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Meltzer now reporting that Cena vs The Fiend and Goldberg vs Reigns are locked in for Mania 36.

He didn't state which one was for the universal title though.



He could just have built around Reigns like he did Hogan, Austin or Cena but he never did. Vince likes Reigns but he has never trusted him enough to be the guy. His changing 31 and 34 main event results and the drug failure for a pretty minor offense suggests that. The 3 previous mentioned guys would never have experienced that.



How would Fox know who would potentially 'draw viewers'? Goldberg outside pro wrestling didn't really create a big legacy and his peak in wrestling was 22 years ago. Lesnar, Rousey, Rock and Cena Fox would obviously know because of their success outside pro wrestling
Cena v Fiend for the title maybe?
Golberg vs Reigns does not need the title and Reigns will be booed out of the building like he normally does. The Goldberg jobbing tour continues obviously.

I dont believe your second paragraph. Vince only sees Reigns as his top guy. All Wrestlemanias for the most part are built around Reigns (ME matches with Lesnar, Triple HGH, etc). Yes he changed 31 and 34 because he realized that Reigns wasn't over enough with the crowd.

Are we supposed to believe that Fox does not have the minute by minute details on who draws and who doesn't? Media companies especially the ones with linear distribution are very well aware of overall viewership and they no doubt share this information with their content partners.
 

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I dont believe your second paragraph. Vince only sees Reigns as his top guy. All Wrestlemanias for the most part are built around Reigns (ME matches with Lesnar, Triple HGH, etc). Yes he changed 31 and 34 because he realized that Reigns wasn't over enough with the crowd.
he didn't build around him though and had the chance. Maybe Vince knew about cancer thing earlier than we think but regardless WWE is still built in Cenas image not Reigns.

i don't think Vince cares re: vocal fans reactions when it's his top guy. He never did with Cena.

Are we supposed to believe that Fox does not have the minute by minute details on who draws and who doesn't? Media companies especially the ones with linear distribution are very well aware of overall viewership and they no doubt share this information with their content partners.
I am sure they do but previous poster was suggesting Fox lobbied to put title on Goldberg. Goldberg only made his first in-building appearance on fox last Friday and a taped segment 2 weeks prior to that. That surely wouldn't be enough info for Fox to suddenly turn around and demand the title go on Goldberg.

If Fiend loses title that's 100% Vince call. Like Mahal in 17 it was clear pretty early Vince was not going to be happy with the matches and a long reign wasn't happening.
 

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he didn't build around him though and had the chance. Maybe Vince knew about cancer thing earlier than we think but regardless WWE is still built in Cenas image not Reigns.

i don't think Vince cares re: vocal fans reactions when it's his top guy. He never did with Cena.



I am sure they do but previous poster was suggesting Fox lobbied to put title on Goldberg. Goldberg only made his first in-building appearance on fox last Friday and a taped segment 2 weeks prior to that. That surely wouldn't be enough info for Fox to suddenly turn around and demand the title go on Goldberg.

If Fiend loses title that's 100% Vince call. Like Mahal in 17 it was clear pretty early Vince was not going to be happy with the matches and a long reign wasn't happening.
I don't quite follow. How is WWE built on Cena's image currently?

I don't see that horrible spinner belt or a PPV or a TV show named after Cena or any references to Cena until he has to make an appearance? A valid argument can be made that Lesnar is preferred over Cena at this point.
 

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Meltzer now reporting that Cena vs The Fiend and Goldberg vs Reigns are locked in for Mania 36.

He didn't state which one was for the universal title though.



He could just have built around Reigns like he did Hogan, Austin or Cena but he never did. Vince likes Reigns but he has never trusted him enough to be the guy. His changing 31 and 34 main event results and the drug failure for a pretty minor offense suggests that. The 3 previous mentioned guys would never have experienced that.



How would Fox know who would potentially 'draw viewers'? Goldberg outside pro wrestling didn't really create a big legacy and his peak in wrestling was 22 years ago. Lesnar, Rousey, Rock and Cena Fox would obviously know because of their success outside pro wrestling
Goldberg's return in 2016 helped raise TV ratings. He's still a big star.
 

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If they have oldberg take the title off of a red hot Bray that tops the list of stupid things wwe have done all this build up ..all the other guys the fiend went through ..all to feed him to Goldberg and then feed him to reigns ? Because you know having Roman run through everyone will just make backlash ...f off with all this hot shot bs

Also if Fury take son Brock what happens to drew ?
Lmao
 

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As soon as Meltzer confirmed it's Reigns vs. Goldberg, everyone should have known Goldberg was winning.

Reigns/Goldberg is the big money match and much bigger than Cena/Fiend. Vince isn't having Goldberg look weak when he's in the bigger match. Cena is a jabroni now. His returns haven't meant anything for years now. His return last year on Raw did pathetic numbers for example. Reigns return a month later did much better. Goldberg meanwhile still produces good numbers every time.
 

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As soon as Meltzer confirmed it's Reigns vs. Goldberg, everyone should have known Goldberg was winning.

Reigns/Goldberg is the big money match and much bigger than Cena/Fiend. Vince isn't having Goldberg look weak when he's in the bigger match. Cena is a jabroni now. His returns haven't meant anything for years now. His return last year on Raw did pathetic numbers for example. Reigns return a month later did much better. Goldberg meanwhile still produces good numbers every time.
Cena is a MUCH more bigger star than Reigns and Goldberg are. Cena going for the title record is the biggest match they can do at WM.
 

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Cena is a MUCH more bigger star than Reigns and Goldberg are. Cena going for the title record is the biggest match they can do at WM.
Bigger star than Reigns, sure. Bigger than Goldberg? Debatable at best.

Nobody cared when the fool won the titles 16 times, and we are supposed to believe that him beating the title record (a fictitious one) is going to make some kind of a difference? Right.
 

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Bigger star than Reigns, sure. Bigger than Goldberg? Debatable at best.

Nobody cared when the fool won the titles 16 times, and we are supposed to believe that him beating the title record (a fictitious one) is going to make some kind of a difference? Right.
How does it not matter? It'd be an achievement no one else has never done. That's history. Like it or not. "The streak" was fictional but people cared about that.

Also, Cena is a much better in ring worker than Goldberg and Reigns are.
 

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Cena is a MUCH more bigger star than Reigns and Goldberg are. Cena going for the title record is the biggest match they can do at WM.
Not anymore he isn't. There's a reason why Cena loses all the time now and they don't use him in big matches anymore.
 

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How does it not matter? It'd be an achievement no one else has never done. That's history. Like it or not. "The streak" was fictional but people cared about that.

Also, Cena is a much better in ring worker than Goldberg and Reigns are.
Both Hogan and Flair have won more than 17 world titles in their career. WWE don't have the balls to acknowledge it. Cena never drew as world champion and the fact that he was shoved down people's throats didn't help his case and soured on people fairly quickly. Since he left, no one has been chanting his name in arenas like they do for CM Punk or Daniel Bryan.

Neither Reigns or Goldberg are good in the ring, but to say that Cena is better than them isn't exactly a plus point. At the very least Goldberg can execute his moves correctly consistently, Cena can't even execute basic moves properly (have you seen him do a drop kick?).
 
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