WOR: Dave Meltzer has been told that WBD still does not want Mark Briscoe on their television.

BrrrGoesWooo! said:

Or.. You're just reading your own tea leaves again

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Or ... you are.

He never once mentioned WBD much less any ban or ’policy’ regarding Mark Briscoe.

But you have your narrative for which you pay $11.99 a month so fight for every penny, lol.

Your boy Dave just admitted, what, last week that he got taken in by a hoax from the equivalent of a hotmail address thinking he was being given inside info which he reported as fact on a Japanese promotion despite (a) being told repeatedly by true insiders in that promotion that none of it was true and (b) never doing one single thing to try to verify his source was who he thought it was OR that any of the information was valid. And he only admitted it after being called out publicly by journalists who were not taken in by it.

But I’m sure it was all true and “plans changed.” He’s not even a hack. He’s a charlatan.

JasmineAEW said:

But aren’t you the guy that uses that Xero guy as a news source?

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Shoot the messenger?

Whether he is or isn’t, Dave should be banned as a news source.

JasmineAEW said:

Seems like you have your own agenda. You act as though you know more than Meltzer. You don’t.

Meltzer is like every other wrestling “journalists.” They make mistakes, whether through carelessness or laziness. Even the most respected news reporters in the major networks make mistakes.

If you ban Meltzer, you might as well ban all wrestling news sites.

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What agenda?

He’s not a journalist. He’s an historian and a very good one, and his writing on history certainly should be allowed and has its place.

But it’s 100% clear that unlike a real journalist, he doesn’t vet his sources — to the point that he takes an email from a throwaway account as gospel and reports what some hoaxer says without bothering to try to verify. Nor does he do like a real journalist and seek a second source to back up an account — if Jericho or whoever tells him something, he just goes with it oblivious to being used to further THEIR agenda rather than take that info and try to confirm it with someone else. That’s not journalism. That’s gossip.f

So when it comes to how journalism works, I do know more than Meltzer. Imagine CNN or ABC or FOX or whoever getting an email from [email protected] and reporting what that email says as fact. Anyone doing that would be fired.

Nothing would be lost in banning him as a source.

(And don’t get me started on his partner, who actually criticized the commentary on a match with no commentary and made fun of the finish of a match that wasn’t actually the finish (saying Otis climbed the ladder when he didn’t … and people still stand up for them lol).

Nobody is saying you can’t keep paying your $11.99. Just don’t let their stuff be posted here as a news source.

Saintpat said:

What agenda?

He’s not a journalist. He’s an historian and a very good one, and his writing on history certainly should be allowed and has its place.

But it’s 100% clear that unlike a real journalist, he doesn’t vet his sources — to the point that he takes an email from a throwaway account as gospel and reports what some hoaxer says without bothering to try to verify. Nor does he do like a real journalist and seek a second source to back up an account — if Jericho or whoever tells him something, he just goes with it oblivious to being used to further THEIR agenda rather than take that info and try to confirm it with someone else. That’s not journalism. That’s gossip.f

So when it comes to how journalism works, I do know more than Meltzer. Imagine CNN or ABC or FOX or whoever getting an email from [email protected] and reporting what that email says as fact. Anyone doing that would be fired.

Nothing would be lost in banning him as a source.

(And don’t get me started on his partner, who actually criticized the commentary on a match with no commentary and made fun of the finish of a match that wasn’t actually the finish (saying Otis climbed the ladder when he didn’t … and people still stand up for them lol).

Nobody is saying you can’t keep paying your $11.99. Just don’t let their stuff be posted here as a news source.

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Nobody is saying these guys are Pulitzer prize winners for investigative journalism.

They're breaking scoops about wrestling.. not foreign affairs.

They're just dirt sheets, some more credible than others, but for some reason you get wrapped up trying to dunk on them because as you say yourself "I do know more."

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Plans do change.

SRS said "I'm told the new bosses at WBD gave AEW the permission to book Mark Briscoe on Dynamite. Mark Briscoe will get to honor Jay Briscoe this week."

Tony Khan himself said about the Mark/Lethal match "I fought hard to make it happen."

