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Re: Why did Cena vs Orton never 'take off'?

This was their best match, and it probably was the hottest Orton ever was. He spent the summer going through RVD, HBK, AND Dusty Rhodes leading up to this match and WWE decided to let Cena go over him and Orton took a big hit after that match and was never quite seen as a threat again to Cena
Yeah - this. He should have won that match too. Him losing at Summerslam 07' made no sense. Typical counterproductive WWE booking. Can't believe it's been almost a decade now.

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Orton probably the most talented guy of the last 16 years, more than Cena-Batista-Lesnar-Bryan ecc ecc but in the ring he is just LAZY
Uncomfortable truth for most people on here - one that most are not willing to admit, but well aware of. It's also RKO's own doing though, partially - due to the point that you've mentioned. He's the perfect old school heel of the 21st century.
 

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Re: Why did Cena vs Orton never 'take off'?

It's just that Cena and Orton don't have any chemistry together so they just stink up the joint with their boring matches like at RR '14.

Cena's best opponent was Punk. Has Orton EVER had a great match? I guess Flair or Undertaker carried him to good match but they don't call him boreton for nothing. He doesn't have a legendary rival.
What a terrible, terrible post. I'm not even going to bother with this delusion
 

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Was just watching some of their matches and it struck me they ve never had a 1 on 1 at Mania or been built as a massive rivalry.

When you think of austin and rock, they were the 2 biggest at that time. Cena and Orton were the biggest of their time so why was it not built up the same.

I beleive they could have been built against each other MUCH better and a 1 on 1 at mania for the title at their peak would have been epic.
Biggest of their time doesn't mean much and both were/are charisma vacuums.
 

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Because it never felt like a true rivalry. It never felt personal. It never felt urgent. It just felt like two young guys fighting because they're two young guys who the company wanted to push.
I always felt that Edge was the heel in Cena's face reigns. Their feud was million times better than what Cena/Orton tried to have.

Cena/Orton matches were so awkward to watch that i skipped them on their latest feud. Especially the match they had in RR PPV few years ago. It came across as if neither were even trying to have a good match. More like "lets get this out of the way" type of thing.
 

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Because they both never proceeded to step forward out of the infancy of their gimmicks.
 

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Re: Why did Cena vs Orton never 'take off'?

Cena was younger, more durable and had the clean image they wanted. Especially after the Benoit tragedy.
The Benoit tragedy wasn't until 2007, according to you (or whoever the other guy was quoting) they started pushing Cena over Batista in 2005. So it doesn't make sense.
 

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Just like someone else said, Orton was never, ever as big a deal as Cena. Number 2 was obviously Batista and CASUALS were obviously wanting to see Cena VS Batista. It wasn't believable.

It was like the biggest rivalry of the attitude era was Stone Cold Steve Austin VS Kurt Angle or Chris Jericho. It could've been a big deal as a normal feud, but this was called the biggest feud of the modern era. It failed.

ORTON was also never the number 2 guy so a mania main event with Cena wouldn't be a huge deal.

From 2005-2007, Cena and Batista
From 2008-2009, Cena and Triple H
From 2010- to half of 2011, Cena. And maybe Edge.
2011-2013, Cena, Punk and Bryan.
2014 was the Shield, Brock and Cena.
2015 was Rollins and Reigns.

Only time Orton was important was at the end of 2010 and in the middle of 2011 and his occasional pushes. And he was still never number 2.

Better question is how did Cena VS Batista mania main event never happen yet.
Well, technically, Batista/Cena was the main event of WM26. They were the biggest billed match heading into the show. They just didn't close because HBK was hanging it up, but that doesn't mean much. Ric Flair/HBK would've been the main event of WM24 had Ric accepted the gesture back then, but he didn't because he thought a title match should close. HBK obviously thinks differently.

Batista/Cena was being built up for the main event of WM25 too. It was subtle but it was apparent it was happening. You had Batista/Cena have one match where Batista won, with Cena hinting that was just one night he lost, and then later both of them were being kept away from each other. Obviously, Batista ended up injured, but it's pretty clear WWE wasn't going to do Edge/Big Show or Edge/Big Show/Cena as one of the main events. They were even trying to get Cena/Hogan sorted out in February of that year, and even that fell through.

They had to go through the whole trouble of making Edge lose one title and get a different title in the same night just to try and set things up. That entire feud felt like a filler one, and it was a title match at Mania involving Cena of all people.
 

