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Discussion starter · #21 ·
Bottom line is that they made a mockery of Kane in the year that followed. 1999 was a crappy and at sometimes embarrassing year for Kane
 
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Attitude 3:16 said:
Bottom line is that they made a mockery of Kane in the year that followed. 1999 was a crappy and at sometimes embarrassing year for Kane
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99 sucked all together IMO. Worst year in the attitude era
 
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Attitude 3:16 said:
See what your saying, but I don't agree with about SS 99 cos he jobbed to mankind and Hunter didn't deserve to beat Austin at the time.
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You cant be serious fpalm

If WWE has plans to make someone a legit top guy why shouldnt they get there run started on a good note by beating a the top man? Thats like saying Brock didnt deserve to go over on Rocky. SC jobbed to Mankind? Yea only cuz he refused to lose to Hunter, and Foley got buried bigtime when he lost it the very next night on Raw. That one night buried two people in a horrendous way and you fanboys make excuses for Steve smh.

xdoomsayerx said:
99 sucked all together IMO. Worst year in the attitude era
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WHAT? 1999 was my favorite by far. You had face Steve running wild, then corporate Rocky then the best version of face Rock. That year was badass
 
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Icon_Vs_Icon said:
You cant be serious fpalm

If WWE has plans to make someone a legit top guy why shouldnt they get there run started on a good note by beating a the top man? Thats like saying Brock didnt deserve to go over on Rocky. SC jobbed to Mankind? Yea only cuz he refused to lose to Hunter, and Foley got buried bigtime when he lost it the very next night on Raw. That one night buried two people in a horrendous way and you fanboys make excuses for Steve smh.



WHAT? 1999 was my favorite by far. You had face Steve running wild, then corporate Rocky then the best version of face Rock. That year was badass
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Match quality was fucking Awful, McMahon won the rumble, wrestlemania sucked that year. Didn't care for it one bit. And minestry undertaker sucked
 
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Icon_Vs_Icon said:
You cant be serious fpalm

If WWE has plans to make someone a legit top guy why shouldnt they get there run started on a good note by beating a the top man? Thats like saying Brock didnt deserve to go over on Rocky. SC jobbed to Mankind? Yea only cuz he refused to lose to Hunter, and Foley got buried bigtime when he lost it the very next night on Raw. That one night buried two people in a horrendous way and you fanboys make excuses for Steve smh.
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No. It was that Jesse Ventura got a lot of criticism for being in the event, so they decided that he should raise the hand of a face wrestler.

xdoomsayerx said:
Match quality was fucking Awful, McMahon won the rumble, wrestlemania sucked that year. Didn't care for it one bit. And minestry undertaker sucked
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Yeah, but it's more about personal taste.

I liked Undertaker that year, I liked the PPVs and while the matches were bad, I liked the angle.

It's all about personal taste, and there's no deny that while controversial, Attitude sold back then.
 
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Icon_Vs_Icon said:
You cant be serious fpalm

If WWE has plans to make someone a legit top guy why shouldnt they get there run started on a good note by beating a the top man? Thats like saying Brock didnt deserve to go over on Rocky. SC jobbed to Mankind? Yea only cuz he refused to lose to Hunter, and Foley got buried bigtime when he lost it the very next night on Raw. That one night buried two people in a horrendous way and you fanboys make excuses for Steve smh.



WHAT? 1999 was my favorite by far. You had face Steve running wild, then corporate Rocky then the best version of face Rock. That year was badass
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It was to early for HHH to be at the top. It felt forced and no one took him seriously until 2000. At the end of the day Austin was pinned by Foley out of respect and friendship, Trips wasn't respected that much at the time because of his bitching & moaning.

Foley dropping the belt the next night was a disgrace but that's not Austin's fault. It could of been handled better by Vince. Not making excuses for Austin at all.

As for 99, it was great in parts like most of the first quarter but Mania was poor! The Corporate Ministry was a mess and around the time of Owen's death was a flat period. That's my opinion anyway.
 
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I'm amazed this thread can exist without someone posting this smiley yet....

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If I recall correctly, they'd more or less booked themselves into a corner - not just with First Blood and Kane, but with a 'Kane must set himself on fire if he loses' stipulation. So with no sensible way out, they just gave Kane the win and booked him to lose the very next night.

Similar to Ryback/Punk last year, I suppose - no way to book their way out without damaging somebody's momentum at the end of it all.
 
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xdoomsayerx said:
Match quality was fucking Awful, McMahon won the rumble, wrestlemania sucked that year. Didn't care for it one bit. And minestry undertaker sucked
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Ministry Undertaker was awesome. It's one of the things that got me into wrestling, it's just that the Corporate Ministry ruined the angle.

'99 was awesome. You had SCSA in his last real prime run. Corporate Rock. The Ministry. The Rock 'n' Sock Connection. The emergence of Stefanie McMahon before she became an awful creative exec. Mick Foley's WWF titles reigns. The best I Quit match, the type of which will never be seen again. That hilarious Empty Arena match between The Rock and Mankind. Chris Jericho's debut and huuuge pop. The Big Show's debut back before he was the Big Slow. The Rock absolutely destroying Billy Gunn in one of the best promos of the entire Attitude Era.The culmination of the Austin vs. McMahon feud. The developing of HHH into a top level heel, ending in exiling Vince and laying the ground work for an amazingly good RR2000 main event. The first ladder match between the Hardyz and E/C. An utterly ridiculous in the best possibly way Good Housekeeping Match, a good mini feud between Big Slow/Undertaker and the Rock 'n' Sock, AL!?! WHO THE HELL IS AAAAL!?!? etc.

