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Re: Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice (March 22nd, 2019) - "its nothing like a souls game"

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I looked up a walkthrough to properly explain it but I don't know what the fuck I've done because this guy's health bar is much bigger than mine (and I've killed every miniboss I've seen) and he's somewhere I've never been. I don't know what the depths are either nor have I been given any rice. What a trainwreck of a playthrough I must be doing. Have you been to the swampy bit? that's where I'm fighting the ape. Have you reached the Gun Fort, too? The centipede guy and the snake eyes cunt I fought were both there. I thiiiiiiink I first got there through some weird shortcut I found near where the Seven Spears guy was? Man I'm so lost I'm not even sure. Did you talk with Kuro in the library (after the Genichiro fight) to get the Gun Fort Shrine Key?
I spoke with Kuro directly after the Genichiro fight, in his room, at which point he told me to go run along the rooftops to find Ishiin somewhere. I have no idea if he gave me anything, though.

Forget that nonsense about the rice. I bought it for 1600 from a merchant and it appears to be a stupidly expensive prism stone that doesn't have anything to do with the daft old ladie who was going on about the fucking rice in the first place. She also now has Dragonrot so maybe she should stop being so cryptic.

I fought the snake eyes guy with the gun/spear thing in an area called the Poison Pool which of course was full of poison gunk and a handful of other fucks with guns and cannons and shit. I'm sure that was in the Ashina Depths. I actually came across a mini-boss when I was playing there called Long Arm Centipede Sen-Un who tries to slash you to pieces so you need to hammer L1, but that wasn't at a gun fort (I was also getting murdered so I cut and ran because no way was I losing almost 2000 sen at that point. I'll go back to him tomorrow). It was just down the hill from the Main Hall area of Senpou Temple.

Fuck knows what the hell is going on at this point or even where I am or what I should be doing man I love this stupid game.
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Re: Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice (March 22nd, 2019) - "its nothing like a souls game"

Guardian Ape tip, treat ALL large enemies without weapons as Souls bosses (be aggressive, stay behind, attack legs)

...treat all enemies with weapons as Sekiro bosses, deflect, run around, kite attacks, punish openings, and RUN AROUND.

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Re: Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice (March 22nd, 2019) - "its nothing like a souls game"

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Have a feeling Isshin is going to be the bane of my existence. Already finding him super tough .


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I spoke with Kuro directly after the Genichiro fight, in his room, at which point he told me to go run along the rooftops to find Ishiin somewhere. I have no idea if he gave me anything, though.

Forget that nonsense about the rice. I bought it for 1600 from a merchant and it appears to be a stupidly expensive prism stone that doesn't have anything to do with the daft old ladie who was going on about the fucking rice in the first place. She also now has Dragonrot so maybe she should stop being so cryptic.

I fought the snake eyes guy with the gun/spear thing in an area called the Poison Pool which of course was full of poison gunk and a handful of other fucks with guns and cannons and shit. I'm sure that was in the Ashina Depths. I actually came across a mini-boss when I was playing there called Long Arm Centipede Sen-Un who tries to slash you to pieces so you need to hammer L1, but that wasn't at a gun fort (I was also getting murdered so I cut and ran because no way was I losing almost 2000 sen at that point. I'll go back to him tomorrow). It was just down the hill from the Main Hall area of Senpou Temple.

Fuck knows what the hell is going on at this point or even where I am or what I should be doing man I love this stupid game.
I think you get the key after you talk to Isshin (from Kuro). If you don't know where Isshin is just follow the purple smoke thingys on the rooftops IIRC. Then yeah head back to Kuro's room (which I just learned is an "important place" in the bonfire warp menu....so that's cool).

Turns out I'd missed the entrance the abandoned dungeon, probably as a result of "oh I'll check that out later", am there now. The vendor had a fuckin prayer bead for sale, holy shit. I found some pit that has this thingy covered in purple smoke and I'm just gonna skip by that right now if I can. I guess I'm on my way to Senpou?

There's another snake eyes? Oh goddamn it I hated that guy a lot. I didn't know there was a second centipede thing either but the one I did was really easy even in the tight room.

