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We all know WWE are essentially recreating the territories using their own brand - Raw, Smackdown, NXT, NXT UK, 205 Live, Women. With rumours of an NXT Japan, Asia and South America.

Would this model have worked in WCW in 2000/1 with their bloated roster and their reboot of the entire company.

They could create 2 Main titles, a bit like they did in 1993 with the World title and International title.

Nitro - Featuring the A class guys like Goldberg, DDP, Booker T, Sting, Scott Steiner, Kevin Nash, Jeff Jarrett etc

Thunder - The B rated guys like Shane Douglas, Bam Bam Bigelow, Lance Storm, Mike Awesome, The Wall, Berlyn, etc

Cruiserweights - we know they created a Cruiserweight tag team championship in their dying days to accompany the singles title, so these could take over Saturday Night. Featuring the younger guys like Kidman, Rey Mysterio, Chavo Guerrero Jr, 3 Count, Jung Dragons, Chris Candido, Juventud Guerrera, Lash LeRoux, Elix Skipper, Crowbar and eventually guys like Air Raid, Kid Romeo, Cash, Johnny Swinger etc.

Power Plant - essentially WCW's version of NXT, this could take over worldwide and showcase the trainee's in the company, creating their own title, guys like Bob Sapp, Mike Sanders, Reno, Kwee Wee, Jindrak, O'Haire, Palumbo etc and guys who are struggling on the main roster could be sent there to develop further and boost the brand.

WCW also filed for WCWXtreme and WCW Extreme in 2001, so they were looking at launching their own ECW title or division and mopping up the guys left after ECW collapsed at the start of 2001.We know guys like CW Anderson, Doring & Roadkill and Super Crazy had offers from WCW, with Kid Kash and Johnny Swinger already in WCW before they closed. Other guys like Crowbar, David Flair, Chris Harris, James Storm, Meng, Norman Smiley, Finlay could have helped make this an interesting show.
 

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Definitely wouldn't have worked.


The first time Vince did it, it was sustainable. He was loaded with stars and could even things out. Doesn't seem wise to place all of the stars on one show, under utilized talent on another show and the cruiserweights on a show people hadn't watched in years. Collectively, they weren't drawing. So, I don't see how that would change when they're isolated.


Also, WCW already had a legitimate developmental system in NWA Wildside. They would send the Power Plant guys there, while also using some of the original Wildside guys; most notably a young AJ Styles.



All of that being said, a brand split certainly isn't saving that company. Reboot doesn't matter if it has the same ownership, who certainly aren't going to devote the resources needed to ensure it works. And if you have new ownership, I'd imagine their objective would be to "scale back", not amplify.
 

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Was there even enough talent in WCW in 2000/2001 to do a suitable brand split? I don't think so.
 

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Was there even enough talent in WCW in 2000/2001 to do a suitable brand split? I don't think so.
The Reboot

Nitro

Hulk Hogan - Until BatB
Goldberg
Jeff Jarrett
DDP
Lex Luger
Sid
Kevin Nash
Curt Hennig
Scott Steiner
Booker T
Buff Bagwell
Dustin Rhodes

Kronik
Harlem Heat 2000
Harris Brothers
The Mamalukes

Thunder

Ric Flair
Sting
Shane Douglas
Bam Bam Bigelow
Rick Steiner
Vampiro
Mike Awesome
Lance Storm
Konnan
Kanyon
The Wall
The Great Muta
La Parka
Tank Abbott
Ernest Miller
Jim Duggan
Meng
Fit Finlay
Terry Funk
Norman Smiley
Hugh Morrus
Reno
David Flair
Crowbar

Chris Harris - 2001
Steve Corino - 2001
Road Dogg - 2001*
Bob Sapp - 2001
James Storm - 2001*

The Perfect Event - Stasiak/Palumbo
Jindrak & O'Haire
The Dark Carnival
The Boogie Knights
Joey Matthews/Christian York - 2001*


Cruiserweights

Rey Mysterio Jr.
Kidman
Chavo Guerrero Jr.
Chris Candido
Juventud Guerrera
The Artist
Shane Helms
Shannon Moore
Evan Karagias
Jamie Knoble
Lash LeRoux
Kaz Hayashi
Jimmy Yang
Silver King
El Dandy
Mike Sanders
Elix Skipper
Kwee Wee

