[Roydabest]

Sometimes on this forum I encounter people that claim a heel shouldn't get cheered or he's doing a bad job, but I've got a different theory.

Heels getting slight chants forces the babyface supporters to either start booing and bring the heat or do nothing and let the heel get the babyface reaction. For instance this week on smackdown Ziggler got some applauds after a maneuver on Orton and instantly when Orton fans realized it, there was huge heat.

And also heels getting cheered doesn't mean they're doing bad, it just means there are fans that actually care about the heels and want to see them win, while faces getting booed means fans want them out of the spotlight or to lose.

What do you think?

 

[Randy Orton Trapper Of The Year]

It's not good for a heel to get cheered.

 

[VILLAIN]

If I was a heel and I was getting cheered, Id pull the Chris Jericho look when hes a heel and gets cheered. It'll be something on the lines of giving them a sigh and thinking " DONT CHEER ME YOU IDIOTS, IM A HEEL! "

 

[samizayn]

It's not good for a heel to get cheered.

^^ OP's logic is basically starting heat by mark wars. It's a heel's job to get a face cheered, not a face's job to get a heel booed.

 

[austin316 G.O.A.T]

Faces should get cheered
Heels should get booed
That's the basic rule

Heels should never be cheered

 

[Fatmanp]

All it does is highlight the outdated concept of good guys and bad guys. After the attitude era the bad guys of this era were always going to be cheered because they are essentially the closest thing to an attitude era face.

 

[ManiacMichaelMyers]

The WWE product has reverted back to the simplistic good guys vs. bad guys formula in the sense that they are force feeding it to the masses. Smarkier fans won't universally cheer the heel, but they'll cheer the heel that is connecting with them for either speaking truths (CM Punk/Lawler) or just outshining the competition in a way a smark would appreciate (Daniel Bryan/Sheamus). Smarks don't always cheer the heel (Big Show) but it's perfectly fine for each fan to cheer who they like, even if they are a heel.

Now for the average non-smark fan who does not analyze the product as we do here then it makes less sense to cheer the heel because they are being presented as being in the wrong. So the kids will still boo the heels for you.

On Sandow attacking Brodus Clay:
5 year old mark: "NO! Don't hurt Funky!" (cries)
25 year old smark: "Kill the fat bastard!" (laughs ass off)

 

[21 - 1]

I hope one day that faces and heels are done away with and we just get complex characters and get to make up our own mind who to cheer and who to boo.

In the meantime, no, it isn't good for a heel to get cheered. When that happens, they get turned face, watered down and everybody on here will piss and moan about them getting turned face because they kept cheering them.

 

[just1988]

It's not good for a heel to get cheered, it's counter-productive. It's like a comedian being booed, ruins the show.

 

[Bob the Jobber]

Why is it? Usually because that means that a wrestler is entertaining enough that the fans actually look past who they're feuding with and appreciate the work he's doing. Look at the Rock in his corporation run for instance. The fans loved him and were practically begging him to turn face. They would do his catchphrases with him and all of his attempts to turn that into more heel heat ("This isn't sing along with the champ!") only made them love him more. Stone Cold had the same mixed reaction depending on the city for much of his run up to WM13. A true megastar's presence, charisma and ability to keep the fans entertained will almost always win over the fans, Hollywood Hogan and the NWO are another example of that. Face it, most of the time heel heat is only drawn by feuding with faces, well if the heel is much more entertaining than the face eventually the fans will cheer the heel.

Two of the biggest wrestlers of all time were practically forced to turn face due to the crowds.

 

[ConnorMCFC]

I'll cheer whoever I find entertaining and I enjoy seeing. If that is the heel then I'm sorry for liking him?

 

[xerxesXXI]

Heels, in wrestling psychology, are supposed to piss off the crowd so they (the crowd) are (more) behind the babyface.

If the heel is being cheered more than the face, maybe they're not doing their job.

If a face was being booed, would anyone think they were a good babyface?

 

[Bob the Jobber]

Heels, in wrestling psychology, are supposed to piss off the crowd so they (the crowd) are (more) behind the babyface.

