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It's not good by any means but it's still in the general range that NXT does on USA. However I think it's fair to say that so far this hasn't been a raving success ratings wise. Though it's not really a failure either in terms of what NXT does...yet. At least I think so by reading the charts...correct me if I'm wrong. I mean I personally enjoy the shows but I want to be as objective as possible lol.

It wouldn't surprise me if the audience NXT has cultivated utterly rejects this new direction but I guess we'll see.

It is interesting to see that a Beautiful People style stable no longer works.
 

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It's not good by any means but it's still in the general range that NXT does on USA. However I think it's fair to say that so far this hasn't been a raving success ratings wise. Though it's not really a failure either in terms of what NXT does...yet. I mean I personally enjoy the shows but I want to be as objective as possible lol.

It wouldn't surprise me if the audience NXT has cultivated utterly rejects this new direction but I guess we'll see.

It is interesting to see that a Beautiful People style stable no longer works.
In theory, a beautiful people style stable could still work. The problem is that this stuff is heavily scripted, and Mandy is a black hole of charisma. Gigi and Jacy aren't much better. The faction also shouldn't be presented as a major threat, let alone in NXT where the women's wrestling is by far the strongest. Or was until 2.0 hit.
 

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I am glad that now they develop characters, so more people want to see the show. Now, seriously, it was expected when the in-ring wrestling is so poor and time limited.

For this type of product they should be on the WWE Network and not on national television.
I thought MORE PEOPLE watched for CHARACTERS/STORIES over WRESTLING, and that the revamp was a SUCCESS!! :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

I’m so glad that I stopped watching this downgraded show on TV after week 1.
 

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NXT was a tired big old mess, they have a lot of work to do to change that perception let alone bring in potential new viewers. The show is still far from perfect, but the addition of more character-based performers has definitely been a much welcomed breath of fresh air (and even if it never becomes a ratings success it might at least do better in terms of developing main roster prospects).
 

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It's interesting how some folks want to deal in absolutes with regards to NXT, before and after the change. Like, before, it was more workrate-focused, but they still developed characters. And now, the characters are a bit more larger-than-life, but they're still letting the Pete Dunnes, Tommaso Ciampas, Roderick Strongs, and Ember Moons go out there and do their thing. And some of these more over-the-top personalities (like Bron Breakker and Tony D'Angelo) are clearly very sound in the ring, if one is paying even the slightest bit of attention.

It's clearly positioned as a developmental show, and something like that, in such a small setting, is never going to do gangbuster ratings. But if the way it's currently produced helps them develop talent that will transition more seamlessly to the main-roster moving forward, then it's probably a reasonable move.

That said, the amount of emphasis on the sexed-up Toxic Attraction faction is probably a bit misguided, as overt sexual content in film and particularly TV isn't the draw it once was, given the easy access to Internet porn these days. And of course the show is going to suffer from losing a lot of its top female talent to the main-roster in the past while (though they're doing a good job building up Indi, and we'll see how it goes with Sarray). Io, Ember, Franky, and Raquel feel like they're just marking time until an eventual call-up, and Dakota is inexplicably stuck in limbo.
 

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The revamp was predicated on making it young, hip and fresh and appealing to women. The fear was that the older demos would turn it out but its the opposite. They're doing some of their worst 18-49 and total viewership numbers ever and the revamp is tanking with young women. If this keeps sliding downward, they'll be below 600,000 viewers and out of the top 50 in the money demos before December.

USA Network got hoodwinked. They thought they were getting some of the finest in-ring action in the world performed by seasoned veterans but now they are receiving a show with a bunch of wrestlers that have been training for mere months and clearly aren't ready for prime time.
 

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I mean if you've looked at the advertising over the past three weeks, lets see who has been the most heavily featured parts:

- Toxic Attraction speaks! (Week 1)

- Toxic Attraction vs Io/Zoey, also the attack on Raquel (Week 2)

- Mandy Rose vs Ember Moon, also Raquel getting saved (Week 3)

Noticing a pattern here? Toxic Attraction is featured every single week, and ratings are sliding every single week. And Toxic Attraction continues to fail to impress. Right now its a faction coasting solely on their looks, because they sure as fuck aren't delivering in any other department. Doesn't help that they are featuring Mandy as the big centerpiece of the division despite her never actually being popular with fans outside of the Otis storyline (which was more about Otis than Mandy, tbf).
They're a stable that sells sex but it's still a PG product. Make it TV 14 and have them come out in lingerie and make out. Fuckin go all the way or don't go at all.
 

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Honestly, I don't mind Toxic Attraction being showcased.

Just give them plenty of time to showcase their talents in the ring.

I do recall them being involved in 2 solid matches that I enjoyed since the change.
 

