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That's a lie created by Net fans...there is no proof ANYWHERE that Cena has sold anywhere near that much merchandise..that's NwO shirt territory..that's insanity
It's not a lie so much as internet fans not even understanding what they read. I've called out Dave on his false information before but he never responds. He's using a report which he didn't even understand correctly. For lifetime merchandise, Cena is behind both Austin and Hogan still.
 

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Even if Cena was ahead of Austin and Hogan and NWO, you'd have to take into account the internet as well as Cena simply having much more merchandise. Not that this really has anything to do with the discussion, but just pointing that out.
 

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Right, availability and inflation are also important factors. Hogan made most of his sales at live events. WWE today makes most of its merchandise sales elsewhere. That certainly helps and it's a part of the product changing. It's always said to see Hogan discredited on these forums so often. No other wrestler was as part of pop culture like he was.

To give an example of what I mean, WWE's profit in fiscal 2000 was around $80 million without the XFL disaster included (they lost something like $60 million thanks to Vince trying this). If we adjusted that to today, it would be around $100 million. That's double what WWE did last year in profit.

That profit was without huge TV licensing deals, Mattel deals, sponsorships, advertising deals. It's also without the benefit of international live events and a 1/3 less live events. It's also without the benefit of having your merchandise being sold online and also money made through digital media and other classic catalogues WWE has.

The stars of yesterday were already doing much more with far less. They did it by putting asses in seats. They generated new revenue streams. They didn't have 85 live events every quarter as well as international tours because there was only one roster.

This is why the superstars of today have overrated drawing power. You can never compare Cena's drawing ability to someone like Hogan, Austin or Rock because he's not really doing much even with no competition and the business having expanded like it has (thanks to Austin and Rock no less). While revenues are down, profits are up. Again, thanks to business streamlining.

Either way, I'd ignore Dave's posts when it comes to things like this. He's always spreading false info and never responds when corrected, then continues to do the same in other threads.
 

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You could probably add 25 to 50 percent to Hogan's total if it was easy to sell merchandise online in the 80's as it is today. hell it might have even double or tripled his sales.

Plus how much did a shirt cost back then, ten dollars?
 

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You could probably add 25 to 50 percent to Hogan's total if it was easy to sell merchandise online in the 80's as it is today. hell it might have even double or tripled his sales.

Plus how much did a shirt cost back then, ten dollars?
I dunno how much Hogan's merchandise was, but all of Cena's gear (t-shirt, baseball cap, wristband, chain, etc.) costs a small fortune. Jesus Christ. Next time you see a little boy with all that Cena gear, just remember that what he's wearing is probably worth more than a 3rd world country. This is why people think he's sold as much as Hogan and Austin.
 

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he has put over sheamus, Edge(who was already over), Randy Orton(again already over) and Batista(already over) so basically sheamus was the only man he put over, where you see guys like HHH, Rock, Taker,HBK,Austin,Jericho,Angle, put over guys to make them rising stars.
And even when he put sheamus over it was just a table match. They didn't have Sheamus actually pin him in a match.
 

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Edge
RVD
Swagger (One great match actually seemed to make the IWC warm up to him very quickly)
Ziggler (Great match on RAW, let Ziggler get in a lot of offence)
Orton
Nexus (For a short period)
Sheamus (Lost clean in a tables match)

I must say though it is very very rare to see Cena lose cleanly without a gimmick match being involved. I actually can't think of a time he has lost in that way apart from HBK in 2007 on RAW.
 

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Only person Cena has closely come to putting over is Edge. Cuz Edge really became the Rated R Superstar cuz of Cena other than that nobody else. Orton was already big someone even said HHH and NOC 08 which is probably the most stupidest thing ive read. How can someone put HHH over at this stage of his career, Sheamus cuz he slipped and fell on the table, not Wade barrett cuz he singe handily beat Nexus, as of right now not Miz either. One match that came to me that i thought buried Miz was that time on Raw. Miz dominated the WHOLE match the WHOLE freaking match Cena pulled out like 4 moves and Miz tapped.
 

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Austin wasn't on top long enough to put anyone over. He was out most of the 4 years he was on top and then he walked out twice and retired. You can't really fault Austin's tenure or blame him for not making new stars.

Again, Hogan put over (this is the WWE section):

Ultimate Warrior (Wrestlemania VI)
The Undertaker (Survivor Series 1991)
Yokozuna (King of the Ring 1993)
The Rock (passed the torch, Wrestlemania X8)
Brock Lesnar (8/8/2002 episode of Smackdown! before Summerslam 2002)


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John Cena has the same type of booking as Hogan but far worse. They don't call him Super Cena for nothing. He no sells attacks and when he is viciously attacked, he does not have any signs of injury e.g. bandages. John Cena is the worst face you can have but he is shoved down our throats. Cena is overrated as a draw and his merchandise sales are behind Austin and Hogan. Your top face shouldn't be booed out of the building every other night. Cena doesn't have any longevity or value in the long run like Hogan did. Cena has to have a legendary heel turn/run to restart his so-called face run. Cena always look stronger in all the feuds he is in. Cena has not put anyone over and there's no one in the company that needs a rub because they are not strong enough to take Cena's place. Cena is the best the WWE can do.
ill give you taker and warrior, but yoko hogan was leaving to wcw so he had to lose the title and lets not mention him taking the title off yokozuna by playing im hogan card, the rock was already one of the biggest stars ever and it would ahve been dumb for hogan to lose to the rock at that time, and lesnar didnt lesnar already beat the undertaker at this pt and hogan was well over the hill and couldnt pull ill just quit cause wcw was gone, only thing he has truely put over is his next pay check
 

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he has put over sheamus, Edge(who was already over), Randy Orton(again already over) and Batista(already over) so basically sheamus was the only man he put over
Woh woh woh.