Cash - 2001
Christopher Daniels - 2001
Kid Romeo - 2001
Jason Jett - 2001
Aj Styles - 2001
Air Paris - 2001
Super Crazy - 2001*
Tony Marmaluke - 2001*
 

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The Reboot

Nitro

Hulk Hogan - Until BatB
Goldberg
Jeff Jarrett
DDP
Lex Luger
Sid
Kevin Nash
Curt Hennig
Scott Steiner
Booker T
Buff Bagwell
Dustin Rhodes

Kronik
Harlem Heat 2000
Harris Brothers
The Mamalukes

Thunder

Ric Flair
Sting
Shane Douglas
Bam Bam Bigelow
Rick Steiner
Vampiro
Mike Awesome
Lance Storm
Konnan
Kanyon
The Wall
The Great Muta
La Parka
Tank Abbott
Ernest Miller
Jim Duggan
Meng
Fit Finlay
Terry Funk
Norman Smiley
Hugh Morrus
Reno
David Flair
Crowbar

Chris Harris - 2001
Steve Corino - 2001
Road Dogg - 2001*
Bob Sapp - 2001
James Storm - 2001*

The Perfect Event - Stasiak/Palumbo
Jindrak & O'Haire
The Dark Carnival
The Boogie Knights
Joey Matthews/Christian York - 2001*


Cruiserweights

Rey Mysterio Jr.
Kidman
Chavo Guerrero Jr.
Chris Candido
Juventud Guerrera
The Artist
Shane Helms
Shannon Moore
Evan Karagias
Jamie Knoble
Lash LeRoux
Kaz Hayashi
Jimmy Yang
Silver King
El Dandy
Mike Sanders
Elix Skipper
Kwee Wee

Cash - 2001
Christopher Daniels - 2001
Kid Romeo - 2001
Jason Jett - 2001
Aj Styles - 2001
Air Paris - 2001
Super Crazy - 2001*
Tony Marmaluke - 2001*
Thanks for this, guess there was talent. Not sure if it would have saved WCW though.
 

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WCW also filed for WCWXtreme and WCW Extreme in 2001, so they were looking at launching their own ECW title or division and mopping up the guys left after ECW collapsed at the start of 2001.We know guys like CW Anderson, Doring & Roadkill and Super Crazy had offers from WCW, with Kid Kash and Johnny Swinger already in WCW before they closed. Other guys like Crowbar, David Flair, Chris Harris, James Storm, Meng, Norman Smiley, Finlay could have helped make this an interesting show.
Meng had already gone back to WWF by the end of January in 2001 and Turner was already making plays to remove WCW from their television. By 2000, they were having enough trouble managing one wrestling company so a brand split would have made no sense.
 

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Meng had already gone back to WWF by the end of January in 2001 and Turner was already making plays to remove WCW from their television. By 2000, they were having enough trouble managing one wrestling company so a brand split would have made no sense.
and the trademarks were filed close to WCW's end. Bischoff has said that he was talking to other networks like Foz if he could purchase the company.

Meng was released as they were cutting contracts. If Bischoff managed to purchase WCW in 2000,he would have still been there, hence why I included him.

A brand split would have made sense if they were rebooting the whole company, it would have made it easier to manage the company by only having to worry about certain wrestlers on each programme, would have cut their workload in half.
 

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Meng was released as they were cutting contracts. If Bischoff managed to purchase WCW in 2000,he would have still been there, hence why I included him.

You can't just say that, though.


If Bischoff's plan is to shut the company down for a while, eliminate house show business and cut production costs, it's a reach to say he's acquiring every contract, especially of an overpaid, aging performer like Meng.


A brand split would have made sense if they were rebooting the whole company, it would have made it easier to manage the company by only having to worry about certain wrestlers on each programme, would have cut their workload in half.

If Bischoff bought the company, there's no workload to cut in half. There are no house shows and you have one TV taping a week. And his reasoning for that was because of how damaged the brand was. House show business wasn't profitable. And it was "critically important" that, for at least a year, you keep production costs low and in doing so, run the same venue every week.


You can't say what Bischoff would've done if it contradicts exactly what he said he was going to do, which is the polar opposite of what you're saying, as the objectives seem to be vastly different.
 

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Bischoff said the money was there to pick up every contract as they had a separate budget for that.
 
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