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Greninja is a FROG NINJA! You can't get any cooler than that.
The frill-like spikes on his head are a nice reference to horned toads (even though they're not actually toads), but they went overboard with how big they are. Couple that with a random vestigial tail, the webbing on his head being a different color from his hand and feet webbings, and his pupils being pink for whatever reason and you've got, in my opinion, an 8.25/10 for his design.



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The frill-like spikes on his head are a nice reference to horned toads (even though they're not actually toads), but they went overboard with how big they are. Couple that with a random vestigial tail, the webbing on his head being a different color from his hand and feet webbings, and his pupils being pink for whatever reason and you've got, in my opinion, an 8.25/10 for his design.
Oh come on, you're just nitpicking now

If normal Greninja is just a "8.25/10" to you, then what's your grade for Sobble's final form, a 9/10?

What about shiny Greninja?

To me, Sobble's final form is more like a 5/10 and that five is mostly because I like lizards. Everything else about its design just looks weird and meh. I also hate how thin it looks, like any pokemon in existence can beat its ass. Another reason for the hate is because I had different and high expectations for Sobble's second and third form (like a big lizard or something) and the leaks pretty much ruined it.

Imo, Sobble's final form is up there with Delphox, Emboar and Chesnaught when it comes to awful final stage starter designs.
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Oh come on, you're just nitpicking now

If normal Greninja is just a "8.25/10" to you, then what's your grade for Sobble's final form, a 9/10?

What about shiny Greninja?

To me, Sobble's final form is more like a 5/10 and that five is mostly because I like lizards. Everything else about its design just looks weird and meh. I also hate how thin it looks, like any pokemon in existence can beat its ass. Another reason for the hate is because I had different and high expectations for Sobble's second and third form (like a big lizard or something) and the leaks pretty much ruined it.

Imo, Sobble's final form is up there with Delphox, Emboar and Chesnaught when it comes to awful final stage starter designs.
Yeah, that score sounds about right in my book. But now that I've mulled it over, I think an 8.5/10 is a more appropriate score for Greninja. That being said, he has one of the GOAT shiny colorations, to the point of being a 9.5/10.

The reason why Sobble's final evo is a 9/10 in my book is because its primary design flaw is, like you mentioned, being too thin. That being said, everything else about him looks slick as fuck and right on point. I also love how he succeeded the Snivy line by exuding an air of confidence / smugness (especially since he's come a long way from being an anxiety-ridden underdog as Sobble ).

Disappointed you mentioned those three in particular, since I love them. That being said, I concede that Emboar's design is in the awkward spot between Infernape's design of having just the right amount of details without going overboard, and Emploeon's design of having too much unnecessary shit going on. Ultimately, Emboar wound up being my favorite Unova starter because of:

- Pignite edging out Dewott and Servine in regard to charm
- My love for piggies
- How he reminded me of Ganondorf's Beast Ganon form
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Sobble's evo line is really growing on me - very different & lots of personality. Scorbunny is still my main though. So cool. So yeah..Scorbunny will definitely be my first choice on the first run and Sobble will be second run if I even do a second run.

If Goe in the anime has a Scorbunny, I'm hoping Ash gets a Sobble. Mainly because that would be a dope duo and because last series Ash had a Rowlet grass pokemon and we know he's not getting a Scorbunny so it would be nice to freshen things up. Maybe he'll get both Sobble & Grookey like in S&M he had a Rowlet and Litten. I don't know if anyone here gives AF about the anime lol!

Spoiler for As for Grookey...:
I'm still having a hard time liking this evo line. I really liked Grookey when the trailers first came out. It was Grookey, Scorbunny, Sobble for me. Then quickly after that, Scorbunny took the lead for me. Now it's Scorbunny, Sobble, Grookey. I like Grookey but the middle evolution just seems...meh to me..and I'm not feeling the final evolution at all. I don't like any mon with an "item" seems so gimmicky to me. It would have been cooler if they incorporated the "drum" into his chest. This could have been better IMO.

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Yeah, that score sounds about right in my book. But now that I've mulled it over, I think an 8.5/10 is a more appropriate score for Greninja. That being said, he has one of the GOAT shiny colorations, to the point of being a 9.5/10.

The reason why Sobble's final evo is a 9/10 in my book is because its primary design flaw is, like you mentioned, being too thin. That being said, everything else about him looks slick as fuck and right on point. I also love how he succeeded the Snivy line by exuding an air of confidence / smugness (especially since he's come a long way from being an anxiety-ridden underdog as Sobble ).

Disappointed you mentioned those three in particular, since I love them. That being said, I concede that Emboar's design is in the awkward spot between Infernape's design of having just the right amount of details without going overboard, and Emploeon's design of having too much unnecessary shit going on. Ultimately, Emboar wound up being my favorite Unova starter because of:

- Pignite edging out Dewott and Servine in regard to charm
- My love for piggies
- How he reminded me of Ganondorf's Beast Ganon form
Even though I don't agree with that assessment at all, I'll accept it for now

Yeah, I might've been a little harsh with that comparison

Delphox's first two forms are great in my opinion, it's just that the final form kind of killed it for me. They could have made a really great fox on four legs that has psychic powers and.....then they butchered it.

