and n the other show they were banking on Lesnar to become the next guy.

 

Well convenient that you ignore the numerous times (especially in the latter part of his career ) where he needlessly inserted himself into feuds and angles... Now that he is uncle Paul from NXT, most seem to have forgotten his and Stephanie's unnecessary interventions... Attitude era Triple H was a fantastic heel.. No denying that.. But lets not pretend like he was the best there was, which he most definitely was not ..nor was he this magnanimous person, Most matches were focused on putting Triple H over than anyone he supposedly put over.... I would give him maybe 2-3 good years but the rest were either spent on building him up (pre 2000) or him unnecessarily being in angles or being this boring babyface...

 

I mean what top guys don't get involved in things? Who was a better heel in the WWE from 2002-2005? And if you actually remember 2002-2005 the majority of HHH's wins came via Evolution interference or the sledgehammer which means his opponents were protected. But just like a lot of things people pick and choose when they acknowledge protected losses.