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Who did CM Punk put over? who did he catapult into the main event?

Whereas Triple H put over Kurt Angle in 2000, Batista, The Shield(Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, Roman Reigns), Daniel Bryan and anyone associated with him as allies(Randy Orton, Batista, Stephanie Mcmahon when she turned heel and joined him in 1999, The Shield when they were apart of The Authority)

Triple H had The Shield go over Evolution, and beat Batista, Orton and Triple H in one sweep without any Shield member being eliminated at Payback 2014,

Whereas you have CM Punk who beats The Shield in a 3 on 1 handicap match at TLC 2013, which was utter bullshit.

Then they have the audacity to paint CM Punk as some sort of hero and Triple H as a villain?
:eek:ut

If anything CM Punk rarely, if ever put over new talent and never made a star. it's very hypocritical of Punk fans. stuff like this needs to be called out on.
 

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Punk put over HHH when he was probably at his peak in popularity.
:ha #1 , Triple H was already over and extremely popular, more popular in his DX days alone(not even counting 1999-2001) than CM Punk ever was.

#2 , CM Punk failed to draw huge at Money in the Bank and Summerslam 2011, the Summer of Punk experiment failed, Punk had no drawing ability to put over Triple H whatsoever.
 

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rewatch punks title reign. he had defeats at the hands of ziggler,tensai, bryan, kane, ryback, and more. all those that beat him looked stronger than they did b4. ffs tensai and ziggler beat him.
 

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Ive been saying this for a while

Punk buries Mysterio, literally kills Hardys career, goes over Cena, edge, jericho, daniel bryan,

But its a huge deal that Triple H beat him... give me a break

Not to mention HE BEAT THE ENTIRE SHIELD!!!!!!!
And the thing is they had Triple H beat Punk for a future build up, however Punk failed to draw. Triple H had every right to beat Punk, since Punk already buried himself at Money in the Bank and Summerslam 2011 by failing to draw.

Also add CM Punk winning the World Title on his Raw debut, talk about Overpushed.
 
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Triple H harmed Orton more often than not (Royal Rumble 2005, WM 25) and he never put Angle over in 2000.

You have to BE in a position to put over others and Punk simply wasn't solidified enough to BE in that position to give a good rub until after his 435 day title reign when he was feuding with Rock, Taker, and Lesnar (all losses though). Punk had to receive rubs first in order to give out rubs otherwise they wouldn't mean anything. Do you think if Punk had dropped the WWE Title to Daniel Bryan at Over The Limit '12 that Bryan would've received a big putover? I don't think so. If Punk had been given the strap and headlined WM XXX and dropped it to Bryan, THEN THAT would have been a rub. It's like asking who Triple H put over in 1999 and 2000 when he was still being solidified himself. It wasn't until 2001 and after that he was able to start putting people over (which he didn't until 2004).
 

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Idk about the whole drawing situation. The E was in pretty bad shape and Punk stepped up and gave it a little breath of life. Watching Raw before MITB was hard to watch because of the huge lack of star power outside of Cena
 

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Punk was treated like a midcarder during his WWE Championship run.

Why WOULD anyone expect him to put someone over? He wasn't in the position required to do that. HE was the one who needed putting over. It should've happened during Summer of Punk 2, but HHH put a stop to that.

Funny enough, given the thread subject.
 

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Punk had to receive rubs first in order to give out rubs otherwise they wouldn't mean anything.
And Punk received more than enough rubs:

- Beat Edge on his Raw debut for the World Title

-Beat One of WWE's Top Draws in Jeff Hardy in 2009

-Beat Rey Mysterio in 2010

-Beat Top Draw John Cena in 2011

So that excuse is invalid.

Punk was treated like a midcarder during his WWE Championship run.
Because he was drawing like a mid carder.

Why WOULD anyone expect him to put someone over?
Because he was in the main event and received multiple rubs.

He wasn't in the position required to do that.
Sure Punk wasn't a draw, but he certainly was in position to put someone over as he was written in the main event scene.

HE was the one who needed putting over. It should've happened during Summer of Punk 2, but HHH put a stop to that.
What are you talking about? Summer of Punk was over by the time Triple H vs CM Punk happened, CM Punk failed to draw

That's not how it works, beating someone in a match doesn't make you a huge draw, plenty of people have beaten Triple H and didn't become huge draws.
 

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And Punk received more than enough rubs:

- Beat Edge on his Raw debut for the World Title

-Beat One of WWE's Top Draws in Jeff Hardy in 2009

-Beat Rey Mysterio in 2010

-Beat Top Draw John Cena in 2011

So that excuse is invalid.



