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All I've seen in this thread is a bunch of random Austin hate. The only time I've heard him refusing to do a match was against Lesnar and that was only because he wanted it to be a PPV match instead of a random RAW match.
 
Ok i'm going to address the Austin situation firstly. Stone Cold was the No.1 guy in the business at the time. Only Rock could compete and Austin and Rock never had problems. As far as being paranoid goes, Austin would not have anyone to be paranoid about. He was a megastar, and never had any real competition other then Rock. I won't condone his actions for walking out of the WWE those two times, but that has more to do with Stone Cold's ego then it does, him being protective of his spot or paranoid. When you look at it from Austin's point of view when he walked out during the whole Brock Lesnar thing he proberly felt it was wrong to put the biggest star in the business against the new rookie even if he was getting a massive push. WWE should have waited until Lesnar had built more momentum up before putting him again Austin. It wasn't right thing to do but it wasn't because he was being paranoid. As for the second time he walked out. Well who would he have been paranoid about there. Losing to The Coach? Those two times were purely Austin's ego getting the better of him.
He was protective of his spot. An ego getting the best of you = protective of your spot. Not hating on Austin or HHH at all, Undertaker also had a habit of doing this too at the time, so I'm not just picking on those 2.

As for Triple H. It's very easy to point the finger at HHH because everyone loves to bitch about HHH and politics, yet nobody knows a damn thing about anything he does. HHH buried this guy, HHH buried that guy. HHH is paranoid. But as far as being paranoid goes, when he got to the Main Event, he became a big player and didn't have anyone to be paranoid about either. In his early day he might have been a bit protective of his spot, but pro wrestling is a very competitive envoirnment. You have a load of guys always trying to become big star and considering HHH had to deal with the likes of The Rock and Mankind, he proberly was worried. To say he was paranoid is still going far.
I guess you don't know the history of the Kliq huh? All of them are very well known for being protective of their spots, the only reason Hall and X-Pac didn't get as far as the other members because drug/alcohol problems kept them down.

In 2000, all the main event fueds were interwined in some way. you had The Rock, HHH, Undertaker, Kurt Angle and Stone Cold all having their beef with Rikishi playing a small role. That's why we had the 6 Man Hell In A Cell. But the break it down. HHH and Rikishi were aligned with each other due to them both being involved in Austin being run over. Austin went after Rikishi first because he ran over Austin. From a backstage standpoint the reason why they had this fued was to end HHH's fued with Kurt Angle so they could put them both in the fued. But nonetheless Ausitn and HHH still had a lot of beef with each other and the rivalry was going on.
They rekindled their rivalry, the feud wasn't going on for a full year. There's a difference between a rivalry and a feud. A rivalry means they could have more than just 1 feud with each other, like Kane/Undertaker for example. If they had feuded for like more than 4 or 5 months without a break feuding with other people then you can call it a long feud.


Well that's WWE for you. Blame the bookers for what happened.
Stephanie was part of the booking team in late 2000, him and Steph were starting to go together (in reality as well, not just storyline anymore), HHH was part of the booking meetings at the time. Because of these three things I fail to see how HHH was forced to come back so early.


What times was this? are you saying he was going to the booking meetings around the time him and Austin were fueding in 2000. HHH would never had that much power back then. If you're talking about later on in years. Well i've heard the same thing as well but it still dosen't mean he was paranoid.
HHH already had a lot of stroke by late 2000, the only difference was since he wasn't the biggest star in the company he wasn't able to use it to the fullest like he did in later years.


Again blame the bookers.
Stephanie was booking then, HHH/Stephanie were already going together, HHH was part of the booking meetings, so again I feel that Stephanie booked that stupid shit and HHH didn't mind, despite how ridiculous it was.
 
Hogan & Austin was not the original plan.

Read Stone Cold's book "The Stone Cold Truth (2003)" - Austin never mentions anything about refusing to fight Hogan. Why? Because it didn't happen!

The plan was Hogan & Rock all along. Austin's stock was poor after the failed heel turn, but Rock was still hot.

Austin was 38 years old, and they knew he didn't have much time left. Rock, however, was only 29 years old, so beating Hogan was a passing of the torch.
 