The second half of the year was definitely weaker especially HHH's first reign and the Big Show's reign but there's no way you can call that a weak year. It craps all over the best of any year since about 2003.
 
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Senor Ding Dong said:
Ministry Undertaker was awesome. It's one of the things that got me into wrestling, it's just that the Corporate Ministry ruined the angle.

'99 was awesome. You had SCSA in his last real prime run. Corporate Rock. The Ministry. The Rock 'n' Sock Connection. The emergence of Stefanie McMahon before she became an awful creative exec. Mick Foley's WWF titles reigns. The best I Quit match, the type of which will never be seen again. That hilarious Empty Arena match between The Rock and Mankind. Chris Jericho's debut and huuuge pop. The Big Show's debut back before he was the Big Slow. The Rock absolutely destroying Billy Gunn in one of the best promos of the entire Attitude Era.The culmination of the Austin vs. McMahon feud. The developing of HHH into a top level heel, ending in exiling Vince and laying the ground work for an amazingly good RR2000 main event. The first ladder match between the Hardyz and E/C. An utterly ridiculous in the best possibly way Good Housekeeping Match, a good mini feud between Big Slow/Undertaker and the Rock 'n' Sock, AL!?! WHO THE HELL IS AAAAL!?!? etc.

The second half of the year was definitely weaker especially HHH's first reign and the Big Show's reign but there's no way you can call that a weak year. It craps all over the best of any year since about 2003.
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Well when you put it like that then it sounds amazing and all those moments were great but there was just as many underwhelming weeks of entertainment so I would say 50/50 IMO
 
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Marrow said:
If I recall correctly, they'd more or less booked themselves into a corner - not just with First Blood and Kane, but with a 'Kane must set himself on fire if he loses' stipulation. So with no sensible way out, they just gave Kane the win and booked him to lose the very next night.

Similar to Ryback/Punk last year, I suppose - no way to book their way out without damaging somebody's momentum at the end of it all.
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Only that they planned Kane to win this at 1998.

Think about it: You're a fan. Wouldn't you buy a PPV where you know Austin can't win?

Everyone knew that if Austin can't win, then SOMETHING will happen because it's not like he was going to let McMahon get the last laugh either. So it worked in that way.
 
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1999 was great. I felt though it went down hill between Nov-Dec when Austin took time off in November in that year and it was Foley that stopped the decline for me in January
 
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Yosihait said:
No. It was that Jesse Ventura got a lot of criticism for being in the event, so they decided that he should raise the hand of a face wrestler.
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What a load of bull, Venture raising a hated mans hand would only put more heat on Hunters heel run. The excuses for Austin are always funny :lmao

Attitude 3:16 said:
It was to early for HHH to be at the top. It felt forced and no one took him seriously until 2000. At the end of the day Austin was pinned by Foley out of respect and friendship, Trips wasn't respected that much at the time because of his bitching & moaning.

Foley dropping the belt the next night was a disgrace but that's not Austin's fault. It could of been handled better by Vince. Not making excuses for Austin at all.
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Yeah i get it nothing is ever Austins fault. What about him flat out refusing to do any jobs to Rocky from 1997-2002? He refused to drop the IC belt to him late 1997 so they had to come up with that stupid storyline in which he buried Rocky in the process and again at Survivor Series 1998. I cant wait to read the excuses even though the facts and logic prove im right
 
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Icon_Vs_Icon said:
What a load of bull, Venture raising a hated mans hand would only put more heat on Hunters heel run. The excuses for Austin are always funny :lmao



Yeah i get it nothing is ever Austins fault. What about him flat out refusing to do any jobs to Rocky from 1997-2002? He refused to drop the IC belt to him late 1997 so they had to come up with that stupid storyline in which he buried Rocky in the process and again at Survivor Series 1998. I cant wait to read the excuses even though the facts and logic prove im right
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Em he jobbed to him at SS in 2001....Also, do you seriously expect the future Royal Rumble winner and WWF champion to get beat for an intercontinental title by a mid carder in the run up to Wrestlemania and have him look weak??...Good job you're not a booker then

Also, Foley got a clean win over Austin for the title...Way it should be! He deserved it a lot more then HHH
 
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Sho'nuff said:
I always questioned why Kane won the title at KOTR in the first place. IMO, that incident somewhat made Kane look inferior to Austin, considering everything it took for Kane to win the belt and how little it took for Austin to get it back.
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It made Austin look seriously strong anyways. But Kane winning the title was stupid to begin with! But fuck it, it was entertaining and thats all that matters
 
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Yosihait said:
I don't think so, I think it was the plan.

The first blood stipulation was there to attrect buys.
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Yeah in hindsight, but at the time people were confused with the finish online. I can't remember if this match happened before Hogan/Goldberg or after or the company knew Hogan/Goldberg was going to happen.

It will explain it perfectly as just being a counter to Hogan/Goldberg.

BTW, 1999 is one of the worst years creatively and match wise imo once Backlash is reached.
 
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