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If Brock, Batista or Orton had come up with Roman, do you think they would have pushed Roman or would have persisted with his super push?

The only competition for FOTC Roman has are Balor and Seth, both of which are piss weak options. Now say if Brock, Batista or Orton were genuine candidates, do you think he would have been pushed ahead of them? All of them have a equal or better look, more charisma, were/are more over and are better on the mic. Brock may be debatable in the mic department, but he's Brock fucking Lesnar, when he opens his mouth to say something, you listen.

Cena beat a strong field to become FOTC, Reigns seems to have gotten there because the alternatives are weak. The alternatives from the previous era would have been far better options for FOTC today, it's a shame they all were part of one era.
 

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Brock was given a better push back when they still had Rock, Angle, Taker, Austin, HHH and many others. Reigns is overpushed, but that's only because they have literaly no idea how to make a star anymore. They just throw accolades at a guy and hope it works. Brock would have suffered the same fate nowadays, he's just lucky that he was established back when they knew how to make a good show.
 

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Brock was given a better push back when they still had Rock, Angle, Taker, Austin, HHH and many others. Reigns is overpushed, but that's only because they have literaly no idea how to make a star anymore. They just throw accolades at a guy and hope it works. Brock would have suffered the same fate nowadays, he's just lucky that he was established back when they knew how to make a good show.
Not the same at all.

Brock has a larger than life presence like Goldberg. It's not surprising he was one of the UFC's biggest draws.

Roman isn't in that league, I don't even think he's in the one below it.

When Goldberg made his return last year, it really showed how huge of a difference there is between his physical charisma and Roman's.

And lol, didn't they do the same thing for Lesnar? He went over Hogan, Rock, Austin (was supposed to go over him), Taker won the rumble and main evented a WM within a few years.
 

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If Batista was willing to come back full time Vince would put him as face of the company over Roman right now.

He'd also have Lesnar as face of the company right now if he was willing to work a full time schedule, just look at what he pays him compared to Roman and thats with Lesnars reduced schedule. It's clear Lesnar is Vince's real favourite not Roman.
 

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I think Roman would be 4th choice from this list. I would think WWE and Vince would want to have Brock as their FOTC, if not then they wouldn't mind putting a young Orton/Batista in that spot. I just don't see how Roman makes the cut among those guys.
 

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What a strange thread. Do you think someone not having the same level of star potential as Brock, Batista and Orton reflects badly on them in any way?

You're coming up with the absolutely shittest ways to discredit Balor and Reigns. There are so many valid things to complain about and you're saying that he's bad because he wouldn't be able to overcome Batista and Brock Lesnar :kobelol
 

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What a strange thread. Do you think someone not having the same level of star potential as Brock, Batista and Orton reflects badly on them in any way?

You're coming up with the absolutely shittest ways to discredit Balor and Reigns. There are so many valid things to complain about and you're saying that he's bad because he wouldn't be able to overcome Batista and Brock Lesnar :kobelol
Yes, the three alternatives to Cena who never truly held the role of FOTC for a meaningful period of time being better options than their rejected top guy, who is booed out of arenas isn't an interesting topic at all fpalm

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Yes, the three alternatives to Cena who never truly held the role of FOTC for a meaningful period of time being better options than their rejected top guy, who is booed out of arenas isn't an interesting topic at all fpalm
Yes because there's a consensus opinion that he's not even better than the majority of the current roster and you're talking about future HOFs like Dave and Lesnar fpalm
You're acting like it's this hot take to say that Reigns isn't a great FOTC and that he's not deserving of it. This thread is just you stating the obvious as always.
 

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Batista and Orton didn't come in with the idea of being pushed past a certain point. It was only when HHH took both under his wing they were put in a top spot. Neither were protected like Lesnar, reigns, rock etc when they debuted.

So really the question should be if Lesnar and reigns were both starting out would reigns be getting same push
 

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Some of you guys must be under 25 years old, there's too much childhood nostalgia in this thread.

Babyface Reigns in 2002 would get cheered and booked correctly.

Orton and Batista weren't that good.Lesnar though, he was Vince's Goldberg. Legit from day 1.