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Well, technically, Batista/Cena was the main event of WM26. They were the biggest billed match heading into the show. They just didn't close because HBK was hanging it up, but that doesn't mean much. Ric Flair/HBK would've been the main event of WM24 had Ric accepted the gesture back then, but he didn't because he thought a title match should close. HBK obviously thinks differently.

Batista/Cena was being built up for the main event of WM25 too. It was subtle but it was apparent it was happening. You had Batista/Cena have one match where Batista won, with Cena hinting that was just one night he lost, and then later both of them were being kept away from each other. Obviously, Batista ended up injured, but it's pretty clear WWE wasn't going to do Edge/Big Show or Edge/Big Show/Cena as one of the main events. They were even trying to get Cena/Hogan sorted out in February of that year, and even that fell through.

They had to go through the whole trouble of making Edge lose one title and get a different title in the same night just to try and set things up. That entire feud felt like a filler one, and it was a title match at Mania involving Cena of all people.
Well they had their match at a summerslam but they could made it bigger. My opinion,the biggest and best time to do John Cena VS Batista was Wrestlemania 24. For the WWE title. But by And Wrestlemania 26 was booked badly. end of 2007, ii feel that fans accepted that Cena was the defacto bigger STAR. If the end of 2007, Batista was booked a lot better and actually had a proper feud while Undertaker VS Edge was happening. If Batista beat Orton for the WWE title then beat Hardy at the rumble. Replace Orton with Batista in the rumble and start a feud against Triple H. Cena wins the rumble.

And you got one of the biggest manias of all time:

Shawn Michaels VS Ric Flair
Triple H VS Randy Orton
Undertaker VS Edge
And the main event,the biggest main event since austin-rock. Batista VS Cena for the title. I know that match would sell like a mothafucker, and make Vince really rich. It would truly sell out mania 24.

This could also start a good Triple H VS Randy Orton feud. Hunter wins at mania 24 humiliating Orton,and Orton would want sweet revenge against Hunter, wins at 25,

Also Wrestlemania 26 Cena/Batista was bad. Now I agree that Cena should have won. But they should not have continued after mania. And it should have been a face VS face match. Heel Batista was obviously losing against Cena. Wrestlemania 24, Batista wins. mania 26, Cena wins, then Batista leaves for Hollywood. Gets extremely big over there while Cena becomes the biggest wrestling STAR since Rock. Both come back and co main event mania 30 together with a nice competitive match but Cena (who turned out to be the bigger STAR) wins by an inch. Both show respect and say their dues saying that the old ruthless aggression era has successfully finished while the new era begins with the Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, Bray Wyatt and Daniel Bryan if he didn't get injured. Add Kevin Owens when he comes back.
 

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Just like someone else said, Orton was never, ever as big a deal as Cena. Number 2 was obviously Batista and CASUALS were obviously wanting to see Cena VS Batista. It wasn't believable.



It was like the biggest rivalry of the attitude era was Stone Cold Steve Austin VS Kurt Angle or Chris Jericho. It could've been a big deal as a normal feud, but this was called the biggest feud of the modern era. It failed.



ORTON was also never the number 2 guy so a mania main event with Cena wouldn't be a huge deal.



From 2005-2007, Cena and Batista

From 2008-2009, Cena and Triple H

From 2010- to half of 2011, Cena. And maybe Edge.

2011-2013, Cena, Punk and Bryan.

2014 was the Shield, Brock and Cena.

2015 was Rollins and Reigns.



Only time Orton was important was at the end of 2010 and in the middle of 2011 and his occasional pushes. And he was still never number 2.



Better question is how did Cena VS Batista mania main event never happen yet.


(2014 was Bryan ) haha


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Well they had their match at a summerslam but they could made it bigger. My opinion,the biggest and best time to do John Cena VS Batista was Wrestlemania 24. For the WWE title. But by And Wrestlemania 26 was booked badly. end of 2007, ii feel that fans accepted that Cena was the defacto bigger STAR. If the end of 2007, Batista was booked a lot better and actually had a proper feud while Undertaker VS Edge was happening. If Batista beat Orton for the WWE title then beat Hardy at the rumble. Replace Orton with Batista in the rumble and start a feud against Triple H. Cena wins the rumble.

