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Do Bruce & Keith Hart count as jobbers (LOL) at Survivor Series 1993? y / n ?

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#1 ·
Come Survivor Series 1993 I had watched WWF tv for almost 3 years; so I knew my jobbers. I thought these teams sucked @ SS 93 because they had a few jobbers on it and past teams never had jobbers on it, sure a few weakling men like Red Rooster or Skinner, but still roster wrestlers:

Team Hart x 2: Bruce, Keith (never heard of them, never saw them, they looked jobber-ish).
Team Lawler x 3: Three Knights was a stupid idea! Just an excuse for a low roster and insert 3 jobbers in the match. Boy did this match was bad and no King! Both teams ugh. Do you agree?

Team 4 Doinks - i was hoping for 4 doinks. Basically this is what I think would happen if Matt Borne stayed and WWE decided on 4 doinks - you got real doink Matt Borne, the 2nd doink since WM 9, and 2 jobbers dressed up as Doink III and Doink IV. So even more jobbers!

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Ugh why not just do a 3 on 3 jobber elim match here on the pre-show: 3 jobber fake doinks vs 3 jobber knights???!!! and a jobber hart member managing each side: Bruce's vs Keith's
 
#2 ·
I recall Michael’s was with the Knights and they pinned Owen.

Was the 4 Doinks match Mo and Mable and The Bushwhackers dressed as Doink who squashed Bam Bams team in seconds or the Kings midgets like Stinky and whatever they where called,
 
#7 ·
Well one of the 3 knights was an old washed up (& former lower midcarder) Greg the Hammer. He was a jobber that night as Knight # 2. Sure he lost, but still. However, you have a good point. They won.

I thought it was cute but also funny that these 2 other hart brothers that i never saw (keith n bruce) dressed up with Owen or Brets wrestling attire on. I know they all wanted to look good by blending together as 1 family unit. It be better if Lawler captained his team and had 3 real knights - like during the match each one gets his mask taken off only to be revealed as current or past heels: repo man, papa shango, skinner for instance... Or better yet former kings of WWF: King Haku or Don Muraco. Bring back one of them as the 3 knights.
 
#10 ·
Survivor Series was my favorite "Big 4" PPV concept (when KOTR became a PPV in 93 I also liked that one night tournament concept as much as SS.)

I loved the elimination style matches (I preferred the 5 vs 5 over the 4 vs 4) and the earlier SS were used to either start title match programs or further storylines and feuds.

I didn't like that they made some of the SS matches stupidly short, if you're doing a 4 vs 4 concept the match needs to go at least 20 minutes, 25 if you're doing 5 vs 5 but I digress.

The 93 SS was one of the weakest ones ever but it was still an ok show at the time and for what it was. I remember the biggest thing about that show was that none of the heel teams won.

As far as Bruce and Keith they WERE indie wrestlers so they had a small pedigree of ring action. I believe Keith was a school teacher and Bruce was a firefighter by profession (or it might have been the other way around.)
 
#12 ·
Survivor Series was my favorite "Big 4" PPV concept (when KOTR became a PPV in 93 I also liked that one night tournament concept as much as SS.)

I loved the elimination style matches (I preferred the 5 vs 5 over the 4 vs 4) and the earlier SS were used to either start title match programs or further storylines and feuds.
I've always hated survivor series if I'm being honest. I've only liked three ever that was 2000, where HHH got turned over by Austin in the forklift. 2001 were WWF was fighting against WCW/ECW. And 2002 with the elimination chamber the debut.

I've always generally hated 5 on 5 elimination matches or 5 on 5 tags and I'm glad they've replaced it with war games.
 
#11 ·
Yes kind of like how later on WWE phased out having most of Survivor Series matches (4 of them for example) into just 2 elimin matches of 5 on 5 or so and the rest singles matches. They did the same with my KOTR too! I loved KOTR 1993, 1994, and 1995 because it was 1 night only tournament and made it a must watch event. Then came KOTR 1996 and it didnt have much matches; lol; i was like huh???! Wonder why they never decreased the future royal rumbles back down into its original format of 20 men not 30?! Especially the royal rumbles where they had too many mexican "1 appearance" guys and a few old retired guys (Carlos Colon), and some boring japanese stars we didnt know much about. These rumbles could have been 20 men and u just throw out the 10 worst jobbers lol: RR 93, 95, 96.
 
#14 ·
Did you ever like WCW's Battlebowl tag team elimination lottery followed by a 20 man battle royal?
WW III was weird lol. But the first 2 years of it in 1995-96 or so just the concept of 60 men in 3 rings made it larger than life. I never saw them back then, but saw a couple WW 3's online years ago. I never thought of it at the time - WW3 was kinda close to the Royal Rumble in end of January. Theirs was late November; so only 2 months prior. I guess its better to be 2 months ahead of a Rumble instead of following a royal rumble....?
 
#16 ·
Oh! I really liked Battle Bowl! I liked the "random" matches that would come out of the Lethal Lottery and the 2-Ring Battle Royal concept was cool and innovative. If I read correctly, AEW might be trying to bring this back in the near future.

WW3 was....ok....I guess...there was too much to follow and 60 people in 3 rings was just ridiculous but they had some fun spots in some of them and when it got down to the nitty gritty it was more exciting. Not my favorite concept but was ok.

Yes, the Funk story was reported at the time in the PW Torch.

The Knights ended up being Greg Valentine, Barry Horowitz, and Jeff Gaylord…although there is some dispute whether that might have been a very young Glenn Jacobs.
Greg Valentine sticks out like a sore thumb with his somewhat odd body but the other 2 I had no idea until way later. Gaylord was an upper card SMW guy I think and that's probably why they made him look somewhat good.