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Spiderman (PS4) vs Arkham Knight (PS4) -- which game did it better?

Both games are very comparible, so I was wondering what the verdict was on this.



Both are fairly open-world, both are on a current gen system and both have a host of characters and storylines that remain faithful to it's lore.



I'm almost done completing Spiderman, so I figured that I'm somehwat qualified to chime in.


Atmosphere -- There's something so distinctive and fantastical about Gotham City, and Rocksteady have done a fine job immersing you into it. Spiderman is set in New York, and while the city looks fantastic, it doesn't share the same amount of charm that Gotham has. Gotham feels like it's own character, and evokes such a sense of morbid dread. Verdict Arkham


Graphics -- I don't think that it's arguable, Spiderman is the prettier game. There's a level of polish to the city that Arkham doesn't quite pull off. The night / day cycles add a great deal to the visual polish. Verdict Spiderman


World design -- Going with Arkham. While the graphical quality might take a hit, the actual design of the set-pieces look fantastic. Spiderman has a very "samey" look to a lot of it compared to Arkham. Verdict Arkham


Gameplay mechanics -- This one is tough. Arkham games pretty much popularised the rhymthic fighting mechanics and did it so well, but I feel like Spiderman expands on the system even further and offers more unique perks. The web-slinging mechanics is a no contest. FAR more fun than using the batrope. The Batmobile is cool, but poorly designed. The driving feels clunky as all hell. Verdict Spiderman


Story -- Again, tough. I'll say that it's a tie. Both have fantastically-told stories. Arkham goes in very bizarre places with it's story, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. Verdit Tie


Mission variety -- While Spiderman has redundant side missions, it doesn't quite suffer from the tediously forced Batmobile missions, or the forced stealth missions of Arkham. They both have their handful of interesting quests, but I felt like Spiderman did a better job at keeping things balanced while not forcing you into playstyles that get too old too fast. Arkham certainly has better side missions, though. Verdit Spiderman (main quests) and Arkham (side quests)



Cast of characters -- I'll say Batman, because I generally prefer the rogue of villains. There's a generous amount in Arkham Knight. Verdict Arkham


Upgradable gear -- Spiderman, and it's not even close. The game not only offers a ton of free suits, but also unique abilities and mods for each of them. In Arkham it's mostly aesthetics and mostly DLC. Verdict Spiderman


Pace -- Both games are very well paced with a decent completion time. I'll give this a tie. Vertict Tie


Soundtrack -- Felt like the Arkham game dropped the ball here. Batman movies are notorious for having great soundtracks, but this game's music just falls dead into the background. Spiderman's soundtrack isn't anything special, but it feels more lively. Verdict Spiderman



For me it's very tough. I'll say that both games are extremely close in quality, but Spiderman felt slightly less redundant due to not forcing me into unwanted gameplay mechanics. The game is also more fun when you're web-slinging across the city. Batman had better atmosphere and more interesting side missions with a better cast of characters. If I was forced to choose, I'd probably go with Spiderman, but I really don't know for sure.




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Spider-Man's the better game across the board imo, though I do think Arkham Knight is heavily underrated. No convoluted nonsense to explain why we only got a small portion of a city. Once you can swap out the tankmobile for an actual Batmobile the car side improves massively which also makes it feel like a Batman game instead of "flying fox simulator in Gotham." Great cast of villains, great portrayals and a much better story than Arkham City with the added bonus of a returning Mark Hamill as the Joker hallucinations. I seriously don't understand why people think Arkham City is the superior game at all if I'm honest. Given, Arkham Knight is at its very best with DLC and nowhere near as good without it. But still.

Spider-Man on the flip side might just be the best superhero game I've ever played. Stunning visuals, mechanically perfect, great story. I don't want to talk too much about it and I doubt I'll pay much attention to this thread as I don't want to see/give any potential spoilers tbh. I'll discuss it more in a couple months when it's no longer a new game and I'll have at least finished it. But regardless, I think my proclamation of best super-hero game I've ever played (at least in this genre) will stand.