He was protective of his spot. An ego getting the best of you = protective of your spot. Not hating on Austin or HHH at all, Undertaker also had a habit of doing this too at the time, so I'm not just picking on those 2.
Not neccesserily. You can have a big ego but not generally be over protective or paranoid. If Austin was worried about someone taking his place or spot? He wouldn't have been so accepting of The Rock who as I already said, the only guy who rivalled Austin.

However he might have been worried about being made to look too weak or bad. That's why his ego proberly got the best of him, for example with Brock Lesnar who was only a new wrestler making a name for himself at the time and was not a main eventer. You don't just go from squashing jobbers and mid-carders to beating the NO.1 guy in the business. You got to work your way up. He proberly felt unhappy with that idea because (1)Lesnar hadn't fought a main eventer before he was supposed to beat Austin and (2)He hadn't proved himself. if I recall it was the same reason why Austin refused to put HHH over I think in 1999 before HHH's fued with Mick Foley because he felt HHH was not ready.

I guess you don't know the history of the Kliq huh? All of them are very well known for being protective of their spots, the only reason Hall and X-Pac didn't get as far as the other members because drug/alcohol problems kept them down.
I know about the Kliq, and like I said, in HHH's early years he might have been a little protective because as I said the wrestling business tends to be very competitive. Guys are always trying to become breakout stars, so you have a lot of competition. But just for example, when HHH came into the business he was being groomed to become a big star. But then Stone Cold debuted in the WWE and started becoming a star as well, and eventually ended up bypassing HHH(proberly due to the Curtain Call Incident) and winning the World Championship. Then Mick Foley also debuted in the WWE too and started becoming a star and bypassed HHH too because he won the World Championship. Finally you have The Rock, he came into the business, and it's common knowledge about how HHH and HBK didn't like The Rock and how they treated him. But Rock started becoming hugely popular after he turned heel and joined the Nation, and by 1998 he bypassed HHH too, and ended up winning the title. So you see HHH had a lot to contend with. My point is though, HHH was always competiting with them for the top spot. He wanted nonthing more then to become a World Champion and so he proberly was protective of his spot in his early years. But I don't really recall any incidents back then where HHH might have looked over protective because as far as I remember, he's always been the guy who paid his dues. Fpr example he was the only one to get punished for the Curtain Call Incident. But after he became a World Champion I don't think so. He had no real competition because between 1999 and 2002 the only guys he was competiting with were already in the Main Event. After that he was already a huge star and had nothing to worry about.

They rekindled their rivalry, the feud wasn't going on for a full year. There's a difference between a rivalry and a feud. A rivalry means they could have more than just 1 feud with each other, like Kane/Undertaker for example. If they had feuded for like more than 4 or 5 months without a break feuding with other people then you can call it a long feud.
A rivalry can also be if their fued never stopped and continued to have bad blood between each other but haven't actually fought as much E.G The Rock and Chris Jericho. Austin had bad blood with HHH from the time of the car accident. He showed this when Asutin returned at Backlash and screwed HHH over for the title against The Rock. When he returned their was still bad blood between them, but because HHH was busy with Kurt Angle and Rock he focused his effort on them moreso while Austin was busy trying to find out who ran him over. Then it was revealed that Rikishi and HHH were involved in Austin getting run over, and that just made it worse because now they destined to fight.

Stephanie was part of the booking team in late 2000, him and Steph were starting to go together (in reality as well, not just storyline anymore), HHH was part of the booking meetings at the time. Because of these three things I fail to see how HHH was forced to come back so early.
Yeah HHH and Steph had a relationship but that dosen't mean HHH had any say in those booking meetings or that his relationship got him more leveage. This is just the same old stuff you hear about how the only reason HHH is in the position he's in, is because he's married to the bosses daugther. At the end of the day, as far as HHH goes, he could never out politic Austin, The Rock or Undertaker. Not to mention that Vince McMahon oversees everything so he would have to allow it either. The finish of Surivor Series would be entirely up to Vince McMahon, not Steph.

Anyway it still can be considered just one of the booking flaws WWE had at the time.

