[Saintpat]

I wouldn’t be shocked if this is true but consider the source.

Meltzer would report it as gospel if he got an email from [email protected] telling him this.

 

[Saintpat]

First off this is awesome and I can't wait!

2nd off HAHAHAHAHAA @ Dave...Truly a joke

Dave: I was right. I told you plans could change.

This is Dave trying to set up Tony as the hero who stood up to the big, bad network. And a lot of people will take his report — which was wrong — as gospel and run with that narrative.

 

[Saintpat]

Well something must have changed between last week and today if they were only allowed a graphic and some armbands and now they're apparently allowed to honor him, and Mark is allowed to wrestle.

The idea that WBD had a ”policy” — Dave’s word not mine — that Mark Briscoe wasn’t allowed on the network as of last night or this morning (whenever he definitively said, on video, flat-out NO that Mark Briscoe wouldn’t be allowed) is laughable. Policies are in writing so someone produce the handbook with all network policies that mentions Mark Briscoe.

Heck, show me a report that Tony wanted Mark to wrestle on the show last week (seems pretty far-fetched as I’m sure he was in shock and being there for his family) and was told no.

SRS reported that Mark would have been allowed to wrestle all along but wouldn’t have wanted to without Jay. That sounds a lot more believable.

Dave got it wrong. It happens all the time. It’s beyond my comprehension that people would give this guy $11.99 a month to get incorrect reports and then ‘plans changed’ explanations every time he’s wrong.

 

[Saintpat]

People use policy to refer to a simple stance on things all the time, they don't have to codify it and put it in a company wide handbook.

Tony certainly wasn't asking Mark to wrestle last week, don't be silly, but he obviously wanted to do more as evidenced by the tribute show they were forced to sandwich in between Dynamite and Rampage.

So what changed that they're allowed to honor Jay with what I'm assuming will be a 10 bell salute, a video package and someone or a few people giving an address, because something obviously changed, one of those things possibly being an already less strict stance on Mark being waived -- because SRS also just tweeted this

"I'm told the new bosses at WBD gave AEW the permission to book Mark Briscoe on Dynamite." almost like they didn't have permission previously

Or almost like they never asked previously.

There was not one single report ever before Dave today/last night (not sure when the WOR video was shot) saying Mark Briscoe could not wrestling on AEW TV. He never mentioned it, never reported it … and literally almost the minute he does it’s announced that Mark Briscoe is indeed wrestling on AEW TV.

There was no policy. They didn’t want Jay on their TV network, which sucks but that’s not the same as saying they wouldn’t allow his brother.

The tribute thing is a completely different report. I’m talking about Mark wrestling on WBD, not in what way they could honor Jay. Two different subjects.

Meltzer was 100% wrong. Why not just accept it. You can’t deny his own words on video.

 

[Saintpat]

Why not just accept that plans change like they clearly did here lol.

Dave is never wrong!!! It’s just that plans keep changing!!!

Why not accept that Mark Briscoe was never an issue?

 

[Saintpat]

Was enough of one that according to SRS they had to grant permission.

According to SRS, he could have wrestled on WBD before but not Jay, and he probably didn’t want to do it if they were keeping Jay off.

SRS never reported that Mark Briscoe was banned.

Only Dave did that … right before AEW announced he was wrestling on TV this week lol.

Your guy was wrong. It’s your dime (or rather $11.99) but just let Dave take his L.

 

[Saintpat]

Huh.. just heard an interview with TK saying "I fought hard to make it happen" referring to the Lethal/Mark Briscoe match. Why would he need to fight hard to make it happen if Mark could have wrestled before?

If Dave is guilty of anything it's having impeccably shit timing.

SMFH.

”Fought hard“ could be him just asking for the first time if they’re OK with Mark on TV and bigging himself up.

More likely, Dave tried to get that out there because he knew this was coming and wants to paint his buddy Tony as the big man who stood up to the mean network.

There was a problem on WBD’s part with Jay. There have been zero reports in all this time of there being any problem with Mark.

I know the four most painful and difficult words in the English language for a certain set of $11.99-ers is ‘Dave got it wrong,’ but .. Dave got it wrong.

 

[Saintpat]

Or.. You're just reading your own tea leaves again

Or ... you are.