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Spider-Man's the better game across the board imo, though I do think Arkham Knight is heavily underrated. No convoluted nonsense to explain why we only got a small portion of a city. Once you can swap out the tankmobile for an actual Batmobile the car side improves massively which also makes it feel like a Batman game instead of "flying fox simulator in Gotham." Great cast of villains, great portrayals and a much better story than Arkham City with the added bonus of a returning Mark Hamill as the Joker hallucinations. I seriously don't understand why people think Arkham City is the superior game at all if I'm honest. Given, Arkham Knight is at its very best with DLC and nowhere near as good without it. But still.

Spider-Man on the flip side might just be the best superhero game I've ever played. Stunning visuals, mechanically perfect, great story. I don't want to talk too much about it and I doubt I'll pay much attention to this thread as I don't want to see/give any potential spoilers tbh. I'll discuss it more in a couple months when it's no longer a new game and I'll have at least finished it. But regardless, I think my proclamation of best super-hero game I've ever played (at least in this genre) will stand.

I will admit; Using the 1989 batsuit and batmobile skins was a fucking fantastic feeling. Had the entire game been set in the Tim Burton verse, I'd probably still be playing it today.


They teased that world with the race tracks. It just made shit even more frustrating.
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I will admit; Using the 1989 batsuit and batmobile skins was a fucking fantastic feeling. Had the entire game been set in the Tim Burton verse, I'd probably still be playing it today.


They teased that world with the race tracks. It just made shit even more frustrating.
I still play it tbh. It's a great Batman simulator, and by far the best game for that they've ever made. I actually quite like using the campy 60's tv show Batman and Batmobile, just because it's so funny having such a cheesy version in a world that's quite clearly much darker and more modern
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Atmosphere -- There's something so distinctive and fantastical about Gotham City, and Rocksteady have done a fine job immersing you into it. Spiderman is set in New York, and while the city looks fantastic, it doesn't share the same amount of charm that Gotham has. Gotham feels like it's own character, and evokes such a sense of morbid dread. Verdict Arkham

I disagree. Gotham feels empty because it is. NYC in spiderman feels like a living breathing city. Also NYC in Spiderman is not supposed to feel like morbid dread, its supposed to feel like NYC and they nail that where as Gotham is a made up city so they could give its own charm.

I had way more fun in SM NYC than Arkham Gotham.


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Graphics -- I don't think that it's arguable, Spiderman is the prettier game. There's a level of polish to the city that Arkham doesn't quite pull off. The night / day cycles add a great deal to the visual polish. Verdict Spiderman

Yeah SM is one of the best looking games on PS4, and it's pretty much seamless going from cutscenes to gameplay.

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World design -- Going with Arkham. While the graphical quality might take a hit, the actual design of the set-pieces look fantastic. Spiderman has a very "samey" look to a lot of it compared to Arkham. Verdict Arkham


It's unfair to compare the two since SM is based on a real place NYC, where Arkham is, could make up whatever they wanted to. But id still give the nod to SM since seeing all the landmarks and marvel locations in the game is pretty awesome. Gotham was pretty boring to walk around in where as in SM, every few minutes are you like OMG that is the avengers tower, or OMG that is....fill in the blank....dont want to spoil the easteregg land marks.


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Gameplay mechanics -- This one is tough. Arkham games pretty much popularised the rhymthic fighting mechanics and did it so well, but I feel like Spiderman expands on the system even further and offers more unique perks. The web-slinging mechanics is a no contest. FAR more fun than using the batrope. The Batmobile is cool, but poorly designed. The driving feels clunky as all hell. Verdict Spiderman


This was easily a no-brainer for SM. SM improved upon the Arkham controls plus the style is well more suited for SM and in SM, you can actually get your ass handed to you if you dont pay attention where as with Batman you can easily fight by just hitting one button

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Story -- Again, tough. I'll say that it's a tie. Both have fantastically-told stories. Arkham goes in very bizarre places with it's story, but I thoroughly enjoyed it. Verdit Tie
I have not beaten the story yet in SM and I thought the last Arkham was crap so I didn't even finish the story.