And you got one of the biggest manias of all time:

Shawn Michaels VS Ric Flair
Triple H VS Randy Orton
Undertaker VS Edge
And the main event,the biggest main event since austin-rock. Batista VS Cena for the title. I know that match would sell like a mothafucker, and make Vince really rich. It would truly sell out mania 24.

This could also start a good Triple H VS Randy Orton feud. Hunter wins at mania 24 humiliating Orton,and Orton would want sweet revenge against Hunter, wins at 25,

Also Wrestlemania 26 Cena/Batista was bad. Now I agree that Cena should have won. But they should not have continued after mania. And it should have been a face VS face match. Heel Batista was obviously losing against Cena. Wrestlemania 24, Batista wins. mania 26, Cena wins, then Batista leaves for Hollywood. Gets extremely big over there while Cena becomes the biggest wrestling STAR since Rock. Both come back and co main event mania 30 together with a nice competitive match but Cena (who turned out to be the bigger STAR) wins by an inch. Both show respect and say their dues saying that the old ruthless aggression era has successfully finished while the new era begins with the Roman Reigns, Seth Rollins, Dean Ambrose, Bray Wyatt and Daniel Bryan if he didn't get injured. Add Kevin Owens when he comes back.
It's about circumstance though.

WM24 wasn't possible because Batista wanted a lighter schedule around that time. Thanks to Taker getting injured as soon as he got the title, and Edge basically getting injured again in 2007, Batista was basically the workhorse all that year on Smackdown. He had a lot of tours and matches, and felt like he was burning out. He took on a reduced schedule until he came to Raw in mid-2008.

I agree with you that was the perfect time for their match simply because Batista was coming off a great year, and so was Cena, but unfortunately it wasn't possible because Batista wanted a break.

As for WM25 and WM26, those were the only two times they could've done that match. Batista's injury messed up WM25, and WM26 was WWE's last chance. Batista had notified Vince McMahon that he was planning on leaving the WWE in 2009. He gave them ample notice so they could prepare for what they needed to.

You'll notice this is why Edge gets a sudden face turn in 2010, and how WWE is all about trying to push guys like Sheamus straight to the top. Not only was HBK about to leave, so was Batista. And Taker and HHH were on their last legs as full-time wrestlers.

This is why WWE had Batista turn heel, and build up to the Cena feud. Yeah, it's unfortunate that they had him go out by losing constantly, but that's how it is when you leave. You lose on your way out, and they weren't going to have Batista beat Cena again when he'd already beat him clean in their only match ever as faces, and was walking out the door.
 

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It's about circumstance though.

WM24 wasn't possible because Batista wanted a lighter schedule around that time. Thanks to Taker getting injured as soon as he got the title, and Edge basically getting injured again in 2007, Batista was basically the workhorse all that year on Smackdown. He had a lot of tours and matches, and felt like he was burning out. He took on a reduced schedule until he came to Raw in mid-2008.

I agree with you that was the perfect time for their match simply because Batista was coming off a great year, and so was Cena, but unfortunately it wasn't possible because Batista wanted a break.

As for WM25 and WM26, those were the only two times they could've done that match. Batista's injury messed up WM25, and WM26 was WWE's last chance. Batista had notified Vince McMahon that he was planning on leaving the WWE in 2009. He gave them ample notice so they could prepare for what they needed to.

You'll notice this is why Edge gets a sudden face turn in 2010, and how WWE is all about trying to push guys like Sheamus straight to the top. Not only was HBK about to leave, so was Batista. And Taker and HHH were on their last legs as full-time wrestlers.

This is why WWE had Batista turn heel, and build up to the Cena feud. Yeah, it's unfortunate that they had him go out by losing constantly, but that's how it is when you leave. You lose on your way out, and they weren't going to have Batista beat Cena again when he'd already beat him clean in their only match ever as faces, and was walking out the door.
Wow its too bad to hear about Batista and his sacrifice to carry Smackdown but I still think if Batista held it together for a few months. Cena VS Batista was very possible. But what can you do. If circumstances were better, we could have had the second coming of Austin/Rock in terms of buyrates and money.
 

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Wow its too bad to hear about Batista and his sacrifice to carry Smackdown but I still think if Batista held it together for a few months. Cena VS Batista was very possible. But what can you do. If circumstances were better, we could have had the second coming of Austin/Rock in terms of buyrates and money.
I wouldn't call it a sacrifice. He was Smackdown's tour leader since he went there in 2005. It's kind of his job. He just got burnt out and needed a little bit of a break.
 
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