His look - he was tall, not particularly well built. He had a mediocre look.
His mic skills - were ok, nothing special. I rate Christian as having better mic skills, and even he was only just above average.
His in-ring work - solid enough. He is nowhere near a Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels though.

Edge is not elite in any of those categories. How can he then be considered one of the GOATs? He had a short shelf life, a handful of memorable matches (mostly where he was 1 of 6), a handful of highlighted feuds (all of which could have easily been placed in the midcard; it was the positioning on the card that made the feud rather than the feud that made the positioning) and, to be fair, never had the opportunity to be a draw (in the modern era, it's increasingly difficult to differentiate between the brand and the headliner).

No matter how much Vince & co try to whitewash history, Edge was a good hand who did well with the push he received in barren times, nothing more.

 

Because he wasn't great throughout his entire career.

He's one of those guys that got a big push out of nowhere...

For a couple of years...

Then he was gone.

In other words, he's a Top 50 kind of guy.

 

So being a 11 time tag team champion putting on great TLC matches 2 at wrestlemania and then having a goat event career with one headlining a wrestlemania with the undertaker isn't being a great through out his career!? You haters are a complete joke


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Because he never drew a dime. :HHH2

 

Because retiring due to injury does not equal greatness.

Nor does premature death.

Two concepts that many WWE fans cannot understand.

 

So Eddie Guerrero and Chris Benoit aren't goats because they died early!?


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If Edge never existed, the wrestling business would be the exact same.

No long term impact on the industry and didn't do anything that someone else couldn't have stepped up and done in his place.

 

Same with Shawn Bret etc, only Hogan Austin and Rock changed the business like that


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It's honestly because he didn't draw. Vince only makes a big deal out of guys who make him money or were loyal for a long time. So I doubt were going to see Edge near the pedestal of Cena, Austin, Undertaker etc. But he is still a legend. A second tier Legend.

 

Well he drew more than cena ever did


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Edge was mediocre at best, a gimmick match monkey with decent mic skills, and that's it. I enjoyed his 05-08 heel run, the only period when he was somehow above average.


But GOAT?

 

From 2000-2009, he was right behind HHH, Orton, Cena, Angle, HBK and Undertaker. But he was ahead of just about everyone else.

 

He was never a big draw,hence pepole don't consider him as GOAT.

 

Are heels supposed to be major draws? Anyways, he was on top of Smackdown during one of it's most successful periods. After he retired Smackdown was getting Impact ratings during the summer of 2011.

 

How can people look at all of Edge's accomplishments , and just say " meh "
His accomplishments and titles are endless, more titles than anyone in the history of WWE ( INCLUDING 11 TIME WORLD CHAMPION)

He has the most ****1/2+ matches in WWE 2000-2009 only tied with Chris Benoit and Kurt Angle ( tied! )
He was one of the best heels of the past 20 years, his stuff with Lita against Matt and Cena drew so much heat, and the fact how he helped Vickie become the most hated person in wrestling for nearly 3 years (2007-2010)

He has done so many great segments with the cutting Edge insulting a lot of people and drawing heat.
He was definitely not " average " one the mic, he was one the best, he was just as good as Shawn Michaels for example.

and Vince does freaking care about him(acknowledge his greatness), anyone noticing how Edge is being ranked so highly in these recent lists by WWE ( tag team and theme songs..), he was in the HOF the year after he retired.. I think a man that could carry a show for nearly 4 years ( and yes there were discussions and it was very arguable that SD was better than raw from 2007-2011) and make it compete with RAW, and as soon as he retired, no one gave a sh!t about SD anymore, and it is now officially the B show, has made his impact on Wrestling.

for example, What's next? By the time his career is over, AJ Styles won't be considered one of the best of all times because he was "never" in WWE? AJ carried an entire promotion on his back for a while, Edge did the same for SD, maybe he could have done the same for RAW, he had tons of potential, actually Edge was the hottest act of the summer 2006 of RAW.


Bottom line is :
-He wasn't average in the ring or on the mic, he was great, it's really insulting saying average to all the great promos and matches he's had ( which I'm not gona start listing)
-He has accomplished A LOT ( more than anyone dreamed he could) in a kayfabe sport
-He was part of two of the best couples in pro wrestling history ( w/ Lita and w/ Vickie)
-He was part of one the Greatest teams ever with Christian
-He was a main eventer for 5-6 years, and he was involved in the World title match at WM 4 times , closing the show once with Undertaker
-He carried SD for a while, and no one in the company could have done the same job of keeping it as relevant as he did.

 

for example, What's next? By the time his career is over, AJ Styles won't be considered one of the best of all times because he was "never" in WWE?

Pretty much. How can you be considered one of the best if you never make it to the big leagues?