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Guardian Ape tip, treat ALL large enemies without weapons as Souls bosses (be aggressive, stay behind, attack legs)

...treat all enemies with weapons as Sekiro bosses, deflect, run around, kite attacks, punish openings, and RUN AROUND.
Did just that with Ape's 2nd form. Well, sort of, I acted much cuntier than I normally would. Took me forever but I baited out this one attack and punished it lightly until he was done. I really wanted to win because I had an incredible run with the first form where I only used one heal and successfully blocked most of everything really well. Didn't want that to go to waste.

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Re: Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice (March 22nd, 2019) - "its nothing like a souls game"

Made it to the Sunken Valley and yes, Jheri, it turns out there are indeed two Snake Eyes. And two of the centipede guys. The metal fan prosthetic tool helps quite a bit with both of those fights, especially the centipede guy because you can just obliterate his posture and hit him with two deathblows without actually hitting any other offensive move the entire fight. With that Snake Eyes fucker I also used an upgraded Sabimaru in the first phase and hey, it turns out she's weak as fuck to poison. Second phase I whipped out the fan as soon as she tried to shoot me or do the grab attack and who said a good old bit of turtling couldn't work in this game after all? The gun fort was a fucking drag initially because I was getting shot from eeeeverywhere so instead I just sprinted past them all and found an idol, then worked my way back out and fucking ninjad everyone as I picked up the loot. Still love how the game gives you a bunch of options for approaching difficult encounters, and I also like how all of those prosthetic tools feel like they have genuine uses for different fights. Fighting something that hops around a lot, fling some shuriken. Some folk with shields, use the axe. Need to stun something briefly, use the firecracker. Want to do some damage while cutting and running like a COWARD, there's a poison blade. Getting shot at with fucking bazookas and cannons from all angles, turtle like a bastard under your fan shield. Happy days.

I made it to the point with the Guardian Ape. I haven't attempted it yet but I can literally see the thing from the idol and I'm sort of terrified but also kind of excited about it. I imagine I'll get the shit kicked out of me a couple dozen times but I don't see it being as straight up annoying as those see no/hear no/speak no evil monkeys from Senpou. Shower of bastards. Turns out I also hadn't done everything I thought there was to do in the hidden forest because I fell down into a deeper part and got murdered by a pack of dogs and one of the lone shadow purple bros. I'll unfuck THAT situation at a later date.
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I don't even have this fan shield, I hope I'm on the path to get it. I don't know what the hidden forest is either.

I didn't even see the ape from the idol tbh. I just took the other direction and hit a dead end so I went "I'll go here now" and the boss health showed up when I was sneaking around. Probably should have gathered it was a boss based on the large arena.

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I doubt I'm going to complete the game as I'm so terrible at the final boss. Tried multiple times and can't even get through the 1st real phase. It was fun guys .


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Beating the Guardian Ape on the first attempt is probably my one and only decent achievement in my long and pitiful experience of getting the everloving dogshit kicked out of me by bosses in FromSoft games. I went in fully expecting to need half a dozen runs at it minimum, but then I got into its second phase and baited that attack where he does the sliding slash and also the combo where you can parry the downward slash to stun him for a few seconds. I had no healing gourd left, no pellets, used my rice and even popped a Divine Grass but I managed it. Finding the finger whistle in its belly after hearing the sculptor's story about his old shinobi friend was cool as fuck, too. Nobody throws in awesome little bits of lore like yer pals at FromSoft.

Also dicked around and killed a Headless (I'm assuming thetr are several of these things because I've run across two of them now) , that other terror-flinging bastard in the Abandoned Dungeon (who's completely laughable if you have the Anti-air Deathblow skill), and did another part with the snake where I possessed a fucking monkey so it could distract the snake and I could zip across a ravine and into a house (where I found snake viscera which...I mean I'll be fucked if I know what that's for but I assume it's important).

