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I understand that Kenny Omega and THE ELITE left, but I don't understand why that is something to get so worked up over?

Kenny Omega was with NJPW for a long time, completed all of his contractual obligations, and performed to the best of his abilities. His contract expired, and he opted to leave, that is life, a better option came to the table, and he went with that. It's not like NJPW was completely blindsided by the departure, they know when contracts are ending.

I understand that Kenny said that he would expand NJPW to the west, and to an extent, he definitely did, but his life priorities had changed, and it was time to move on, is that so difficult to understand?

In the case of The Young Bucks, it's even more of a headscratcher, since it's not like the tag division was an integral component to NJPW, and again, they fulfilled their obligations.

Cody was a freelancer and he was never going to be steady.

I'm just finding it hard to understand why NJPW is so upset with all of them leaving, they all gave everything to NJPW while they were there, and performed at an incredibly high level, that's all you can really ask for.

Am I missing something, is there more to the story that I don't understand?

The thought of a working relationship between the two is salivating, but based on the word going around, it seems highly unlikely for the foreseeable future.
 

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I wasn't aware they are upset with AEW at all?

Like above poster says they are just staying loyal to their agreement with ROH (for now)
 

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I wasn't aware they are upset with AEW at all?

Like above poster says they are just staying loyal to their agreement with ROH (for now)
That was the word that was going around. Pretty sure Meltzer added to that, and that whole thing with the press conference where they wouldn't even mention Kenny Omega added fuel to the fire.
 

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I understand that Kenny said that he would expand NJPW to the west, and to an extent, he definitely did, but his life priorities had changed, and it was time to move on, is that so difficult to understand?
I think they were counting more on Kenny, and to an extent the Bucks, to drive their North American expansion for the long term. They saw a better opportunity with Tony, Cody and AEW, so now they’re basically in direct competition with NJPW’s expansion plans, to the point that they’ve almost completely ground to a halt. That’s a pretty significant hit to NJPW, so I can see why AEW might not be on their Christmas card list.
 

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Kenny, Cody and Jericho were being used as their US outreach in a lot of ways. Bucks as well. AEW is basically NJPW's US outreach attempt cleaved off to start their own rival company.
 

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I'm just going to write of everything the op said because most of it isn't why New Japan isn't working with AEW. The only person New Japan aren't happy that didn't sign was Omega, the rest was expendable and easily replaceable (they have done so already). You're confusing ROH w/ New Japan.

As for why they aren't working with AEW. ROH and New Japan have had a long, stable relationship where they know the hierarchy of their relationship. New Japan aren't and shouldn't drop them just because people want "dream matches". ROH is also partners with CMLL, who have a relationship w/ New Japan that's integral for New Japan's future with their young lion system and the tours that CMLL wrestlers take part in. AEW are partners with AAA, who CMLL are hated rivals with. If New Japan partnered with AEW, they'd upset CMLL by proxy and the CMLL partnership is more important to New Japan than people realise. So that's the main reason why New Japan aren't willing to be partners with AEW, not some over exaggerated reason made by "wrestling journalists".

That's all there is to it. Jesus.
 

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I think they were counting more on Kenny, and to an extent the Bucks, to drive their North American expansion for the long term. They saw a better opportunity with Tony, Cody and AEW, so now they’re basically in direct competition with NJPW’s expansion plans, to the point that they’ve almost completely ground to a halt. That’s a pretty significant hit to NJPW, so I can see why AEW might not be on their Christmas card list.
I understand them becoming direct competition, I just feel like from NJPW's standpoint, they have to understand that there was NO POSSIBLE WAY they were going to match the financial benefits, and creative freedom that AEW was going to offer. Hell, Kenny and The Bucks turned down big money offers from WWE multiple times to stick with NJPW, that has to mean something to them.

I still think being salty about the situation does them no good whatsoever, working together would elevate both of them, and yes, they will never be #2 in America, AEW will comfortably hold that position now, but NJPW still has a lot to gain from a partnership.
 