Hold up.

Just because some of these guys were in the main event when Cena feuded with them, that doesn't mean he didn't put them over. The fact is that being a main eventer isn't the highest you can go, it's about solidifying someone as a threat, making them a solid main event mainstay, giving them their position as a certainty.

You can't seriously tell me that Edge wasn't better off after his feud with Cena. Yes, Edge was over but Cena did a good job putting him further so.
He no sells attacks and when he is viciously attacked, he does not have any signs of injury e.g. bandages.
He obviously does sell attacks or his back would never touch the mat.

Oh and the bandages thing is Management's call, not Cena's. I thought that would be obvious?
Cena has nothing to do with Edges accolades.
lolwut?
 

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Re: Who has Cena \'put over\'?

-Umaga
-Great Khali
-Batista
-Randy Orton
-Edge
-Wade Barrett
-Evan Bourne (to an extent)
-Sheamus

Anyone who works a program with Cena usually benefits. Regardless if they come out the victor, they are placed on a main-event pedestal, with the opportunity.
 

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No one looks good after a feud with Cena, Edge being the only exception. Even if they look halfway threatening at some stage (see Barrett, Batista), it always ends with the same superman finish where his no selling makes it clear that no-one in WWE is in the same universe as him.

It's not a matter of clean wins or losses, its about his inability to make his opponent look good during the matches. Compare any SuperCena match to when Angle was playing the superman character in TNA, he still always won but the opponents walked away looking like legit threats, even more so than before they lost.

Also... Orton is the worst possible example in Cena's favour. Before Cena, he was WWE champ. After Cena, he was losing to Kofi Kingston, of all people.
 

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Re: Who has Cena \'put over\'?

Umaga was built as a monster but Cena went over him twice and he never got his credibility back. The exact same case for Khali here too. Also the same case during Big Show's heel run a couple of years ago

Batista was already over and Cena went over him in all of their matches.

Orton was already over as well and once again Cena won all of their matches besides the HIAC, where Cena got right back up after being punted

Barrett was booked strong but once again Cena went over and Barrett went down the card

Bourne won a tag match with Cena once but he went right back to being a jobber

Sheamus's title win was looked at as a fluke and he never was able to win a match clean.

Edge had a great feud with Cena for sure, but Cena took Edge's belt from him 2 weeks after he won it while he was having an entertaining reign while it lasted. Edge already had a lot of heat before the feud started but it probably helped, although Cena went over in this feud too.
 

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Nobody. People may have benefit from feuding with him but Cena has never "officially" put anybody over.

Barrett couldn't beat him clean.
Orton couldn't beat him clean.
Sheamus couldn't beat him clean.
Jericho couldn't beat him clean.
Edge couldn't beat him clean.
JBL couldn't beat him clean.
Punk couldn't beat him clean.
And Miz likely won't beat him clean.

The only one allowed to pin John Cena CLEAN with zero shenanigans is Triple H. Besides that, the last time John Cena was pinned cleanly was by HBK in April 2007. And that was in England.
 

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Re: Who has Cena \\\'put over\\\'?

Umaga was built as a monster but Cena went over him twice and he never got his credibility back. The exact same case for Khali here too. Also the same case during Big Show\'s heel run a couple of years ago

Batista was already over and Cena went over him in all of their matches.

Orton was already over as well and once again Cena won all of their matches besides the HIAC, where Cena got right back up after being punted

Barrett was booked strong but once again Cena went over and Barrett went down the card

Bourne won a tag match with Cena once but he went right back to being a jobber

Sheamus\'s title win was looked at as a fluke and he never was able to win a match clean.

Edge had a great feud with Cena for sure, but Cena took Edge\'s belt from him 2 weeks after he won it while he was having an entertaining reign while it lasted. Edge already had a lot of heat before the feud started but it probably helped, although Cena went over in this feud too.
Heel\'s aren\'t supposed to look credible. Cena lost to Batista clean at Summerslam 07 or 08.

A lot of these things aren\'t a result of Cena. When they worked a program with him, they looked like main-eventers. Edge wasn\'t a main-eventer till he worked a real program with Cena. Same for Sheamus, and BArrett platued far too early. Not cena\'s fault, Barrett had nowhere to go after feuding with Cena. Same with Bourne. After getting the Cena endorsement, he went over Jericho, and was starting to look like a legitimate contender. Cena has made tons of guys look good. And Cena made Umaga look like a million bucks in their last mand stadning match. REally put him over as a monster.

Wins/Losses really don\'t dictate putting someone over.
 
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