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Sure, let Mandy go out there and have a twelve-to-fifteen-minute match (her match with Ember was four-and-a-half minutes, with Moon doing most of the work), to show us what she's actually got. It would be better to prove the doubters wrong (if she's able to) before putting a singles title on her. The other two women seem decent enough, and it's not like the women's tag-titles mean that much anyways. Strap 'em up, and get Io the heck out of developmental.
 

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The revamp was predicated on making it young, hip and fresh and appealing to women. The fear was that the older demos would turn it out but its the opposite. They're doing some of their worst 18-49 and total viewership numbers ever and the revamp is tanking with young women. If this keeps sliding downward, they'll be below 600,000 viewers and out of the top 50 in the money demos before December.

USA Network got hoodwinked. They thought they were getting some of the finest in-ring action in the world performed by seasoned veterans but now they are receiving a show with a bunch of wrestlers that have been training for mere months and clearly aren't ready for prime time.
USA got exactly that for nearly two years and it flopped. To this day, Sasha Banks vs Io Shirai is the highest rated match and episode. No one has cared about the generic wrestlers with no personality and they haven't sniffed 800 k since April on their first couple of uncontested shows, so it's disingenuous to act like the previous model was better. That number plummetted even harder.
 

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USA got exactly that for nearly two years and it flopped. To this day, Sasha Banks vs Io Shirai is the highest rated match and episode. No one has cared about the generic wrestlers with no personality and they haven't sniffed 800 k since April on their first couple of uncontested shows, so it's disingenuous to act like the previous model was better. That number plummetted even harder.
Except the previous model WAS better.

They managed to draw 800+ K viewers several times since they started airing on the USA network in late 2019. This was during the time that they heavily pushed/spotlighted those dreaded workate guys you irrationally despise so much in Adam Cole, Finn Balor, Tommaso Ciampa, Johnny Gargano, Kyle O'Reilly, Roderick Strong, and Bobby Fish (with the latter 2 names as Undisputed Era members). The fact that NXT 2.0 hasn't even managed to reach 800K viewers that Indy NXT recently did in April is pretty alarming with the lack of interest that they're receiving.

I'd also like to remind you that Indy NXT still managed to receive 700+ K viewers several times WHILE they had Dynamite as competition on Wednesday nights; which may not have been praised at the time, but yet is STILL more impressive than NXT 2.0's underwhelming numbers recently with no competition.

Let's face it. You don't get how ratings work. You were gloating obnoxiously on here in the first 2 weeks when there was a temporary spike (when EVERYBODY ELSE knew that it was due to the WHOLE show getting revamped), and now you're hilariously eating crow after what you claimed earlier about those precious characters/stories with this recent big dip. NXT 2.0 is a far cry to the times when NXT managed to beat both Raw and Smackdown back at Survivor Series 2019. It feels way less of a brand now.

Don't get all upset now blaming the workrate wrestlers just because you ended up being completely wrong. Anyway, hopefully @Showstopper sees this hilarious dip in viewership for this week. This is quite an eye-opener.
 

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It's interesting how some folks want to deal in absolutes with regards to NXT, before and after the change. Like, before, it was more workrate-focused, but they still developed characters. And now, the characters are a bit more larger-than-life, but they're still letting the Pete Dunnes, Tommaso Ciampas, Roderick Strongs, and Ember Moons go out there and do their thing. And some of these more over-the-top personalities (like Bron Breakker and Tony D'Angelo) are clearly very sound in the ring, if one is paying even the slightest bit of attention.

It's clearly positioned as a developmental show, and something like that, in such a small setting, is never going to do gangbuster ratings. But if the way it's currently produced helps them develop talent that will transition more seamlessly to the main-roster moving forward, then it's probably a reasonable move.

That said, the amount of emphasis on the sexed-up Toxic Attraction faction is probably a bit misguided, as overt sexual content in film and particularly TV isn't the draw it once was, given the easy access to Internet porn these days. And of course the show is going to suffer from losing a lot of its top female talent to the main-roster in the past while (though they're doing a good job building up Indi, and we'll see how it goes with Sarray). Io, Ember, Franky, and Raquel feel like they're just marking time until an eventual call-up, and Dakota is inexplicably stuck in limbo.
I don't think Mandy is the problem. Her group is whatever, but she's had a full career resurgence in 3 weeks. That's amazing. The problem is Raquel is a horrible champion and so is Ciampa. Dakota should've beaten Raquel and hopefully Rex squashes Ciampa at Halloween Havoc.

I think the show overall is really good, but women viewers are discouraged by a bad champion and Io being used only to keep mediocre people like Raquel and Zoey relevant. Having Raquel retain is the biggest mistake they've made in recent memory.
 