Chespin was okay but its last two forms were just tragic and ruined what could have been a cool grass knight pokemon.

Emboar and its line is at the bottom of the barrel as far as starter designs go and it truly sucks that they ruined him. Even though I hated the entire line, I still chose Tepig as my Unova starter since he was still better than the other two (stats and type wise).
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Even though I don't agree with that assessment at all, I'll accept it for now

Yeah, I might've been a little harsh with that comparison

Delphox's first two forms are great in my opinion, it's just that the final form kind of killed it for me. They could have made a really great fox on four legs that has psychic powers and.....then they butchered it.

Chespin was okay but its last two forms were just tragic and ruined what could have been a cool grass knight pokemon.

Emboar and its line is at the bottom of the barrel as far as starter designs go and it truly sucks that they ruined him. Even though I hated the entire line, I still chose Tepig as my Unova starter since he was still better than the other two (stats and type wise).


The thing about Delphox is that if she wound up being a quadruped like Fennekin, she just would've been Ninetales with extra steps.

Chesnaught's typing, stats and moveset definitely made it worth the effort to get Chespin past the awkward teenage phase known as Quilladin. That being said, Quilladin is definitely a goofy-ass dork, but that's part of his charm in my book, with the other part being how he's a chonk-ass boi.

As for Emboar, his design definitely has some wonky shit going on:

- Chest and upper arms are a different shade of orange compared to his waist and upper legs because reasons

- A tail that is long and outstretched instead of coiled like an actual pig's

- "Boot" patterns on his feet having jagged edges instead of straight edges like the "glove" patterns on his forearms

That being said, these aspects are pretty harmless like the design flaws that I personally view with Greninja's design.



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The thing about Delphox is that if she wound up being a quadruped like Fennekin, she just would've been Ninetales with extra steps.
True, but it still would have been nice to see.

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Chesnaught's typing, stats and moveset definitely made it worth the effort to get Chespin past the awkward teenage phase known as Quilladin. That being said, Quilladin is definitely a goofy-ass dork, but that's part of his charm in my book, with the other part being how he's a chonk-ass boi.
Not really.

The grass typing hurts it along with its terrible design.

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As for Emboar, his design definitely has some wonky shit going on:

- Chest and upper arms are a different shade of orange compared to his waist and upper legs because reasons

- A tail that is long and outstretched instead of coiled like an actual pig's

- "Boot" patterns on his feet having jagged edges instead of straight edges like the "glove" patterns on his forearms
I don't hate Emboar for any of those reasons (that would be nitpicking ), I just feel like the entire concept of having a pokemon being based on a pig was doomed to fail from the very beginning. They tried to make it work and it completely spiraled out of control. The design that we eventually got is the end result of that shit.

The last thing that I hate about it is its typing...Like really GF?? You thought the best course of action was to make another fire/fighting type starter for the third generation in a row?

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True, but it still would have been nice to see.



Not really.

The grass typing hurts it along with its terrible design.



I don't hate Emboar for any of those reasons (that would be nitpicking ), I just feel like the entire concept of having a pokemon being based on a pig was doomed to fail from the very beginning. They tried to make it work and it completely spiraled out of control. The design that we eventually got is the end result of that shit.

The last thing that I hate about it is its typing...Like really GF?? You thought the best course of action was to make another fire/fighting type starter for the third generation in a row?

GOAT Greninja!!



If the leaks are anything to go by, we're gonna get Swiper from Dora as a Pokemon, so at least that's one great way to bring in more foxes.

Grass/Fighting is actually a pretty solid typing defensively. Although it has a glaring weakness to Flying types, any remotely savvy player knows to switch out when necessary. Couple this typing with Chesnaught's great defense stat, pretty good attack stat, overall good bulk and solid moveset and he's a great tank that also packs a decent amount of power.

Design-wise, my only gripes with Chesnaught are his helmet and "mummy bandage"-styled armor.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Emboar's design, although it was indeed asinine to make him the third fully evolved Fire/Fighting type starter in a row.

And as much as I love the Smash series, I'm really dumbfounded that they haven't properly put in shiny Greninja as an alternate costume, even though they did so when it comes to shiny Incineroar.
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I don't know if I'm really late to the party and I don't even know if this is an actual leak or concept art but I found it with a bunch of other leaks so I'm guessing its a real leak...but check out this pose of Sobble's final evo.

Spoiler for SPOILER - Sobble Final Evo:
https://daily.pokecommunity.com/2019/11/01/unconfirmed-several-pokemon-from-sword-and-shield-leaked/

Scroll down a bit to the auto gallery, you can use the arrows to quickly go to Intelleon. HE LOOKS WAY COOLER THERE!

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