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It's their own fault for booking that MSG show in March knowing full well a bunch of their big US stars contracts were up in January and February.

Can't blame any of those guys for leaving for better opportunities closer to their families.
 

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You have to understand Japanese culture, there's no point discussing this without it.

They value loyalty. a LOT. They invested heavily in Kenny with his Okada run and title reign. For him to decide not to re-sign breeds some hard feelings there.

That being said, they should be grateful too because if it weren't for Kenny I wouldn't have discovered NJPW and became a fan. They definitely gained from it too, even if they lost the chance to build on it.
 

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I think the Bucks said in a interview with Van Vliet that the relationship with NJPW was very bad.
This.

Nick said ‘NJPW hates us’

If true, it is because Kenny, Bucks, Cody was at the forefront of US expansion - unless you try to sell me Bullet Club is still as popular today as it was with these guys (no, its not)

I’m hoping its false and there is a big work going on - and on TNT we hear Okada’s music

Fanboy dream, but still
 

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I think they always had an idea that Kenny could and would leave when he needed to. His title run with scheduled perfectly for timing, with him putting over Tana on the way out and still being booked pretty 50/50 with Okada even when he beat him.

I think they always hedge their bets, and are just rebuilding with Jay White and other gaijin, just like they did before with Omega after AJ and Devitt left. They aren't stupid and will always have their Japanese base to draw from.
 

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The Bucks wanted a double contract with ROH and NJPW. NJPW passed on that and they left. Now they refuse to even name drop them. Kenny has the same contract that Jericho has and they haven't aproached him for a match. NJPW refused to mention AEW/DoN when they announced Moxley and during his interviews/matches. Fumi Saito said that NJPW officials told him to not mention AEW during his Moxley article for NJPWorld. So yeah, there's bad blood there. AEW wanted a partnership with them and they showed them the door and stick with ROH. Now AEW is killing ROH and they are upset at them for that as well. It's a mix of things.
 

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You have to understand Japanese culture, there's no point discussing this without it.

They value loyalty. a LOT. They invested heavily in Kenny with his Okada run and title reign. For him to decide not to re-sign breeds some hard feelings there.

That being said, they should be grateful too because if it weren't for Kenny I wouldn't have discovered NJPW and became a fan. They definitely gained from it too, even if they lost the chance to build on it.
it's businessss, international business, nobody gives a crap about traditions and culture in international business. it's a flux of money and product, simple. NJPW is a worldwide company they should understand that quite easily..

The Bucks wanted a double contract with ROH and NJPW. NJPW passed on that and they left. Now they refuse to even name drop them. Kenny has the same contract that Jericho has and they haven't aproached him for a match. NJPW refused to mention AEW/DoN when they announced Moxley and during his interviews/matches. Fumi Saito said that NJPW officials told him to not mention AEW during his Moxley article for NJPWorld. So yeah, there's bad blood there. AEW wanted a partnership with them and they showed them the door and stick with ROH. Now AEW is killing ROH and they are upset at them for that as well. It's a mix of things.
i am not sure they are mad about "new killing roh", that would be dumb. lie roh not only killed themselves, but aew isn't gonna limit its own success just to please roh lol
 

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it's businessss, international business, nobody gives a crap about traditions and culture in international business. it's a flux of money and product, simple. NJPW is a worldwide company they should understand that quite easily..


i am not sure they are mad about "new killing roh", that would be dumb. lie roh not only killed themselves, but aew isn't gonna limit its own success just to please roh lol
They absolutely are mad at them. They didn't allow DBS Jr to work Impact because they're competition to ROH and they hate them for what they did to Okada almost 10 years ago.
 

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I understand them becoming direct competition, I just feel like from NJPW's standpoint, they have to understand that there was NO POSSIBLE WAY they were going to match the financial benefits, and creative freedom that AEW was going to offer. Hell, Kenny and The Bucks turned down big money offers from WWE multiple times to stick with NJPW, that has to mean something to them.

