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Why doesn't TNA take advantage of PG WWE more? I mean they're pretty edgy as is but I thought russo worked for wwe during the attitude era (heard he's hardcore religious now, but it doesnt seem to affect his writing)....and they could do a whole lot more to make WWE's product look like garbage to adult fans. I dont really look at it as being a cheap move, if it takes viewers away from wwe to tna?

I know it comes down to matches.... but making the storylines more badass/absurd may work?

Im probably missing something here, so if anyone can fill a brother in.........ie.

Personally, I enjoy as is, and they dont need more blood or slutty-er girls, but they could have spots that just push it to the edge once in awhile...making the viewer say 'did that just happen?!"
 

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When will people learn that PG is not really a huge reason wwe is bigger. If anything it has nothing to do with it being bigger.


Have you ever heard reasons why kids say wwe is bette.r its un fucking believable. I was never like this as a kid. Which makes me think TNA has no hope in hell.


First off the kids expect tna to be just like wwe to be good. Second they say shit like wwe is better because its in bigger aren's Or the stage sets are bigger.


The main reason wwe is a massive wrestling name brand. WWE is very good at marketing. When will people realize everything is marketing. Look at fucking Anheuser-Busch They spend hundreds of millions of dollars advertising. Also they do anything to take away from the craft beer market.

WWE spends a lot of money advertising but more hands on.


Xbox spend 500 million dollars advertising Kinect. Which is fine because a device like that and how they are advertising it. They are doing it all hands on for the people to experience it.

Ok im off topic. Biggest problem is kid wrestling fans they are fucking terrible.
 

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Why doesn't TNA take advantage of PG WWE more? I mean they're pretty edgy as is but I thought russo worked for wwe during the attitude era (heard he's hardcore religious now, but it doesnt seem to affect his writing)....and they could do a whole lot more to make WWE's product look like garbage to adult fans. I dont really look at it as being a cheap move, if it takes viewers away from wwe to tna?

I know it comes down to matches.... but making the storylines more badass/absurd may work?

Im probably missing something here, so if anyone can fill a brother in.........ie.

Personally, I enjoy as is, and they dont need more blood or slutty-er girls, but they could have spots that just push it to the edge once in awhile...making the viewer say 'did that just happen?!"
you gotta realize that Vince was there to tell russo what work and what didn't. You cant expect people to switch over to TNA just because they are "edgy", you need them to get emotionally invested in the wrestlers and you need to make them them larger than life. there is alot more to it but I gotta go to work :(
 

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Simple:

1) The booking SUCKS. Either the whole "They" storyline makes little to no sense or it's so convoluted that you would've needed notes to keep track of it all. Even then, most of it was haphazardly tossed together with the hopes it won't fly apart.

2) They don't fucking advertise. This is like Business 101 and Dixie can't even grasp that.
 

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WOAH...you should hear what Ben Croshaw has to say about kids
 

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Dixie had to ask the network if she could say "mug shit" right? Yeah, they can't be edgy like the WWF was in the late 90's. Not only that, but the market is different, people don't really prefer constant swearing and potty humour anymore, there's a reason the WWE moved to PG.

That said, they are trying pretty hard actually with the constant bleeding, Orlando Jordan spraying white stuff all over his body, the brutal matches Abyss is involved in, whatever. It's just not working.
 

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It doesn't matter what they do.
They could go squeaky clean PG or they could go extreme rated R - X with shotgun matches and knock out sex scenes.
(Even tho I believe I'd watch the KO sex scenes)
As long as Russo is booking it's still going to suck balls.
As long as Russo is booking it's still going to suck balls.
As long as Russo is booking it's still going to suck balls.
As long as Russo is booking it's still going to suck balls.
As long as Russo is booking it's still going to suck balls.
As long as Russo is booking it's still going to suck balls.
As long as Russo is booking it's still going to suck balls.
and finally in closing ....
As long as Russo is booking it's still going to suck balls.
 

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If it's already been done, it isn't as enjoyable the second time around. The WWF maximized the Attitude Era, ECW revolutionaized hardcore, and WCW had the nWo in it's original form. People aren't inclined to be interested in rehashed storylines with the same old faces that have been around for 20 years. If anything, the Attitude Era was peak height of sleezy, bloody, no limit "sports entertainment". We're past that era and if anyone wants to see bloody fights, they can watch UFC, want to see half naked chicks, go to a porn site, wants to hear cussing, youtube HBK, HHH, Austin or Rock promo's. They were the originals, along with the original nWo and original hardcore faction of wrestling (not talking about old EV2, they're past their time). You can't constantly try and re-create the past expecting people to buy into it because it's nostalgic. Nostalgia will only take your company so far.