 

Bottom line is :
-He wasn't average in the ring or on the mic, he was great, it's really insulting saying average to all the great promos and matches he's had ( which I'm not gona start listing)
-He has accomplished A LOT ( more than anyone dreamed he could) in a kayfabe sport
-He was part of two of the best couples in pro wrestling history ( w/ Lita and w/ Vickie)
-He was part of one the Greatest teams ever with Christian
-He was a main eventer for 5-6 years, and he was involved in the World title match at WM 4 times , closing the show once with Undertaker
-He carried SD for a while, and no one in the company could have done the same job of keeping it as relevant as he did.

Great on the mic is Roddy Piper or Jake Roberts. Edge is nowhere near that level.

Great in the ring is Bret Hart or Shawn Michaels. Edge is nowhere near that level.

Great accomplishments? Give me a break. Stallone won titles as Rocky - was that a great accomplishment? That he played him well was good, but what was great was that Stallone was a bankable movie star and that people invested emotionally as well as financially into that character. Did Edge play his character well? Yes. Did people invest emotionally and financially? Not really. His pseduo accomplishments don't shore that up, sorry.

Being part of a decent duo doesn't really mean shit. I mean, Savage and Liz were arguably the greatest couple in wrestling history but the reason why Savage is one of the GOATs is because he was one of the greatest ever in the ring, was strong on the mic, and his feuds drew money. And to tie this in with the previous point, Savage only had 2 WWF title reigns - but they eclipse Edge's because they meant more. Fans financially and emotionally invested in Savage throughout his career.

Edge's team with Christian was good. Unfortunately, that's not enough to be one of the GOATs, especially when other guys on the GOAT list were in better teams (see: Bret, Shawn).

 

Edge is probably Cena's greatest rival, so by the time Cena's career ends , none his feuds will also compare to Macho Man?
Edge's feud with Matt Hardy, the brawling and bloodiness ( not taking into account the tag team feud) for months, don't compare to anything Savage did? common man, you could say Savage's are better and I'd respect that, but don't say that "nothing edge did came close" .

Maybe Savage was a better heel in general, but it's really hard to imagine anyone playing the opportunist/cheater/coward gimmick as good as Edge and maybe evil( I doubt Savage faked love to the GM just so she could give him what he wants-the world title-) , Edge basically was booked as an opportunist champion, he would cheast against Rey Misterio for crying out loud, He used to cheat to win non-title matches even sometimes.. I'm pretty sure if Savage would have won a match clean his days it wouldn't have been as much as a shocker as Edge

I'm honestly trying to be as objective as possible but in terms of a pure wrestling match, Edge/Taker and Edge/Angle do compare to Savage/Steamboat . I don't honestly know about the couples thing, but like it or not, Edge/Lita and Edge/Vickie ( meaning when Edge was in a couple), he was the most hated man in wrestling, plus him and Lita I think are the only couple(few?) " champions " in history ( when both were champs in 06).

None of Cena's feuds involving Edge will compare to Savage's. In all likelihood, Cena's best feuds won't compare to Savage's best but that's subject to change as long as Cena's still active.

Savage's feud with Lawler was wilder then Edge/Hardy; Savage's feud with Hogan was more personal than Edge/Hardy. Think about that second one for a moment; there was some speculation that there was a shoot element to Randy/Hogan but, even if true, it was still 99% work. And yet it came across as more personal than Edge/Hardy which, in its basic premise, was a shoot.

So let me reiterate, nothing Edge has done - promo, feud, match, performance, attire(!), anything - comes close to Savage. Savage was an innovator; and he is, quite simply, light years ahead of Edge.

Re opportunist,/coward/cheater, Savage used to use Liz as a human shield. That was nuclear compared to Edge's little capgun. Savage was a better win-at-all-costs, paranoid, madman than Edge - or, in fact, anyone in the business ever.

Ok, you don't know about the couples thing. Let me explain it to you: Randy & Liz are the most famous "couple" in wrestling ever. And your points re "couples" do nothing to shore up Edge paling in comparison to Savage.

 

None of Cena's feuds involving Edge will compare to Savage's. In all likelihood, Cena's best feuds won't compare to Savage's best but that's subject to change as long as Cena's still active.

Savage's feud with Lawler was wilder then Edge/Hardy; Savage's feud with Hogan was more personal than Edge/Hardy. Think about that second one for a moment; there was some speculation that there was a shoot element to Randy/Hogan but, even if true, it was still 99% work. And yet it came across as more personal than Edge/Hardy which, in its basic premise, was a shoot.

So let me reiterate, nothing Edge has done - promo, feud, match, performance, attire(!), anything - comes close to Savage. Savage was an innovator; and he is, quite simply, light years ahead of Edge.

Re opportunist,/coward/cheater, Savage used to use Liz as a human shield. That was nuclear compared to Edge's little capgun. Savage was a better win-at-all-costs, paranoid, madman than Edge - or, in fact, anyone in the business ever.