He never once mentioned WBD much less any ban or ’policy’ regarding Mark Briscoe.

But you have your narrative for which you pay $11.99 a month so fight for every penny, lol.

Your boy Dave just admitted, what, last week that he got taken in by a hoax from the equivalent of a hotmail address thinking he was being given inside info which he reported as fact on a Japanese promotion despite (a) being told repeatedly by true insiders in that promotion that none of it was true and (b) never doing one single thing to try to verify his source was who he thought it was OR that any of the information was valid. And he only admitted it after being called out publicly by journalists who were not taken in by it.

But I’m sure it was all true and “plans changed.” He’s not even a hack. He’s a charlatan.

But aren’t you the guy that uses that Xero guy as a news source?

Shoot the messenger?

Whether he is or isn’t, Dave should be banned as a news source.

 

[Saintpat]

Seems like you have your own agenda. You act as though you know more than Meltzer. You don’t.

Meltzer is like every other wrestling “journalists.” They make mistakes, whether through carelessness or laziness. Even the most respected news reporters in the major networks make mistakes.

If you ban Meltzer, you might as well ban all wrestling news sites.

What agenda?

He’s not a journalist. He’s an historian and a very good one, and his writing on history certainly should be allowed and has its place.

But it’s 100% clear that unlike a real journalist, he doesn’t vet his sources — to the point that he takes an email from a throwaway account as gospel and reports what some hoaxer says without bothering to try to verify. Nor does he do like a real journalist and seek a second source to back up an account — if Jericho or whoever tells him something, he just goes with it oblivious to being used to further THEIR agenda rather than take that info and try to confirm it with someone else. That’s not journalism. That’s gossip.f

So when it comes to how journalism works, I do know more than Meltzer. Imagine CNN or ABC or FOX or whoever getting an email from [email protected] and reporting what that email says as fact. Anyone doing that would be fired.

Nothing would be lost in banning him as a source.

(And don’t get me started on his partner, who actually criticized the commentary on a match with no commentary and made fun of the finish of a match that wasn’t actually the finish (saying Otis climbed the ladder when he didn’t … and people still stand up for them lol).

Nobody is saying you can’t keep paying your $11.99. Just don’t let their stuff be posted here as a news source.

 

[Saintpat]

Like I said, even real journalists make mistakes. Even real journalists report “fake news.”

Meltzer and everyone else should be called out when they get things wrong. But on the whole Meltzer is certainly more credible than other news sites that we see here, including Xero.

Decades of not vetting sources and not seeking to confirm information with other sources isn’t ‘making a mistake.’ It’s WHY he gets things wrong.

You notice he never, ever includes things like: “WWE (or AEW or NJPW or whoever) declined to comment”? That’s because he doesn’t ever reach out like a real journalist to say ‘I’m going to report this, I’d like to hear your side.’ Like did he call WBD and ask if there was a ban on Mark Briscoe wrestling? Has he tried to develop sources there? The answer is someone at AEW tells him something and he goes with it. So he often gets it wrong. Maybe WBD wouldn’t comment, but as a journalist — if that’s what he really is — his job is to at least TRY.

I don’t know anything about xero. I do know what whataboutism is, and whether xero is credible has nothing to do with whether Meltzer is … and he’s not.

 

[Saintpat]

Nobody is saying these guys are Pulitzer prize winners for investigative journalism.

They're breaking scoops about wrestling.. not foreign affairs.

They're just dirt sheets, some more credible than others, but for some reason you get wrapped up trying to dunk on them because as you say yourself "I do know more."

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Plans do change.

SRS said "I'm told the new bosses at WBD gave AEW the permission to book Mark Briscoe on Dynamite. Mark Briscoe will get to honor Jay Briscoe this week."

Tony Khan himself said about the Mark/Lethal match "I fought hard to make it happen."

And then for some reason you spin this weird narrative that there was no issue with Mark at all and Tony is just bigging himself up -- that's reading your own tea leaves.

So what changed? Why did they need to get permission to have him on the show? Why did Tony have to fight hard to make this match and the tribute happen?

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It seems to be a weird media literacy issue that affects a lot of people these days on the internet.

Plans do change, and we're constantly learning new details about everything from people reporting what they've heard or people directly involved with the topic -- just because somebody said something was one way last week doesn't mean it isn't different this week.. or even 5 hours from now -- and this can go for almost anything.