Hogan said in an interview with Off the Record in 2002 that he wanted Vince to really push the Hulkamania brand, that there was still a place for Hulk Hogan in wrestling. However he didn't, even though Hogan was the biggest name he ever had and the guy who catapulted his company to heights never thought imagineable. He sacraficed short term revenue in order to introduce new, fresh faces to the scene, and decade after decade Vince's theory has proven to work. He's always succeeded in pushing new guys even when his competition constantly re-uses old talent and faces that people recognize.
 

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you gotta realize that Vince was there to tell russo what work and what didn't.
thanks for those that actually responded and filled me in beacuase like i said...I dont know the ins and outs and certainly dont know things ike dixie had to ask the network if she could say 'smug shit' on tv....or that russo was ultimately told what to do..thats what i was asking for

When will people learn that PG is not really a huge reason wwe is bigger. If anything it has nothing to do with it being bigger.
Who said it does? Of course it doesn't, when did anyone say it did? lol. i def wasnt insinuating anything about "why tna isnt bigger than wwe" we all know the reasons for that and that wwe has been huge forever...if anything the pg years have brought ratings down, obviously. I was saying its a way they could posssibly gain new viewers, ..or maybe some that watch wwe can watch both....That is ultimately part of any promotion's business plan

If it's already been done, it isn't as enjoyable the second time around. The WWF maximized the Attitude Era, ECW revolutionaized hardcore, and WCW had the nWo in it's original form. People aren't inclined to be interested in rehashed storylines with the same old faces that have been around for 20 years.
I never said to rehash old storylines. What, they cant spruce things up without rehashing old storylines or something? If anything, I agree with what your post...I just never said anything to warrant your post....or for you to put words in my mouth......it had nothing to do with storylines, just the rating of them
 

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It's short-sighted reasoning. You could push the envelope and make TNA edgier and more R-rated, and that might even help the ratings for the short term, but the fact is that there's only so far you can go. And once you've reached the limit of edginess, everything after that will be seen as stale and weak. The shock value will wear off, leaving you even worse than where you started.

TNA simply needs to work on coming up with compelling stories to go with their stellar in-ring work. Profanity, blood and smut aren't needed.
 

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OK Let's break this PG BULLSHIT one last time. You do not need to be restricted or X to tell a great adventurous violent story. Star wars Episode 5 The Empire Strikes Back, violent familial situation , Limb removal, hostage situations. full on gun battles, PG.
 

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They are going to make the WWE's product look like garbage by doing what? Putting on Jerry Springer garbage? I don't think so.

You can't be "edgy" anymore. We are desensitized to nearly everything. I can go on the internet and find someone getting shot and killed foreal or any other fucked up shit that I wanted to see. In 1999, it was a lot harder and a lot more "groundbreaking" to see some of that shit.

I'll tell you what appeals to me as an adult, things that make sense. Storylines that make sense. Matches that make sense. Not something that makes me think, "wow that was stupid"
 

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I love how people think that the best way to take advantage of the WWE being PG is to somehow go X-rated or something. Actually, TNA would gain more by doing the opposite: by following suit and going PG themselves.

They need to start thinking like a sports team, the way the WWE do - younger fans are the lifeblood of a product. Go PG, appeal to parents and kids alike and try and attract some younger fans for themselves.

But, hey, that would be too much like trying to appeal to the masses rather than the internet, so they probably shouldn't do that. After all, we all know the IWC is where the money is at.
 

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The title just has given me horrible thoughts of paedophilia.
TNA: "Now you want to remove your pants, now no need to tell anyone about this, this can be our little secret."
 

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Simple:

1) The booking SUCKS. Either the whole "They" storyline makes little to no sense or it's so convoluted that you would've needed notes to keep track of it all. Even then, most of it was haphazardly tossed together with the hopes it won't fly apart.

2) They don't fucking advertise. This is like Business 101 and Dixie can't even grasp that.
Maybe she didn't pass that class.
 

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I love how people think that the best way to take advantage of the WWE being PG is to somehow go X-rated or something. Actually, TNA would gain more by doing the opposite: by following suit and going PG themselves.

They need to start thinking like a sports team, the way the WWE do - younger fans are the lifeblood of a product. Go PG, appeal to parents and kids alike and try and attract some younger fans for themselves.

But, hey, that would be too much like trying to appeal to the masses rather than the internet, so they probably shouldn't do that. After all, we all know the IWC is where the money is at.
I respectfully disagree.
TNA doesn't need to go X-rated...but to follow WWE with the PG thing isn't such a good idea imo. While its still good to bring in kids the core demographic for pro wrestling is STILL 18-30. WWE creative is halfway decent so they can make a show PG yet interesting. TNA doesn't have such a luxury and will shoot themselves in the foot trying to copy Vince's PG theme
 
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