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USA got exactly that for nearly two years and it flopped. To this day, Sasha Banks vs Io Shirai is the highest rated match and episode. No one has cared about the generic wrestlers with no personality and they haven't sniffed 800 k since April on their first couple of uncontested shows, so it's disingenuous to act like the previous model was better. That number plummetted even harder.
People cared about Sasha/Io Shirai because it was the main event of a special show, Great American Bash, and pitched to people based on the idea that it was two seasoned veterans who were going to have a "banger" match like the Sasha/Bayley stuff in NXT. Should Mandy Rose wrestling somebody who hasn't even been wrestling for a year main event the next Great American Bash?

We don't know where NXT 2.0 is going to be, we can only speculate on the future and make informed predictions. We've got 2 years of data to think about with NXT 1.0 on USA. We got 4 weeks with 2.0. NXT did the same viewership numbers and demos, sometimes even better, when it was directly against Dynamite, so if that's a failure, what's that make 2.0? NXT 2.0 has the color palette and set construction of a 1990s Nickelodeon game show and is filled with hokey gimmicks out of 1990s like EY GABAGOOL I'M IN WASTE MANAGEMENT, GET IT?! and wrestlers greener than envy, really not that good to begin with, or both, having sub-5 minute matches that look like training drills.

The show had the indie guys and the work rate people. That's why people cared about it for the last 4 or 5 years.
 

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People cared about Sasha/Io Shirai because it was the main event of a special show, Great American Bash, and pitched to people based on the idea that it was two seasoned veterans who were going to have a "banger" match like the Sasha/Bayley stuff in NXT. Should Mandy Rose wrestling somebody who hasn't even been wrestling for a year main event the next Great American Bash?

We don't know where NXT 2.0 is going to be, we can only speculate on the future and make informed predictions. We've got 2 years of data to think about with NXT 1.0 on USA. We got 4 weeks with 2.0. NXT did the same viewership numbers and demos, sometimes even better, when it was directly against Dynamite, so if that's a failure, what's that make 2.0? NXT 2.0 has the color palette and set construction of a 1990s Nickelodeon game show and is filled with hokey gimmicks out of 1990s like EY GABAGOOL I'M IN WASTE MANAGEMENT, GET IT?! and wrestlers greener than envy, really not that good to begin with, or both, having sub-5 minute matches that look like training drills.

The show had the indie guys and the work rate people. That's why people cared about it for the last 4 or 5 years.
They were hitting 600k with the generic workrate guys too. I posted the yearly ratings several times here, so you can go back and check for reference. That was NEVER the draw of NXT. It was the superior booking that reminded us of the Ruthless Aggression Era because it COMBINED great wrestlers WITH personalities or entertaining gimmicks: Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, Finn Balor etc. It also featured the greatest women's division we had seen since Trish retired, which ended the dark ages of the Divas Division.

People are confusing the existence of great workers at NXT's peak with the reasoning behind its success. That wasn't it. It was just a well executed wrestling program that checked all of the boxes. That formula died with Dusty, then it slowly became more about popular indy guys taking over, and less about entertaining characters and storylines. They've hit rock bottom creatively for the last year or so and it has reflected in the ratings war against Dynamite, and subsequently after Wrestlemania when they did the same ratings while uncontested.

That formula was a failure and this one will pay off in long term success with actual main roster prospects, not geeks like Gargano and Ciampa who go to frat parties in their 30's because they peaked in college.
 

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They were hitting 600k with the generic workrate guys too. I posted the yearly ratings several times here, so you can go back and check for reference. That was NEVER the draw of NXT. It was the superior booking that reminded us of the Ruthless Aggression Era because it COMBINED great wrestlers WITH personalities or entertaining gimmicks: Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens, Finn Balor etc. It also featured the greatest women's division we had seen since Trish retired, which ended the dark ages of the Divas Division.

People are confusing the existence of great workers at NXT's peak with the reasoning behind its success. That wasn't it. It was just a well executed wrestling program that checked all of the boxes. That formula died with Dusty, then it slowly became more about popular indy guys taking over, and less about entertaining characters and storylines. They've hit rock bottom creatively for the last year or so and it has reflected in the ratings war against Dynamite, and subsequently after Wrestlemania when they did the same ratings while uncontested.

That formula was a failure and this one will pay off in long term success with actual main roster prospects, not geeks like Gargano and Ciampa who go to frat parties in their 30's because they peaked in college.
None of what you said here explains why NXT 2.0 is receiving worse ratings compared to the earlier episodes that relatively did better numbers when TALENTED guys like Tommaso Ciampa and Johnny Gargano were being strongly pushed 😂

Oh, for the record, Tommaso Ciampa is much more over than Bron Breakker. Just listen to that audience on Week 2 where he got the loudest pop/ovation.
 
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HHH is just as out-of-touch as Vince. He seems to think metal is the most popular genre of music in the world and thought it was a good idea to make Kross and Raquel NXT's top champs at the same time.
 
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