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Mission variety -- While Spiderman has redundant side missions, it doesn't quite suffer from the tediously forced Batmobile missions, or the forced stealth missions of Arkham. They both have their handful of interesting quests, but I felt like Spiderman did a better job at keeping things balanced while not forcing you into playstyles that get too old too fast. Arkham certainly has better side missions, though. Verdit Spiderman (main quests) and Arkham (side quests)


For me its easily SM for both, the side missions are by far better in SM and way more varied. I can barely remember any of the side missions in Arkham. The joker ones were pretty cool but that is about it. In SM you have random peopel walking up to you on the street asking for help which is awesome. In SM you actualy feel like a friendly neighborhood spiderman because fo teh side quests. It Batman most of the side quests were forgettable.

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Cast of characters -- I'll say Batman, because I generally prefer the rogue of villains. There's a generous amount in Arkham Knight. Verdict Arkham


For two those games, I agree its probably batman arkham knight since spiderman is holding back a lot of their bigger rogues for future games.


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Upgradable gear -- Spiderman, and it's not even close. The game not only offers a ton of free suits, but also unique abilities and mods for each of them. In Arkham it's mostly aesthetics and mostly DLC. Verdict Spiderman


I agree SM and its not close. One thing I wish with the SM suits is that each had their own stats (like defense, power, speed etc), not just the one power you can put on each suit.


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Pace -- Both games are very well paced with a decent completion time. I'll give this a tie. Vertict Tie

Pacing is all how you play, but with Akrham Knight I found the game to be sooo boring where as I have so much more fun in batman. The batmobile parts ruined the game for me so much so, it made me quit.
Also being Peter in SM is pretty fun, I could do with out the MJ parts though.

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Soundtrack -- Felt like the Arkham game dropped the ball here. Batman movies are notorious for having great soundtracks, but this game's music just falls dead into the background. Spiderman's soundtrack isn't anything special, but it feels more lively. Verdict Spiderman



yeah SM soundtrack is very movie like, where as BM was pretty forgettable




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For me it's very tough. I'll say that both games are extremely close in quality, but Spiderman felt slightly less redundant due to not forcing me into unwanted gameplay mechanics. The game is also more fun when you're web-slinging across the city. Batman had better atmosphere and more interesting side missions with a better cast of characters. If I was forced to choose, I'd probably go with Spiderman, but I really don't know for sure.

For me it's not even close, SM is the best superhero game I have ever played, Arkham Knight was one of the worst. IMO the first Arkham game is way better than Arkham knight and stacks up much better against SM. SM is also great with their side quests because once you start to get bored with one of that style, you are finished with them and new types start to pop up.

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I still play it tbh. It's a great Batman simulator, and by far the best game for that they've ever made. I actually quite like using the campy 60's tv show Batman and Batmobile, just because it's so funny having such a cheesy version in a world that's quite clearly much darker and more modern

Yeah it's like the Spiderman skin from the 60s cartoon. Good for a laugh and kinda cool for it's nostalgic appeal.


Imagine if you could run around Gotham with that giant bomb



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Yeah it's like the Spiderman skin from the 60s cartoon. Good for a laugh and kinda cool for it's nostalgic appeal.


Imagine if you could run around Gotham with that giant bomb


Actually the one thing I think would "make" the 60's Batman skin would've been the "kapoww" "kerrr-ash" visual sound fx bubbles. I would've love that tbh. Still, I still don't understand how people can consider Arkham Asylum or City better "Batman" games. One you're stuck in a tiny ass location, the other you spend most of your time gliding around everywhere like a hang-glider simulator game. With all the DLC in Arkham Knight you actually get to be Batman, proper Batmobiles, big cast of villains all with their own different quests and themes, plenty of skins, plus everything you had in the previous games and a much better story. I guess people really didn't enjoy the tank parts and that coloured their opinion of the entire game.
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I disagree. Gotham feels empty because it is. NYC in spiderman feels like a living breathing city. Also NYC in Spiderman is not supposed to feel like morbid dread, its supposed to feel like NYC and they nail that where as Gotham is a made up city so they could give its own charm.