Have you never heard a report about some international treaty, a civil court case, or corporate negotiation described as "looking good, both parties seem to be ready to reach a mutual agreement," at the outset of talks, only for shit to dissolve into a fist fight, argument or war after 8 hours?


I don't give a shit about Dave Meltzer, I just hate unmoving, anti-intellectual bullshit.


Oh and don't start about whataboutism about Xero when you just whatabouted Alvarez two comments above you.. fuckin please.

You’re in the $11.99-Dave-Is-Never-Wrong-See-Plans-Just-Changed Club. Show Uncle Dave your posts defending him and maybe he’ll give you a free month.

Where does SRS’s post say WBD ever denied Tony using Mark Briscoe earlier? What says he ever asked before? In fact, SRS reported that Mark could have worked Dynamite earlier but wouldn’t have wanted to do that while they weren’t letting Jay appear there. Why did you conveniently leave that out?

Dave literally said NO, Mark Briscoe is not allowed on WBD … and a few hours later it’s announced that he’s going to wrestle there. Nothing changed.

The only ‘tea leaves‘ here are Tony saying something vague about ‘fighting’ to get the match made. He didn’t mention WBD, he didn’t say there had been a policy preventing him from wrestling there … he just threw that out there. You decide that means there was an anti-Mark Briscoe mandate from the network — which SRS says wasn’t the case — because why? Because you can’t accept that Dave was wrong.

Dave isn’t a journalist because he doesn’t do what journalists do — check out information. He just hears things and passes them along with no filter, no effort to find out if they’re true. In fact, just last week he admitted that he was had by a hoaxer who was emailing him claiming to be a Japanese wrestler from the equivalent of a throwaway hotmail account … and that he never bothered to try to verify if that was indeed who was emailing him nor if any of the info was true — even while he was being told all along that it wasn’t true. Others got the same email and smelled a rat and when the sender couldn’t verify their identity, they passed. That makes him far less credible than anyone else in the ‘dirtsheet business.’

So no, he shouldn’t be allowed as a source on this forum (or any other with a shred of dignity) because he’s been 100% exposed as a fraud.

 

[Saintpat]

Dave Meltzer is definitely living rent free in some of ya'lls minds.

Just saying.

He’s charging some of y’all $11.99 a month.

It’s the Dave Meltzer Defense Fund — you pay him and come to his defense every time he gets something wrong.

 

[Saintpat]

I mean it's one of those things where if you defend him at any aspect ever for anything... you get this type of response no matter what it may be, and vice versa. I don't talk about him all that much on here because of that.

I actually do pay this, but mostly for all the radio shows. Alvarez does a bunch like the Bryan & Vinny Show, or the shows he does with Lance Storm and Filthy Tom Lawlor. So I usually listen to like 7 or so podcasts weekly at work. Seems like a decent deal to me.

Hey I can see how some people find value in that.

But when it stretches to defend a guy as credible when he’s 100% wrong (which happens often enough) … that’s what I can’t figure.

To me he has zero credibility as a journalist because he doesn’t follow the normal, basic processes of journalism — checking out and verifying info, making sure you actually know who your source is, having another source back up an account before publishing. Journalism isn’t ‘well someone told me this,’ it’s ‘someone told me this and I know who he/she is and how they know this and I even checked it out with another person who would have knowledge and they verified it as true.’ It’s also calling the ‘other side’ and giving them the opportunity to deny it or comment on it … even if you’re sure they won’t do so, you have to give them that opportunity. Dave does none of the above.

On the other hand, I respect him as a historian. I don’t like Cornett either, but if he tells me what was happening behind the scenes at a promotion where he was working at the time he was working there, I’ll give that credence.

 

[Saintpat]

You are one of them even if you don't pay whatever it costs to subscribe. Thanks for proving my point.

I probably didn’t make my point clear: some of y’all are paying Dave $11.99 a month to have him live in your heads … so not only rent-free but they’re paying him to live there.

I’d say more but … plans changed (like they always seem to when Dave is wrong).

 

[Saintpat]

No you were very clear thus how I deduced that Dave is living in your head, rent free too.

Seems like I’m living in yours, lol.

Keep paying that $11.99 for fake news, pal.