But a young Reigns has a better babyface look than Lesnar. It would have ended with Reigns overcoming Lesnar in a main event at WM, not the other way around.

A 2002 Reigns wouldn't have been tarnished with sufferin' succotash etc.

Easily would've been booked as the next great hero.
 

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Are you talking like right now in real life or some fantasy world where Reigns was in OVW with them?

Right now Reigns would still get picked because he has youth on his size. If we're saying Reigns was apart of the OVW class then I doubt it, Reigns was pretty hefty before he slimmed down. It depends on how they wanted to sell him, I'd imagine since Rock wasn't all the way gone yet they'd probably try and sell him as your typical Samoan Savage and he ends up in that type of role.

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If that were really the case, they wouldn't have just zoned in one Roman. Back when Lesnar, Batista, Orton and Cena were all coming up in 2002, this is the reason why they came up with the brand split. Management didn't just originally zone in on John Cena, they pushed them in all different ways that worked out for them, it just happened when the dust settled Cena ended up more at the top, but a lot of things could have changed the guy at the top. If those three guys you mentioned came up with Reigns, then they wouldn't have zoned in on Reigns, they would have put 2 of each on a different brand and watch them flourish differently.

That wasn't really the case this time around, because when Reigns was coming in, they really were just looking for one guy, because they didn't luck out and get 4 gems at once. So, to your question, Reigns would get the same push, but it would have came later because the company would have made sure to try to get them all over at once before pulling the trigger on main event runs for any of them, since you have to take longer to push multiple guys as FOTC material. When you push one, it seems quicker and more noticeable.
 
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Not the same at all.

Brock has a larger than life presence like Goldberg. It's not surprising he was one of the UFC's biggest draws.

Roman isn't in that league, I don't even think he's the one below it.

When Goldberg made his return last year, it really showed how huge of a difference there is between his physical charisma and Roman's.

And lol, didn't they do the same thing for Lesnar? He went over Hogan, Rock, Austin (was supposed to go over him), Taker won the rumble and main evented a WM within a few years.
Brock is a better talent in my opinion too, but that doesn't change the fact that he was pushed -almost- as hard but with way better results, both because of his own talent and because the storytelling back then was way better. Let alone the fact that superpushes don't always work.

The point of my first post, anyway, was that had Brock not walked away, there would have been no Cena and probably not even Reigns, at least not yet in the case of the latter.
 

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Some of you guys must be under 25 years old, there's too much childhood nostalgia in this thread.

Babyface Reigns in 2002 would get cheered and booked correctly.

Orton and Batista weren't that good.Lesnar though, he was Vince's Goldberg. Legit from day 1.

But a young Reigns has a better babyface look than Lesnar. It would have ended with Reigns overcoming Lesnar in a main event at WM, not the other way around.

A 2002 Reigns wouldn't have been tarnished with sufferin' succotash etc.

Easily would've been booked as the next great hero.
2002 Reigns wouldn't have stood out from the others.

Orton, for one, has a far better look than him, which is 99.99% of the reason behind Roman's push.
 

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Hell, if Brock hadn't fucked off all those years ago there would have been no reign of Cena. He was supposed to be The Man. Of course R2 wouldn't be the pick if those other options were available.
 

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Some of you guys must be under 25 years old, there's too much childhood nostalgia in this thread.

Babyface Reigns in 2002 would get cheered and booked correctly.

Orton and Batista weren't that good.Lesnar though, he was Vince's Goldberg. Legit from day 1.

But a young Reigns has a better babyface look than Lesnar. It would have ended with Reigns overcoming Lesnar in a main event at WM, not the other way around.

A 2002 Reigns wouldn't have been tarnished with sufferin' succotash etc.

Easily would've been booked as the next great hero.
some delusion here, roman wouldnt have been positioned anywhere near these 3 if they were on the same roster at the same time
the only option i could possibly see is him as the 5th member of evolution, that'd have made sense, but even then he wouldn't have got the fanfare batista did to go after trips

roman is great but he's not at that level yet. i do think this is a thinly veiled attempt to discredit him but it does carry some validity
 
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