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Huh.. just heard an interview with TK saying "I fought hard to make it happen" referring to the Lethal/Mark Briscoe match. Why would he need to fight hard to make it happen if Mark could have wrestled before? :unsure:

If Dave is guilty of anything it's having impeccably shit timing.
SMFH.

”Fought hard“ could be him just asking for the first time if they’re OK with Mark on TV and bigging himself up.

More likely, Dave tried to get that out there because he knew this was coming and wants to paint his buddy Tony as the big man who stood up to the mean network.

There was a problem on WBD’s part with Jay. There have been zero reports in all this time of there being any problem with Mark.

I know the four most painful and difficult words in the English language for a certain set of $11.99-ers is ‘Dave got it wrong,’ but .. Dave got it wrong.
 

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I don't know what Mark Briscoe said or did, but it sounds like James Gunn and Disney. People say and do stupid stuff from time to time. That doesn't mean they have to wear the scarlet letter. As long as you learned the lesson and regret it. It's not like Disney cares. It's like Hulk Hogan being a racist. The advertisers and shareholders will complain. If there's more money in having Hulk Hogan on TV they'll forgive him. Mark Briscoe isn't a big enough star to forgive.
 

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It’s been a long time, and by all accounts he’d already made amends with the gay wrestlers and promotions that it impacted originally. So on the one hand, I do personally think he should’ve been allowed on TBS.

But OTOH there’s the part everyone is conveniently forgetting, which is that the homophobic tweets included a threat of gun violence, and we live in a society where things like the Pulse night club shooting happened. It’s not too hard to see why WBD took a hard line.
 

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SMFH.

”Fought hard“ could be him just asking for the first time if they’re OK with Mark on TV and bigging himself up.

More likely, Dave tried to get that out there because he knew this was coming and wants to paint his buddy Tony as the big man who stood up to the mean network.

There was a problem on WBD’s part with Jay. There have been zero reports in all this time of there being any problem with Mark.

I know the four most painful and difficult words in the English language for a certain set of $11.99-ers is ‘Dave got it wrong,’ but .. Dave got it wrong.
Or.. You're just reading your own tea leaves again :sneaky:;)
 

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I think Meltzer gave the most updated information he had. He had no reason to lie. Obviously, Tony got WBD to relent on this. I do think WBD probably got a lot of bad publicity on this, and that was what ultimately got them to change their minds.

Ban Dave Meltzer as a source from this website please for the love of God. TWICE in one week? F*** him.
But aren’t you the guy that uses that Xero guy as a news source?
 

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Or.. You're just reading your own tea leaves again :sneaky:;)
Or ... you are.

He never once mentioned WBD much less any ban or ’policy’ regarding Mark Briscoe.

But you have your narrative for which you pay $11.99 a month so fight for every penny, lol.

Your boy Dave just admitted, what, last week that he got taken in by a hoax from the equivalent of a hotmail address thinking he was being given inside info which he reported as fact on a Japanese promotion despite (a) being told repeatedly by true insiders in that promotion that none of it was true and (b) never doing one single thing to try to verify his source was who he thought it was OR that any of the information was valid. And he only admitted it after being called out publicly by journalists who were not taken in by it.

But I’m sure it was all true and “plans changed.” He’s not even a hack. He’s a charlatan.

But aren’t you the guy that uses that Xero guy as a news source?
Shoot the messenger?

Whether he is or isn’t, Dave should be banned as a news source.
 

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Shoot the messenger?

Whether he is or isn’t, Dave should be banned as a news source.
Seems like you have your own agenda. You act as though you know more than Meltzer. You don’t.

Meltzer is like every other wrestling “journalists.” They make mistakes, whether through carelessness or laziness. Even the most respected news reporters in the major networks make mistakes.

If you ban Meltzer, you might as well ban all wrestling news sites.
 

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Whether or not you wanna REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE about Meltzer or suck his cock all the time, I'm just happy Mark got onto the show.

Even on his own, there's a uniqueness there and he could be a solid midcard type guy if they're going to use him consistently. I'd add him in place of a lot of guys on the roster honestly.
 

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Seems like you have your own agenda. You act as though you know more than Meltzer. You don’t.

Meltzer is like every other wrestling “journalists.” They make mistakes, whether through carelessness or laziness. Even the most respected news reporters in the major networks make mistakes.

If you ban Meltzer, you might as well ban all wrestling news sites.
What agenda?

He’s not a journalist. He’s an historian and a very good one, and his writing on history certainly should be allowed and has its place.

But it’s 100% clear that unlike a real journalist, he doesn’t vet his sources — to the point that he takes an email from a throwaway account as gospel and reports what some hoaxer says without bothering to try to verify. Nor does he do like a real journalist and seek a second source to back up an account — if Jericho or whoever tells him something, he just goes with it oblivious to being used to further THEIR agenda rather than take that info and try to confirm it with someone else. That’s not journalism. That’s gossip.f

So when it comes to how journalism works, I do know more than Meltzer. Imagine CNN or ABC or FOX or whoever getting an email from [email protected] and reporting what that email says as fact. Anyone doing that would be fired.