Because he was drawing like a mid carder.



Because he was in the main event and received multiple rubs.



Sure Punk wasn't a draw, but he certainly was in position to put someone over as he was written in the main event scene.



What are you talking about? Summer of Punk was over by the time Triple H vs CM Punk happened, CM Punk failed to draw

That's not how it works, beating someone in a match doesn't make you a huge draw, plenty of people have beaten Triple H and didn't become huge draws.
dud he was booked like complete shit after beating all those guys.
 

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These types of discussions are mind-numbingly moot.

For starters, you're assuming CM Punk has this much power to:

-choose who he wants to work with
-handpick a potential star
-put over said star where hopefully WWE doesn't fuck that said star right back into irrelevance

Not to mention no where in Punk's career where he was given that torch to pass on to begin with. All the while getting destroyed by part timers.

While Triple H has been given the ball, hands over the ball, given the ball again, passes the ball rinse repeat etc..
 

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There is no comparison between Triple H and CM Punk. Triple H has been a big main eventer for many years now. He's had plenty of time to put over talent and make them into stars, which he has.

CM Punk on the otherhand hasn't been in the main event scene long enough to warrant that kind've criticism. His big push to the main event happened in 2011, which is more or less 3 and a half years ago. When you consider his absence this past year, he's only been a main eventer for over 2 years really. Not really long enough to be expected to put people over and elevate them or something. But you also have to consider that he's had to deal with a lot of shit over the years too.

All in all, I wouldn't hold it against Punk. Now if he didn't to put people over after 5 - 10 years as a main eventer, then I would start to complain. But i'm sure Punk would put people over if it meant something. Like for instance, he'd put over Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins alright, and he'd probably do the same for Antonio Cesaro too. Maybe some other indy talents as well.
 

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:ha #1 , Triple H was already over and extremely popular, more popular in his DX days alone(not even counting 1999-2001) than CM Punk ever was.

#2 , CM Punk failed to draw huge at Money in the Bank and Summerslam 2011, the Summer of Punk experiment failed, Punk had no drawing ability to put over Triple H whatsoever.
You don't become a fucking big draw in 2 months or whatever. They booked Punk like shit after he returned.
 

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Why would Punk be putting people over lol? His push only started in 2011 and after that he lost every big match. You can't put people over without properly being established.
 

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Probably because Triple H is a part timer whose best days in the ring are behind him. While Punk was still a guy who was just making his way to solidifying his role in WWE as a permanent main eventer. He wasn't anywhere near being in the same position HHH was of being a main eventer for over a decade who by now beating him would be a huge deal.
 

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Who did CM Punk put over? who did he catapult into the main event?

Whereas Triple H put over Kurt Angle in 2000, Batista, The Shield(Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, Roman Reigns), Daniel Bryan and anyone associated with him as allies(Randy Orton, Batista, Stephanie Mcmahon when she turned heel and joined him in 1999, The Shield when they were apart of The Authority)

Triple H had The Shield go over Evolution, and beat Batista, Orton and Triple H in one sweep without any Shield member being eliminated at Payback 2014,

Whereas you have CM Punk who beats The Shield in a 3 on 1 handicap match at TLC 2013, which was utter bullshit.

Then they have the audacity to paint CM Punk as some sort of hero and Triple H as a villain?
:eek:ut

If anything CM Punk rarely, if ever put over new talent and never made a star. it's very hypocritical of Punk fans. stuff like this needs to be called out on.
Do you wanna make your hate anymore obvious? :lol

It was hard enough for Punk to get into a position of prominence for his first 5-6 years it was a struggle. When he simply made it to the top after MITB 2011 I don't really think he was ever in a position or solidified enough to be putting others over. He put Reigns over in early 2014 but I don't think he was in a position to be handing out wins to others as it was a struggle for a long time for him to even reach the top.

HHH was a maineventer for 10 years plus and losing wouldn't hurt him anywhere near as much as it would Punk.

But keep on hating, I am enjoying your flawed philosophies.
 

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This is an apples and oranges argument. Let's just pick Cena or Stone Cold or Rock or some guy who actually had enough power to have a real hand in putting someone over. Why do you choose HHH vs. CM Punk for this argument? HHH is the COO of the company and Punk is who? A guy who walked out of his contract and left the company behind. How is he relevant to this argument now?

Plus there aren't a ton people saying HHH doesn't put talent over. They say he has a huge ego, (he does), he uses his golden shovel (at times), he hogs the spotlight (he does), he gives long winded promos (he does) but I haven't heard many argue that he doesn't put guys over in the ring.

This just looks like a CM Punk mark bait thread.
 
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