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I notice that when wrestling companies outside of WWE get talked about that for most part people only mention ROH or NJPW and never MLW for some reason. Ive seen a little bit of MLW wrestling but from what I have seen it is definitely a quality wrestling company with descent promos and pretty good matches. There are wrestlers like Brian Pillman JR who is definitely making a great name for himself and developing, Davey Boy Smith is also with MLW along with Low Ki who is one of my favorite wrestlers.

They are a few examples of talented wrestlers on the MLW roster at the moment.

So is it because it's not really known about or do people think it's not as good as ROH or NJPW.
 

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Re: Why isn't MLW(Major League Wrestling)talked about as much as ROH or NJPW

I watch it every week. Even though I like it I'm not invested in a lot of guys so I can see why people sleep on it. But guys like Tom Lawlor and the new hart foundation are great and pentas always quality
 

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Re: Why isn't MLW(Major League Wrestling)talked about as much as ROH or NJPW

Hadn't even heard of it until this thread.
 

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To be fair, those companies have been around a lot longer and have bigger fanbases, hence why they're talked about more.
 

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MLW ran 18 shows last year, ROH ran like 40. MLW runs about 4 different cities, ROH ran shows in the US, Canada, England, Scotland, Japan, plus like 20 different states.

MLW's TV partner in the US averages 7,000 viewers per hour of primetime television. They put Fusion episodes up on Youtube, but only one so far has even broken 100,000 views.

The reality of it is that, no matter how good MLW is, it's just not very popular. They have good buzz but not enough people watch them.

According to the May 2015 Observer, ROH was already getting close to half a million viewers per week back then across the Sinclair TV stations alone. Now consider how many stations Sinclair has bought since then, the new networks Stadium and Charge, Fite TV, Honor Club, ROH Wrestling.com, and the online/social media feeds of Stadium and Charge. There is no definite number for how many people watch ROH TV every week but it's definitely way more than Impact, NJPW on AXS, MLW Fusion, Lucha Underground, etc.

And NJPW on AXS has been said by AXS reps to average around 200,000 per week.

That's why ROH and NJPW get talked about more. They have bigger stars, they have more visibility, they have more fans. Simple.
 

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MLW ran 18 shows last year, ROH ran like 40. MLW runs about 4 different cities, ROH ran shows in the US, Canada, England, Scotland, Japan, plus like 20 different states.

MLW's TV partner in the US averages 7,000 viewers per hour of primetime television. They put Fusion episodes up on Youtube, but only one so far has even broken 100,000 views.

The reality of it is that, no matter how good MLW is, it's just not very popular. They have good buzz but not enough people watch them.

According to the May 2015 Observer, ROH was already getting close to half a million viewers per week back then across the Sinclair TV stations alone. Now consider how many stations Sinclair has bought since then, the new networks Stadium and Charge, Fite TV, Honor Club, ROH Wrestling.com, and the online/social media feeds of Stadium and Charge. There is no definite number for how many people watch ROH TV every week but it's definitely way more than Impact, NJPW on AXS, MLW Fusion, Lucha Underground, etc.

And NJPW on AXS has been said by AXS reps to average around 200,000 per week.

That's why ROH and NJPW get talked about more. They have bigger stars, they have more visibility, they have more fans. Simple.
This, plus mlw tv show is boring.

Note to AEW, talent don't mean nothing without good storytelling. The reason why lucha underground got over with no big names. Nwa YouTube series is another good example of storytelling.
 

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Are you trying to claim that mlw's tv show is more boring than the trash ROH puts out on a weekly basis?
Yes, the low ki shanking of konnan is the only thing worth talking about. PCO was fun but he's in Roh now.

They need to build Davey Jr up as a monster.
 

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They aren't a revolutionary force, like the wheel or the motor, they are just horse drawn carriages
 

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To be fair, those companies have been around a lot longer and have bigger fanbases, hence why they're talked about more.
There was multiple page threads here before gfw or lu had even had single show due to how Jarrett and el rey were able to create buzz and hype for those shows. Cody Rhodes seems to have an ability to market things well too and even though Dixie got shit she was excellent at creating interest in terms of tv (not so much ppv).

Mlw are really bad at getting their name out or hyping their product at least online. In terms of actually getting people through the gate they have been doing well, 2,000 fans in Chicago for taping recently shows that.
 

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MLW is still VERY indy. The production of the in-ring product is really questionable (if not downright bad), they run tiny, poorly-lit venues, and they've got a lot of really unappealing talent on their show. I've tried SO HARD to follow and be into MLW and outside of the top guys it's just a really rough show.

They have a ways to go. ROH is much closer to the NXT level than MLW has ever been.
 

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Man I really want MLW to succeed.

Court comes across as such a good dude on his podcasts and interviews.

But stuff like Col. Parker and the Stud Stable, Tommy Dreamer and this "throwback vibe" that they seem to push just makes it feel a little bit dated, and therefore irrelevant. By osmosis people like Low Ki, Strickland, Lawlor and Callihan feel less significant. I get a real 80's WWF vibe from it, and not in a good way. More in a "this is corny as hell" kind of way.

I think they'd really benefit from looking at it more like a sport, which I thought they would, given that they seem to have some sort of focus on weight divisions.
 

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I think american fans will never accept wrestling as a sport. Promoters realize that would never work for the long term.
 

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Are you trying to claim that mlw's tv show is more boring than the trash ROH puts out on a weekly basis?
Last few RoH shows with new talent have been decent. In my opinion of course.

As for sports thing in MLW, I think they had Top 10 rankings early in the show? One of those stupid things that companies try to do once in a while and it flops every single time.
 

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I think american fans will never accept wrestling as a sport. Promoters realize that would never work for the long term.
Yeah, I don't think so much the fans viewing it as a legitimate sport as the actual company taking it in a slightly more serious direction. Less hokeyness and carny theatrical stuff.

I think a lot about shows like Ninja Warrior and how they fare against other shows that have physical challenges (those crazy Japanese ones come to mind) - but Ninja Warrior has gained a lot more traction because of a more competitive, mature presentation.

I think subconsciously it sends a message to the viewer of "we take this seriously, so should you".
 

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I like MLW. Lawlor, Swerve(he is going to NXT(reportedly)), and The Hart Foundation(Especially Baby Brian) are especially good. It can be dry TV though and that turns people off.
 
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