Nothing would be lost in banning him as a source.

(And don’t get me started on his partner, who actually criticized the commentary on a match with no commentary and made fun of the finish of a match that wasn’t actually the finish (saying Otis climbed the ladder when he didn’t … and people still stand up for them lol).

Nobody is saying you can’t keep paying your $11.99. Just don’t let their stuff be posted here as a news source.
 

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What agenda?

He’s not a journalist. He’s an historian and a very good one, and his writing on history certainly should be allowed and has its place.

But it’s 100% clear that unlike a real journalist, he doesn’t vet his sources — to the point that he takes an email from a throwaway account as gospel and reports what some hoaxer says without bothering to try to verify. Nor does he do like a real journalist and seek a second source to back up an account — if Jericho or whoever tells him something, he just goes with it oblivious to being used to further THEIR agenda rather than take that info and try to confirm it with someone else. That’s not journalism. That’s gossip.f

So when it comes to how journalism works, I do know more than Meltzer. Imagine CNN or ABC or FOX or whoever getting an email from [email protected] and reporting what that email says as fact. Anyone doing that would be fired.

Nothing would be lost in banning him as a source.

(And don’t get me started on his partner, who actually criticized the commentary on a match with no commentary and made fun of the finish of a match that wasn’t actually the finish (saying Otis climbed the ladder when he didn’t … and people still stand up for them lol).

Nobody is saying you can’t keep paying your $11.99. Just don’t let their stuff be posted here as a news source.
Like I said, even real journalists make mistakes. Even real journalists report “fake news.”

Meltzer and everyone else should be called out when they get things wrong. But on the whole Meltzer is certainly more credible than other news sites that we see here, including Xero.
 

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Like I said, even real journalists make mistakes. Even real journalists report “fake news.”

Meltzer and everyone else should be called out when they get things wrong. But on the whole Meltzer is certainly more credible than other news sites that we see here, including Xero.
Decades of not vetting sources and not seeking to confirm information with other sources isn’t ‘making a mistake.’ It’s WHY he gets things wrong.

You notice he never, ever includes things like: “WWE (or AEW or NJPW or whoever) declined to comment”? That’s because he doesn’t ever reach out like a real journalist to say ‘I’m going to report this, I’d like to hear your side.’ Like did he call WBD and ask if there was a ban on Mark Briscoe wrestling? Has he tried to develop sources there? The answer is someone at AEW tells him something and he goes with it. So he often gets it wrong. Maybe WBD wouldn’t comment, but as a journalist — if that’s what he really is — his job is to at least TRY.

I don’t know anything about xero. I do know what whataboutism is, and whether xero is credible has nothing to do with whether Meltzer is … and he’s not.
 

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Ban Dave Meltzer as a source from this website please for the love of God. TWICE in one week? F*** him.
Nah. It generates discussion just like your boy. Nothing stops you guys from discussing Dave's opinion.

And besides its wrestling. If wrestling was as important as politics then yeah I would. If I see aew fans shooting up wwe while screaming make wrestling flippy again Or something then I would.

Also too little too late wbd fuck you and your token gesture
 

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What agenda?

He’s not a journalist. He’s an historian and a very good one, and his writing on history certainly should be allowed and has its place.

But it’s 100% clear that unlike a real journalist, he doesn’t vet his sources — to the point that he takes an email from a throwaway account as gospel and reports what some hoaxer says without bothering to try to verify. Nor does he do like a real journalist and seek a second source to back up an account — if Jericho or whoever tells him something, he just goes with it oblivious to being used to further THEIR agenda rather than take that info and try to confirm it with someone else. That’s not journalism. That’s gossip.f

So when it comes to how journalism works, I do know more than Meltzer. Imagine CNN or ABC or FOX or whoever getting an email from [email protected] and reporting what that email says as fact. Anyone doing that would be fired.

Nothing would be lost in banning him as a source.

(And don’t get me started on his partner, who actually criticized the commentary on a match with no commentary and made fun of the finish of a match that wasn’t actually the finish (saying Otis climbed the ladder when he didn’t … and people still stand up for them lol).

Nobody is saying you can’t keep paying your $11.99. Just don’t let their stuff be posted here as a news source.
Nobody is saying these guys are Pulitzer prize winners for investigative journalism.

They're breaking scoops about wrestling.. not foreign affairs.

They're just dirt sheets, some more credible than others, but for some reason you get wrapped up trying to dunk on them because as you say yourself "I do know more."

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Plans do change.

SRS said "I'm told the new bosses at WBD gave AEW the permission to book Mark Briscoe on Dynamite. Mark Briscoe will get to honor Jay Briscoe this week."

Tony Khan himself said about the Mark/Lethal match "I fought hard to make it happen."