Ok, you don't know about the couples thing. Let me explain it to you: Randy & Liz are the most famous "couple" in wrestling ever. And your points re "couples" do nothing to shore up Edge paling in comparison to Savage.

Edge used Lita and Vickie as well as a shield many times, and he just stood there while watching Taker tombstone Vickie..
And once you said "anyone in the business" I realized you're probably a huge fan of Macho Man.
I respect your opinion, and I do admit that Savage is better than Edge, but probably not " light years" as you mentioned.

 

He is certainly one of the greatest in WWE history, but not wrestling "history". Edge is easily one of the most well rounded wrestlers there ever was. Personally, he is in my top 5 all time.

 

lol @ AJ Styles being one of the best of all time even if he were to wrestle in the big leagues.

 

he was never the best in any area at any time

 

I can't really talk about Edge that much, i'd already stopped watching week in, week out by the time he became a main eventer and by the time I started watching again he was just about to retire. I loved Edge as a tag team wrestler and the start of his time as a singles wrestler was entertaining, he always seemed like a great worker but I just never associated him with being in the same class as people like Hogan and Austin.

 

He had a one of best feuds of the last decade with Undertaker, other then that, no. 2009 completely killed his momentum when he got drafted and completely lost in the shuffle.

 

Edge live sex celebration = ratings.

Daniel Bryan = lowest ratings ever.

 

I'd consider him an all-time great. There's more to being a legend than just having the highest box-office records. Edge had a very successful career, moreso than most, and a guy who carved out a place in history for himself. He helped revolutionize tag-team wrestling and had a great run as a singles guy.

 

Never really got into him other than his match against Foley.

Everything else is mediocre and I feel like someone else today could do a lot more with the opportunities Edge was given. It just made all of his pushes feel SOOO mediocre. He, himself, feels very average too.

I guess he's been around for a long time too but I'm not a novelty type of guy. Sure, he was IN all those famous TLC matches but the Hardyz and Dudleys outshone Edge/Christian miles and miles. SO I don't really give him too much credit for the stuff he was doing in the AE like some people will tend to.

 

Say what you like but the lasting memory for me, and many others was the spear on Jeff from the ladder.

 

In wrestling, since its scripted who wins title, s being one of the GOAT has less to do with the number of titles and more to do with impact.

Take someone like the rock or austin for example, they may not have had as many title reigns as edge but in their short time as THE GUY they had a much bigger impact.

 

I do consider him one of the best of all time. Not on the level of Austin, Rock, Hogan, Flair, etc. but a tier below, which is still amazing.

 

Edge was a good hand to use whenever WWE was in a tight spot. But that's really it; his reigns were numerous but very short. You could tell they were never interested in making him a main guy and having say the main show centred around him. He's good; he could have been one of the greatest of all time if used correctly.

 

He's in the second tier for me. Not Hogan-Austin-Rock-Cena level hyperstar, but great in his own right.

 

I can't think of many great singles matches he had. That probably hurts his legacy. His greatest matches he was sharing the spotlight with 5 other guys.

 

Purest example of quantity over quality this side of Randy Orton. I never got behind his main event push, honestly. Not sure why. He was great on the mic, cut some outstanding promos, but his offense always soured me on him. The spear was a weak, weak main event finish and I never bought it as legitimate. WWE always made Edge the SmackDown champ, second fiddle to Cena's (or Triple H's, Orton's) Raw. I don't think WWE ever saw him on the level of a Randy or Hunter or Cena, and that killed him a bit too.

I still think of him as a goofy tag team wrestler. Perhaps that's my own fault, but damn, if that wasn't what defined his career and legacy.

 

I understand this point of view, but IMO Edge already proved himself on RAW, he was in the RAW main event for a year and half (2006-mid 2007), he was Cena's greatest adversary (until Punk), his run from MITB winner, to WWE champion , live sex celebration, TLC with Flair, Feud with Foley, getting back in the picture, having a freaking bloody tag matcg at ECW ONS06, winning the title, feuding with Cena, slapping his father, forming rated RKO, feuding with DX..
but then Undertaker's injury happened.. and SD needed star power because at the time SD wasn't so easily considered the "B show" as it is now

Really WWE saw potential in Edge that he could carry the show( and did he ever), they didn't pick Orton to take the MITB from Kennedy , beat Undertaker and carry SD, they picked Edge..He was a good champion while it lasted, beat Batista 3 times in a row , sadly Kane injured him and we had to go trough the summer of Khali.. but once he returned he picked right where he left off, aligned himself with Vickie and became the most hated act in wrestling and world champion that would go on to carry SD

 

Because he amassed like 6 of those world titles within a matter of six months. Not the most memorable stuff those reigns.