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JAROTO 10-08-2012 02:18 PM

Small guys as Main Eventers
 
I read sometime ago what Kevin Nash said about Benoit/Guerrero. I think it was disrespectful and it really made mad, but being honest he proved a point. The WMXX ending was awesome, one of the most special moments in WWE history (In spite of the Benoit stuff), but at the end of the day it didn't work as all of us would have wished. Benoit never became a draw...neither Guerrero. They were awesome performers, but they ended up being glorious mid-carders. It's great to have guys like them, main event once in a while, but it's hard to have them as the face of the company...unless they are extremely good looking or have an unbelievable charisma...like HBK.

Somehow I understand what the WWE has been doing with Cena and what they are trying to do with Sheamus and Ryback. The way I see it, I find really hard to have CM Punk or Daniel Bryan as the face of the WWE. They are not guys who would make a big impact at first sight and that's a very important thing in this business. My brother used to be a WWE fan years ago. One day I told him "Look, this is the new WWE guy." while Punk was entering the ring. He laughed, he thought I was joking, later on he watched his promo and a match and he said "ok, he isn't that bad, but if he is the new guy, I'm glad I stopped watching wrestling long time ago".

Don't get me wrong, I like Punk and Bryan more than Ryback and Sheamus, but in the eye of the whole world it would surely be better to have someone who would make a big impression and looks intimidating as the main guy. I mean, it's wrestling. Why would you have someone with a generic look and even shorter than the average as the face of your company? time has proved that at least in wrestling...size matters.

What I find strange is how hard it's to find big guys with a cool personality nowdays. Everyday that passes I appreciate guys like Hogan and the Rock even more than I used to.

Patrick Bateman 10-08-2012 02:21 PM

Re: Small guys as Main Eventers.
 
Vanilla midgets can't draw.

Asenath 10-08-2012 02:33 PM

Re: Small guys as Main Eventers.
 
I think this "Small guys don't draw," thing is a bit of a farce. Looking back in the day, neither Michaels nor Hart were huge guys. On the other side, Sting in the WCW days didn't seem to stand any taller than Punk even though he was billed as larger.

Sure, bring out the roided out circus freaks to draw attention, but the paragons of performance have always been smaller and faster and more nimble than grotesque. And just personally, I'd rather watch 20 minutes of Benoit/Guerrero/Malenko, 60 minutes of prime HBK/Hart, or even Punk and Daniel Bryan than a fingerpoke of doom between Hogan and Nash or a shambling Khali or snorting Ryback or (as I used to call him back in the day) Goldbore.

Choke2Death 10-08-2012 02:38 PM

Re: Small guys as Main Eventers.
 
I don't know if small guys can make it big as face of the company, but if they have the talent of the Benoit's, Guerrero's and Jericho's, they fully deserve to alter between main eventing and being upper-midcarder. The reason Benoit and Guerrero didn't become big draws is because they were not really given a chance. They both had the title for about 4, 5 months then never won it again, Benoit specially never even challenged for the title again after the Elimination Chamber in 2005. Oh, and Benoit was never face of the company material. He was not much of a talker which you need to be to represent a company for extended periods. He did well as champion despite the spotlight still being on HHH but WWE did use him well in a way except he should have gotten more main event opportunities after his title reign.

Then there's a guy like Rey Mysterio, who with all due respect is just not cut for being a "World Heavyweight Champion".

Loudness 10-08-2012 02:42 PM

Re: Small guys as Main Eventers.
 
Characters and booking are way more important, this also includes in-ring booking, or maybe moreso ring-psychology. If you ask a random guy from the streets if he would rather cheer a weak pansy that somehow wins by luck or an agressive freak of nature that steamrolls through his enemies like a badass you wouldn't have many telling you that they prefer the small guy. Now, in WWE, instead of booking their wrestlers like, let's say AJ or A Double aka two smaller guys who can still brawl with the big ones, and land serious hits with their technical or highflying moves and thus win believeably in a dominant fashion. Instead, they book most smaller guys as weaker, less resilient guys whose moves also deal less damage with their moves than their bigger counterparts, while the speed and technique advandtage doesn't get presented that much better to even it out, thus resulting in most smaller guys winning by luckily hitting their finishers, or winning by cheating.

I assure you that a 5'8" guy booked like a beast or badass will get enough attention from the general public, maybe even more than their bigger counterparts in the beginning due to the novelty effect of having a small badass. Of course, as I mentioned, the ring psychology and ring style has to fit to make it work, but storytelling in general is very superficial and restricted nowadays for the most part.

SandyRavage 10-08-2012 02:48 PM

Re: Small guys as Main Eventers.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Asenath (Post 12107477)
I think this "Small guys don't draw," thing is a bit of a farce. Looking back in the day, neither Michaels nor Hart were huge guys. On the other side, Sting in the WCW days didn't seem to stand any taller than Punk even though he was billed as larger.

Sure, bring out the roided out circus freaks to draw attention, but the paragons of performance have always been smaller and faster and more nimble than grotesque. And just personally, I'd rather watch 20 minutes of Benoit/Guerrero/Malenko, 60 minutes of prime HBK/Hart, or even Punk and Daniel Bryan than a fingerpoke of doom between Hogan and Nash or a shambling Khali or snorting Ryback or (as I used to call him back in the day) Goldbore.

Michaels is 6'2 and Sting was a roided out body builder.

Jatt Kidd 10-08-2012 02:50 PM

Re: Small guys as Main Eventers.
 
I don't care if a stripper has B cups or Double D tits, entertain me...just entertain me and you'll draw my money.

SandyRavage 10-08-2012 02:52 PM

Re: Small guys as Main Eventers.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jatt Kidd (Post 12107535)
I don't care if a stripper has B cups or Double D tits, entertain me...just entertain me and you'll draw my money.

well said, don't get peoples obsession with drawing. If it entertains you who cares what other people think

Cliffy Byro 10-08-2012 02:53 PM

Re: Small guys as Main Eventers.
 
i have no problem with one or two small main eventers, just don't have your company dominated by them.

Variety and all that.

neolunar 10-08-2012 02:56 PM

Re: Small guys as Main Eventers.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Asenath (Post 12107477)
I think this "Small guys don't draw," thing is a bit of a farce. Looking back in the day, neither Michaels nor Hart were huge guys.

As far as I know, neither of the two drew shit.
Hart was big in Europe and Canada, but at the time he became "the guy", company was well on decline following succesfull Hogan era. Things got even worse in '96/mid'97 with Michaels on (and off) the top until Austin pretty much pissed on both of their reigns as "the guy".


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