HHH already had a lot of stroke by late 2000, the only difference was since he wasn't the biggest star in the company he wasn't able to use it to the fullest like he did in later years.
A lot of main eventers have a degree of stroke in the company. The Rock, Austin and Undertaker had it too. Hogan had it, Shawn Micheals had it, Bret Hart had it before the Montreal Screwjob and even today I reckon Cena has stroke too. As far as using it to the fullest in later years, well it's still down to speculation as to whether he did use his storke or not.
 
I heard it was going to be:

The Rock vs Hulk Hogan
Steve Austin vs Goldberg
The Undertaker vs Sting
Kurt Angle vs Ric Flair
Triple H & HBK vs Hall & Nash

Not really, I just made it up. Would have been something though.
 
Not neccesserily. You can have a big ego but not generally be over protective or paranoid. If Austin was worried about someone taking his place or spot? He wouldn't have been so accepting of The Rock who as I already said, the only guy who rivalled Austin.

However he might have been worried about being made to look too weak or bad. That's why his ego proberly got the best of him, for example with Brock Lesnar who was only a new wrestler making a name for himself at the time and was not a main eventer. You don't just go from squashing jobbers and mid-carders to beating the NO.1 guy in the business. You got to work your way up. He proberly felt unhappy with that idea because (1)Lesnar hadn't fought a main eventer before he was supposed to beat Austin and (2)He hadn't proved himself. if I recall it was the same reason why Austin refused to put HHH over I think in 1999 before HHH's fued with Mick Foley because he felt HHH was not ready.



I know about the Kliq, and like I said, in HHH's early years he might have been a little protective because as I said the wrestling business tends to be very competitive. Guys are always trying to become breakout stars, so you have a lot of competition. But just for example, when HHH came into the business he was being groomed to become a big star. But then Stone Cold debuted in the WWE and started becoming a star as well, and eventually ended up bypassing HHH(proberly due to the Curtain Call Incident) and winning the World Championship. Then Mick Foley also debuted in the WWE too and started becoming a star and bypassed HHH too because he won the World Championship. Finally you have The Rock, he came into the business, and it's common knowledge about how HHH and HBK didn't like The Rock and how they treated him. But Rock started becoming hugely popular after he turned heel and joined the Nation, and by 1998 he bypassed HHH too, and ended up winning the title. So you see HHH had a lot to contend with. My point is though, HHH was always competiting with them for the top spot. He wanted nonthing more then to become a World Champion and so he proberly was protective of his spot in his early years. But I don't really recall any incidents back then where HHH might have looked over protective because as far as I remember, he's always been the guy who paid his dues. Fpr example he was the only one to get punished for the Curtain Call Incident. But after he became a World Champion I don't think so. He had no real competition because between 1999 and 2002 the only guys he was competiting with were already in the Main Event. After that he was already a huge star and had nothing to worry about.



A rivalry can also be if their fued never stopped and continued to have bad blood between each other but haven't actually fought as much E.G The Rock and Chris Jericho. Austin had bad blood with HHH from the time of the car accident. He showed this when Asutin returned at Backlash and screwed HHH over for the title against The Rock. When he returned their was still bad blood between them, but because HHH was busy with Kurt Angle and Rock he focused his effort on them moreso while Austin was busy trying to find out who ran him over. Then it was revealed that Rikishi and HHH were involved in Austin getting run over, and that just made it worse because now they destined to fight.



Yeah HHH and Steph had a relationship but that dosen't mean HHH had any say in those booking meetings or that his relationship got him more leveage. This is just the same old stuff you hear about how the only reason HHH is in the position he's in, is because he's married to the bosses daugther. At the end of the day, as far as HHH goes, he could never out politic Austin, The Rock or Undertaker. Not to mention that Vince McMahon oversees everything so he would have to allow it either. The finish of Surivor Series would be entirely up to Vince McMahon, not Steph.

Anyway it still can be considered just one of the booking flaws WWE had at the time.



A lot of main eventers have a degree of stroke in the company. The Rock, Austin and Undertaker had it too. Hogan had it, Shawn Micheals had it, Bret Hart had it before the Montreal Screwjob and even today I reckon Cena has stroke too. As far as using it to the fullest in later years, well it's still down to speculation as to whether he did use his storke or not.
Yes all big stars do have stroke, but some use it a lot more than they should.