And then for some reason you spin this weird narrative that there was no issue with Mark at all and Tony is just bigging himself up -- that's reading your own tea leaves.

So what changed? Why did they need to get permission to have him on the show? Why did Tony have to fight hard to make this match and the tribute happen?

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It seems to be a weird media literacy issue that affects a lot of people these days on the internet.

Plans do change, and we're constantly learning new details about everything from people reporting what they've heard or people directly involved with the topic -- just because somebody said something was one way last week doesn't mean it isn't different this week.. or even 5 hours from now -- and this can go for almost anything.

Have you never heard a report about some international treaty, a civil court case, or corporate negotiation described as "looking good, both parties seem to be ready to reach a mutual agreement," at the outset of talks, only for shit to dissolve into a fist fight, argument or war after 8 hours?


I don't give a shit about Dave Meltzer, I just hate unmoving, anti-intellectual bullshit.


Oh and don't start about whataboutism about Xero when you just whatabouted Alvarez two comments above you.. fuckin please.

BrrrGoesWooo! said:

Nobody is saying these guys are Pulitzer prize winners for investigative journalism.

They're breaking scoops about wrestling.. not foreign affairs.

They're just dirt sheets, some more credible than others, but for some reason you get wrapped up trying to dunk on them because as you say yourself "I do know more."

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Plans do change.

SRS said "I'm told the new bosses at WBD gave AEW the permission to book Mark Briscoe on Dynamite. Mark Briscoe will get to honor Jay Briscoe this week."

Tony Khan himself said about the Mark/Lethal match "I fought hard to make it happen."

And then for some reason you spin this weird narrative that there was no issue with Mark at all and Tony is just bigging himself up -- that's reading your own tea leaves.

So what changed? Why did they need to get permission to have him on the show? Why did Tony have to fight hard to make this match and the tribute happen?

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It seems to be a weird media literacy issue that affects a lot of people these days on the internet.

Plans do change, and we're constantly learning new details about everything from people reporting what they've heard or people directly involved with the topic -- just because somebody said something was one way last week doesn't mean it isn't different this week.. or even 5 hours from now -- and this can go for almost anything.

Have you never heard a report about some international treaty, a civil court case, or corporate negotiation described as "looking good, both parties seem to be ready to reach a mutual agreement," at the outset of talks, only for shit to dissolve into a fist fight, argument or war after 8 hours?


I don't give a shit about Dave Meltzer, I just hate unmoving, anti-intellectual bullshit.


Oh and don't start about whataboutism about Xero when you just whatabouted Alvarez two comments above you.. fuckin please.

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You’re in the $11.99-Dave-Is-Never-Wrong-See-Plans-Just-Changed Club. Show Uncle Dave your posts defending him and maybe he’ll give you a free month.

Where does SRS’s post say WBD ever denied Tony using Mark Briscoe earlier? What says he ever asked before? In fact, SRS reported that Mark could have worked Dynamite earlier but wouldn’t have wanted to do that while they weren’t letting Jay appear there. Why did you conveniently leave that out?

Dave literally said NO, Mark Briscoe is not allowed on WBD … and a few hours later it’s announced that he’s going to wrestle there. Nothing changed.

The only ‘tea leaves‘ here are Tony saying something vague about ‘fighting’ to get the match made. He didn’t mention WBD, he didn’t say there had been a policy preventing him from wrestling there … he just threw that out there. You decide that means there was an anti-Mark Briscoe mandate from the network — which SRS says wasn’t the case — because why? Because you can’t accept that Dave was wrong.

Dave isn’t a journalist because he doesn’t do what journalists do — check out information. He just hears things and passes them along with no filter, no effort to find out if they’re true. In fact, just last week he admitted that he was had by a hoaxer who was emailing him claiming to be a Japanese wrestler from the equivalent of a throwaway hotmail account … and that he never bothered to try to verify if that was indeed who was emailing him nor if any of the info was true — even while he was being told all along that it wasn’t true. Others got the same email and smelled a rat and when the sender couldn’t verify their identity, they passed. That makes him far less credible than anyone else in the ‘dirtsheet business.’

So no, he shouldn’t be allowed as a source on this forum (or any other with a shred of dignity) because he’s been 100% exposed as a fraud.