If the heel is being cheered more than the face, maybe they're not doing their job.

If a face was being booed, would anyone think they were a good babyface?

I really detest the "maybe they aren't doing their job" mentality. If that were true The Rock, Punk and Austin were horrible heels (HINT: they weren't). If the face they're facing can't get cheered over a heel, maybe they aren't doing their job. The booed face and cheered heel is not a good comparison. When a face is booed it usually stems from the crowd rejecting their entire character, whereas getting cheered as a heel means that they're not only doing their #1 priority (being entertaining) but also the character is more than over with the fans.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

fans should be allowed to cheer and boo who ever they want.

 

[xerxesXXI]

cool, let's disagree.

If it's they heel's job to be entertaining, why are they supposed to get heat by insulting the fans and the babyface's job to stick up for them?

And the middle part of your argument is that the heels are doing a great job as a heel, that's why they're being cheered and the face is doing a bad job so he's being booed. I don't think you can have it both ways.

 

[I'mBatman]

If I was a heel and I was getting cheered, Id pull the Chris Jericho look when hes a heel and gets cheered. It'll be something on the lines of giving them a sigh and thinking " DONT CHEER ME YOU IDIOTS, IM A HEEL! "

lol no you're fired!

 

[Bob the Jobber]

cool, let's disagree.

If it's they heel's job to be entertaining, why are they supposed to get heat by insulting the fans and the babyface's job to stick up for them?

Are you contesting that it's not a part of the entertainment package for the fans to boo the heels?

And the middle part of your argument is that the heels are doing a great job as a heel, that's why they're being cheered and the face is doing a bad job so he's being booed. I don't think you can have it both ways.

I can certainly have it that way, and I explained perfectly clearly why. Face gets booed without an intentional heel turn -> his character is getting rejected. What else could it be? A heel gets cheered it's because he's good enough that the fans want to cheer him.

Let me break it down simpler and say there's two guys getting pushed with zero charisma or personality and both are bad at their role. One is a heel and one is a face. The face eventually gets booed or receives zero reaction -- obviously a bad face. Now, the bad heel, would he get cheered because he's bad at what he's doing? Certainly not, he'd get no heat at all. The "heel that gets cheered is a bad heel" has really no basis in reality, only in a black and white "on paper" sense. Without heels such as that we'd have never had two of the biggest stars this industry has ever seen.

If what you're trying to say is correct, then you're obviously saying that Austin (1997), Rock (1999) and Punk (2011) are all terrible heels, right?

 

[xerxesXXI]

Yes, the heel would be bad at what he's doing. If his job is to be a heel, it is to get the crowd to in a state where they pay to see him get his ass kicked. That's what a heel does. I'm glad you're entertained by the heel. That's great and your choice. But if the role of a heel was simply to entertain, why wouldn't he be a babyface off the bat? Why not just have two babyfaces. One person has to be the villian, it's the way it's always been and it's the system they still use now.

You are a babyface, you have to get the crowd to pay to see you kick ass.
You are a heel, you're job is to get support for the babyface and put him over.

 

[EdgarsTeethAreDry]

I think that a heel getting cheered is a negative, however, it doesn't mean he's doing his job poorly. There is such a thing as a guy who has such charisma as a heel that it's impossible not to like them. They could be doing everything a heel should, but just be so entertaining that the fans like them. And a heel IS supposed to be entertaining. He's supposed to put the babyface over, yes, but you're also supposed to look forward to see him get his ass kicked. Sometimes a heel makes the payoff of his comeuppance so great, that you can't help but respect it. Sometimes, simply, a heel overshadows the babyface, no matter how much booking makes the babyface look better. And what are you going to do at that point? Make the heel hide his talent? The only way to fix things at that point is to turn the heel babyface. And that SHOULD be what happens. Because it is counter productive to have a cheered heel. It just isn't necessarily a poor reflection of the performer.

 

[vG-MONEYv]

Although the villains are always cooler then the heroes, they shouldn't be cheered, nor should they embrace it. Their villains.

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