I'll probably go kill another Headless before taking all the shit I procured to Kuro. I'm also pretty sure there's a boss arena after the Poison Pool idol in the depths but nothing seems to happen when I go. Absolutely no chance they give you a big open space with blood stains all over the floor just for you to casually stroll through unopposed all game.
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Spoiler for FINAL UPDATE - Playthrough #1:


* Beat True Corrupted Monk either the evening of the same day or the following day, I can't remember now considering what happened at the end of this 1st playthrough. I honestly played terribly after the 1st few attempts where I already had gotten to the 3rd deathblow but I managed to pull out a good run to get this boss down. It's not a terribly difficult boss by any means but it is a damn good one. Really good attack patterns, well defined phases and a number of different openings to exploit or methods for you to be punished if you aren't careful. Loved this boss

* Next was to explore the FountainHead Palace area proper and my god is it beautiful, nice open water, gorgeous blossom trees and of course plenty of buildings, bridges etc to jump and grappling hook across. The first part of the area is pretty much easy to get across. The 2nd part though....fuck me, those god damn eel like enemies and the enfeebled condition is a pain in the ass. Thankfully if you sneak round the right route you can take care of them, get to the next idol and get all the loot. Tricky little area.

* There are a number of mini bosses in this area. 4 actually in total. There is one annoying little douchebag who lightnings you every time you are in the water once you get to the 3rd idol. There is a ways to travel and it's particularly tricky getting to the idol as there are a tonne of enemies literally right in front of it. But once you do you get to Okami Leader Shizu who honestly aside from a lightning attack which of course could catch you if you are not careful, this mini boss is a piece of cake and definitely one that is needed to be taken out to proceed in this area.

* Before that area to the right of the 3rd idol there is the Sakura Bull of the Palace which is essentially a beefed up Blazing Bull and he is a pretty hard challenge, he hits like a truck much like the 1st BB and will kill you quickly if you aren't careful. Once again, firecrackers are a must here.

* In the middle of the area, there is yet another Shichimen Warrior, my 3rd one out of 4. Not much more to be said about this one. The final mini boss however is again Headless but is a boss battle underwater! Not only that but you have to fight two of them and it is certainly imperative to take out the weaker one as fast you can as otherwise you will get overwhelmed. Interesting to have an underwater boss in this game. On a side note, there is plenty of loot to grab underwater as well so don't miss out on that!

* On your way to the last area of FountainHead Palace, you have to go underwater under a cliff and past a GIANT CARP that will eat you alive if you aren't quick enough. Pretty cool hazard though not as cool or scary as the serpent though. This leads up the stairs and to an altar you pray at to get to the divine realm where you face the Divine Dragon. The first phase is essentially a teaser where you beat up his little minions. Not in the slightest bit difficult. This leads to the main boss itself and damn if it is not the most aesthetically pleasing enemy in the game, it looks absolutely stunning.It is not however matched in difficulty though. Beat it on the 3rd time, honestly once you understand the mechanics of how it works it's not too difficult. It is however a very cool concept and one that is executed very well. I doubt it'll have lasting power but for this 1st playthrough I enjoyed it.

* I went back to both to Poison Pool and Hidden Forest to take out the final Headless and Shichimen Warrior. Not much else to say here.

* Once you take care of that you get teleported back to Kuro's room where Emma is sitting over a fallen and now dead Isshin. She tells you that Kuro is waiting for you by the secret passage. So once again, you have to fight through Ashina to get there. Right by the reservoir you have the mini boss Seven Ashina Spears - Shume Masaji Oniwa and motherfucker this is definitely in the running for hardest mini boss. Not only do you have to deal with him but a buddy of his too. Thankfully you can sneak up and stab the other guy using the puppeteer ninjustu which if all goes well can help to take out most of the mini boss's 1st health bar....and even then this enemy is tough as nails! I really had to learn how to fight this guy and it's not easy. If you make any mistake then he could end up taking off 3/4 of your health bar and on top of that, the area you fight in has fire all over it so if you aren't careful you'll get burnt too. It took me a couple of hours to get this down.

* But that was absolutely nothing compared to what was left. The final boss of this game which SPOILER ALERT is Isshin, The Sword Saint is without a doubt the hardest boss in the game that I've properly fought. It's not even close. It's also the best boss in the entire game and that's pretty much uncontested for me, it's an incredible fight and one of the best bosses From has ever produced. I will say that having to take down FOUR HEALTH BARS when including Genichiro again does feel slightly overkill but it certainly makes it one hell of a challenge.