I still think being salty about the situation does them no good whatsoever, working together would elevate both of them, and yes, they will never be #2 in America, AEW will comfortably hold that position now, but NJPW still has a lot to gain from a partnership.
Oh, I won’t disagree that it could work to both parties’ benefits to have some kind of partnership, but I can also understand why hard feelings could get in the way of that. This is not your typical corporate business here — it’s cut-throat and steeped in tradition. AEW basically pulled the rug out from under NJPW. Not saying it wasn’t deserved, either. Lots of factors come into play. It is what it is, and both parties will just have to do their own thing and stay out of each other’s way.

it's businessss, international business, nobody gives a crap about traditions and culture in international business. it's a flux of money and product, simple. NJPW is a worldwide company they should understand that quite easily..


i am not sure they are mad about "new killing roh", that would be dumb. lie roh not only killed themselves, but aew isn't gonna limit its own success just to please roh lol
Well, first, in Japan, they most certainly do give a crap about traditions and loyalty, much more than western culture.

Second, it doesn’t matter if it was intentional or collateral damage, the fact is ROH is in a much weaker position with AEW in the picture than without, and NJPW as a partner of ROH isn’t happy about it. Look at it from the inside out instead of from outside in, and it’s pretty easy to see why all sides are no longer best of friends.
 

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I mean it feels like a combination of a few things.

One is honestly The Elite leaving, specifically Omega. I mean this is the guy NJPW, after guys like Balor and AJ left them, picked to end Okada’s 2 year long title reign. The guy who left NJPW with a winning record against guys like Okada and Naito. A guy who left that forced them to switch plans for the MSG show. A guy who apparently, and this is only a rumor as far as I know, alerted NJPW he was leaving by telling a newspaper/magazine outlet as opposed to telling them. Again, that last one could be BS, but I’ve heard that as well.

Also, there’s the fact that AEW has a working relationship with AAA and NJPW works with CMLL, who don’t really mix.
 

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I understand that Kenny Omega and THE ELITE left, but I don't understand why that is something to get so worked up over?

Kenny Omega was with NJPW for a long time, completed all of his contractual obligations, and performed to the best of his abilities. His contract expired, and he opted to leave, that is life, a better option came to the table, and he went with that. It's not like NJPW was completely blindsided by the departure, they know when contracts are ending.

I understand that Kenny said that he would expand NJPW to the west, and to an extent, he definitely did, but his life priorities had changed, and it was time to move on, is that so difficult to understand?

In the case of The Young Bucks, it's even more of a headscratcher, since it's not like the tag division was an integral component to NJPW, and again, they fulfilled their obligations.

Cody was a freelancer and he was never going to be steady.

I'm just finding it hard to understand why NJPW is so upset with all of them leaving, they all gave everything to NJPW while they were there, and performed at an incredibly high level, that's all you can really ask for.

Am I missing something, is there more to the story that I don't understand?

The thought of a working relationship between the two is salivating, but based on the word going around, it seems highly unlikely for the foreseeable future.
Wouldn't you be upset if you were expanding westward and then all of a sudden a new product sprang up and stole your thunder in English? :eek:
 

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I don’t know if NJPW is really mad at AEW, since they are allowing Jericho, Moxley and Omega to work NJPW shows while under contract to AEW.

So, if AEW can allow 3 of their stars to work NJPW, NJPW can allow 3 of their stars to work AEW. Okada, KENTA, and either Ospreay or Ibushi (since I think Ospreay also has a contract with ROH) would probably be the best bets for that happening.

I also don’t think it’s impossible to see Jushin Liger in AEW before he retires either. And maybe against Brian Pillman Jr., since I’ve seen it mentioned as a desired dream match for AEW tv on a few sites.

Basically, I think the whole NJPW & AEW feud is overblown. AEW is probably the closest thing to a New America Pro Wrestling (NAPW)/ NJPW USA anyways.
 
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