And then for some reason you spin this weird narrative that there was no issue with Mark at all and Tony is just bigging himself up -- that's reading your own tea leaves.

So what changed? Why did they need to get permission to have him on the show? Why did Tony have to fight hard to make this match and the tribute happen?

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It seems to be a weird media literacy issue that affects a lot of people these days on the internet.

Plans do change, and we're constantly learning new details about everything from people reporting what they've heard or people directly involved with the topic -- just because somebody said something was one way last week doesn't mean it isn't different this week.. or even 5 hours from now -- and this can go for almost anything.

Have you never heard a report about some international treaty, a civil court case, or corporate negotiation described as "looking good, both parties seem to be ready to reach a mutual agreement," at the outset of talks, only for shit to dissolve into a fist fight, argument or war after 8 hours?


I don't give a shit about Dave Meltzer, I just hate unmoving, anti-intellectual bullshit.


Oh and don't start about whataboutism about Xero when you just whatabouted Alvarez two comments above you.. fuckin please.
 

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Nobody is saying these guys are Pulitzer prize winners for investigative journalism.

They're breaking scoops about wrestling.. not foreign affairs.

They're just dirt sheets, some more credible than others, but for some reason you get wrapped up trying to dunk on them because as you say yourself "I do know more."

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Plans do change.

SRS said "I'm told the new bosses at WBD gave AEW the permission to book Mark Briscoe on Dynamite. Mark Briscoe will get to honor Jay Briscoe this week."

Tony Khan himself said about the Mark/Lethal match "I fought hard to make it happen."

And then for some reason you spin this weird narrative that there was no issue with Mark at all and Tony is just bigging himself up -- that's reading your own tea leaves.

So what changed? Why did they need to get permission to have him on the show? Why did Tony have to fight hard to make this match and the tribute happen?

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It seems to be a weird media literacy issue that affects a lot of people these days on the internet.

Plans do change, and we're constantly learning new details about everything from people reporting what they've heard or people directly involved with the topic -- just because somebody said something was one way last week doesn't mean it isn't different this week.. or even 5 hours from now -- and this can go for almost anything.

Have you never heard a report about some international treaty, a civil court case, or corporate negotiation described as "looking good, both parties seem to be ready to reach a mutual agreement," at the outset of talks, only for shit to dissolve into a fist fight, argument or war after 8 hours?


I don't give a shit about Dave Meltzer, I just hate unmoving, anti-intellectual bullshit.


Oh and don't start about whataboutism about Xero when you just whatabouted Alvarez two comments above you.. fuckin please.
You’re in the $11.99-Dave-Is-Never-Wrong-See-Plans-Just-Changed Club. Show Uncle Dave your posts defending him and maybe he’ll give you a free month.

Where does SRS’s post say WBD ever denied Tony using Mark Briscoe earlier? What says he ever asked before? In fact, SRS reported that Mark could have worked Dynamite earlier but wouldn’t have wanted to do that while they weren’t letting Jay appear there. Why did you conveniently leave that out?

Dave literally said NO, Mark Briscoe is not allowed on WBD … and a few hours later it’s announced that he’s going to wrestle there. Nothing changed.

The only ‘tea leaves‘ here are Tony saying something vague about ‘fighting’ to get the match made. He didn’t mention WBD, he didn’t say there had been a policy preventing him from wrestling there … he just threw that out there. You decide that means there was an anti-Mark Briscoe mandate from the network — which SRS says wasn’t the case — because why? Because you can’t accept that Dave was wrong.

Dave isn’t a journalist because he doesn’t do what journalists do — check out information. He just hears things and passes them along with no filter, no effort to find out if they’re true. In fact, just last week he admitted that he was had by a hoaxer who was emailing him claiming to be a Japanese wrestler from the equivalent of a throwaway hotmail account … and that he never bothered to try to verify if that was indeed who was emailing him nor if any of the info was true — even while he was being told all along that it wasn’t true. Others got the same email and smelled a rat and when the sender couldn’t verify their identity, they passed. That makes him far less credible than anyone else in the ‘dirtsheet business.’

So no, he shouldn’t be allowed as a source on this forum (or any other with a shred of dignity) because he’s been 100% exposed as a fraud.
 

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Didn't they spend much of the time after those comments routinely going "yeah, that was a shitty thing to say, we apologize"? I always thought they were sincere in that.
I hate the trend of digging up dirt on people from who they were like 10 years ago and shoving it in their face like "how do you justify this?!"
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I'm happy that Mark gets to appear. It's a shame that Warner didn't let Jay on. As the Briscoe's could of elevated the program.

I think it sucks that they are happy with some other guys on the roster who embarrass the company and network week after week.

But someone makes an error of judgement 10 years ago and they couldn't move on. Even though he apologised and did training and donated his paycheck to hate crime.

Like I said before life is about making mistakes, owning up to it and forgiveness. Hulk Hogan made a mistake what he said about black people and he's back on the USA network. And he was caught on camera.

It's beggars belief that Jay was banned.
 
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