Most people will find Genichiro the easiest phase but honestly this probably is just edged out by the next phase in this marathon, simply put: I'm not that good fighting him and whilst most of the time I could get him down easily, at times I'd get careless and lose at this stage. Consistency was my biggest enemy with this fight and it wasn't until tonight where I got a bit of consistency that I finally managed to do it. This phase isn't much different from the previous fight with this dude except adding the 2nd mortal blade attacks (YES HE HAS ANOTHER MORTAL BLADE) and the fact that his posture can be broken quicker and your posture can also be broken quicker.

The 1st phase of the real fight with Isshin ended up probably being the easiest once I learned the timings and moves. And it is a fantastic phase at that, fast paced at times though in terms of attack speed he varies, a lot of moves that can really hurt and punish if you if you aren't careful yet if you learn to dodge correctly or deflect/miraki counter at the right time you can do a lot of posture damage. As long as you are aggressive you can take down his posture bar very quickly. I've had fights where I've done both phases without using a single gourd so they are very doable phases.

Where this battle truly gets insane is the 3rd phase. Isshin now brings out a giant spear and a fucking gun. So you have this mad man coming at you with a sword, doing sweeps, jumping slams and thrust attacks with his spear all at lightning fast pace and to top it all off he also uses his gun at range and even at times at close distance. Now with this phase if you fight him properly there seems to be two camps of thought:

- Either keep at a mid distance and wait for him to come to read his movements and punish especially when he thrust attacks with the Miriki Counter or

- Stay aggressive, deflect as much as possible to build up his posture damage whilst looking out for the thrust attack.

I won by doing a mixture of the two but I found that if you are too conservative his posture meter recovers very quickly and whilst it's riskier, it's better to be a bit more aggressive and build up his posture. Honestly the longer the fight goes the easier it is to make mistakes and that happened a lot with me. This is an incredible phase and extremely difficult. The only complaint I have is sometimes the way Isshin moves around in this phase is borderline bullshit and unfair where he'll finish one attack and you are incredibly far away and you think you have enough time to heal only for him to come scorching down the map to interrupt your healing. But other than that, incredible phase.

The 3rd phase is like the 2nd but added with lightning strikes and a few extra attacks. It's slightly easier than the 2nd phase due to the lightning counter which does insane damage and posture damage but by this point normally I've spent so much in terms of healing and in terms of playing that my hands are shaking and am full of nerves. Not to mention I haven't gotten the lightning counter down fully. At one point I was so close to beating him and almost got the posture meter full when he launched a lighting strike.I should have played it safe and dodged but tried to counter it and it cost me the fight. I was so pissed and it took me another 10 tries or so before I finally did it.

But it's done. I honestly felt like in the last couple of evenings I had been playing I'd never get it done but honestly tonight it just clicked for me and I learned the boss a lot faster. Phase 2 despite being the hardest took the shortest amount of time to get the hang of and learn though it's the hardest to master and I beat the boss on about the 5th or 6th time I got to the 3rd phase so I didn't even need to learn it thoroughly in all honesty. No other boss in this game gave me as much shakes and the feeling of accomplishment you get with Souls like content.

* So I finished my 1st playthrough. I was thinking whether or not to properly try Demon of Hatred as well as the mini boss before getting to that area but decided against it as I honestly want to start another playthrough to do one where I honour the Iron Code to see what happens. I finished the playthrough thinking it would be like Bloodborne but it turns out it's more like DS3 and you can actually hold off going into NG+ which is awesome. So I can come back and try those bosses at a later date .

* Overall it took me about 61 Hours this playthrough with me going through a lot of the game thoroughly though I'm sure I've definitely missed a bunch of stuff. There are 4 endings to this game for crying out loud so I'm sure there's stuff I'll discover on preceding playthroughs. But for now I'll enjoy the fact that I've gotten one of the endings down .


I rushed writing this out once I finally beat the ending boss. I might write a final thoughts or review some other time .
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