HHH did have say in the booking meetings, he wasn't just sitting there not saying anything, why else would he be at the meetings?
 
one of the dream match that could have happen is Steve Austin vs Goldberg and it's true but not at WM18...Austin said in his interview he wanted to work with Goldberg and put him over. Austin also said Goldberg is great guy but Goldbeg placed in wrong bad environment it makes Goldberg a paranoid guy.
 
Yes all big stars do have stroke, but some use it a lot more than they should.

HHH did have say in the booking meetings, he wasn't just sitting there not saying anything, why else would he be at the meetings?
True about stars using more stroke then they should, but it's still in the air about whether HHH is one of those stars who did. As I said before, he paid his dues and when he finally got to the top there was no one going to knock him down from his pedestal.

As for HHH having a say in those meetings. HHH proberly gave his opinions in the meetings, maybe some ideas. Vince has always being the guy who likes people to speak their mind so HHH might have done so. But to actually decide things would be a whole different story. He wasn't a booker by any chance.
 
True about stars using more stroke then they should, but it's still in the air about whether HHH is one of those stars who did. As I said before, he paid his dues and when he finally got to the top there was no one going to knock him down from his pedestal.

As for HHH having a say in those meetings. HHH proberly gave his opinions in the meetings, maybe some ideas. Vince has always being the guy who likes people to speak their mind so HHH might have done so. But to actually decide things would be a whole different story. He wasn't a booker by any chance.
Yeah, he gave ideas. I didn't say he was a booker, I just said he attended the meetings. Stephanie was a booker, and because they were going out he had a lot of stroke with some of those ideas, add to the fact that he was a Kliq member.
 
I had read in many places that back in mid 2001 before injuries scuppered everything the plan was to have Stone Cold Steve Austin and Triple H as the main event of WrestleMania 18 as at this time WWE didn't buy out the contracts for The New World Order so at that time there were no plans for Hulk Hogan in any role. Stone Cold Steve Austin and Triple H were said to have been paired up so a story could be told over time with their past history coming through and then they would split and feud going into WrestleMania on the back of a long backstory.

Obviously Triple H was then injured and any plans for him ended right there as no one knew for sure if he would be back in time or not, it was something WWE had already experienced when Stone Cold Steve Austin ended up being out longer than first though in 2000. It wasn't until really late in 2001 or early 2002 that WWE had signed The New World Order but it has always been said that Vince McMahon wanted to do Austin/Hogan but couldn't agree on terms between the pair nor a finish that either man was happy with. By early 2002 as already said Stone Cold Steve Austin was paranoid about his spot as he then had Hulk Hogan as well as The Rock as viable options for the top spot whilst Triple H briefly was very popular as well.

It was said that Hulk Hogan refused to lose to Stone Cold Steve Austin and refused to look weak upon his return whilst Stone Cold Steve Austin said he wouldn't work with Hulk Hogan if he wasn't going over. Vince McMahon tried to come up with all different ideas to make both men happy but in the end it was a lost cause because neither man would budge. By 2002 The Rock had already become a star in Hollywood and was a HUGE draw outside of wrestling as well as inside so Rock/Hogan made sense but there have always been rumours that Hulk Hogan refused to lose to The Rock as well until he was promised a WWE title run straight after WrestleMania which did happen at Backlash a month after Triple H had won it.
 
Original plan: Austin Vs. Helmsley. He refused to drop the title to The Game again.

Back-up plan: Austin Vs. Hogan. He didn't trust Hogan would put him over. Despite lying his ass off for years in various interviews including his own DVD, he finally admitted it on an episode of his Podcast show that he was offered the match and turned it down.

He then settled for Hall, but again refused to lose.

- Vic
 
Original plan: Austin Vs. Helmsley. He refused to drop the title to The Game again.

Back-up plan: Austin Vs. Hogan. He didn't trust Hogan would put him over. Despite lying his ass off for years in various interviews including his own DVD, he finally admitted it on an episode of his Podcast show that he was offered the match and turned it down.

He then settled for Hall, but again refused to lose.

- Vic
Thx. But a 6 year bump was a bit much bud :p

http://www.wrestlingforum.com/gener...ral-wwe/2155209-did-austin-turn-down-triple-h-hulk-hogan-wrestlemania-18-a.html someone actually created a thread on this today tho
 
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