I had way more fun in SM NYC than Arkham Gotham.




Yeah SM is one of the best looking games on PS4, and it's pretty much seamless going from cutscenes to gameplay.




It's unfair to compare the two since SM is based on a real place NYC, where Arkham is, could make up whatever they wanted to. But id still give the nod to SM since seeing all the landmarks and marvel locations in the game is pretty awesome. Gotham was pretty boring to walk around in where as in SM, every few minutes are you like OMG that is the avengers tower, or OMG that is....fill in the blank....dont want to spoil the easteregg land marks.





This was easily a no-brainer for SM. SM improved upon the Arkham controls plus the style is well more suited for SM and in SM, you can actually get your ass handed to you if you dont pay attention where as with Batman you can easily fight by just hitting one button



I have not beaten the story yet in SM and I thought the last Arkham was crap so I didn't even finish the story.





For me its easily SM for both, the side missions are by far better in SM and way more varied. I can barely remember any of the side missions in Arkham. The joker ones were pretty cool but that is about it. In SM you have random peopel walking up to you on the street asking for help which is awesome. In SM you actualy feel like a friendly neighborhood spiderman because fo teh side quests. It Batman most of the side quests were forgettable.



For two those games, I agree its probably batman arkham knight since spiderman is holding back a lot of their bigger rogues for future games.




I agree SM and its not close. One thing I wish with the SM suits is that each had their own stats (like defense, power, speed etc), not just the one power you can put on each suit.




Pacing is all how you play, but with Akrham Knight I found the game to be sooo boring where as I have so much more fun in batman. The batmobile parts ruined the game for me so much so, it made me quit.
Also being Peter in SM is pretty fun, I could do with out the MJ parts though.




yeah SM soundtrack is very movie like, where as BM was pretty forgettable






For me it's not even close, SM is the best superhero game I have ever played, Arkham Knight was one of the worst. IMO the first Arkham game is way better than Arkham knight and stacks up much better against SM. SM is also great with their side quests because once you start to get bored with one of that style, you are finished with them and new types start to pop up.


Fair enough.



Although, what I meant by world design was how the locations were drawn out. I love the detail that went into creating the set-pieces for AK even more than SM. Easter eggs are cool, but I'd add this more to atmosphere and cool shit in the game with the Avengers references. Faithfully recreating NYC (for the most part) is a commendable feat. If I was to create a category for map size, Spiderman would certainly win.

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Although, what I meant by world design was how the locations were drawn out. I love the detail that went into creating the set-pieces for AK even more than SM. Easter eggs is cool, but I'd add this more to atmosphere and cool shit in the game. Faithfully recreating NYC (for the most part) is a commendable feat. If I was to create a category for map size, Spiderman would certainly win.
I hear ya, Batman is smaller so it can be more detailed, where Spiderman is much bigger, so it's mostly just window dressing so to speak. But that does not really take away too much since in spiderman it's better since you are web swinging at least 50% of the time and it adds to the immersion.

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I hear ya, Batman is smaller so it can be more detailed, where Spiderman is much bigger, so it's mostly just window dressing so to speak. But that does not really take away too much since in spiderman it's better since you are web swinging at least 50% of the time and it adds to the immersion.
Oh I definitely agree when it comes to web-slinging.


Sometimes I boot up the game and do just that. It has that organic Sunset Overdrive appeal that you don't quite get with the Batrope.


What I hated most about the batrope is how linear it is. Sometimes you'd want to aim somewhere and it took you somewhere else. The gliding around in Arkham is pretty fun, though.
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