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with yesterday being the 22nd anniversary of owen's death i thought we can talk about something that isn't discussed in regards to his death.

who is the most responsible. is it russo for forcing owen to take back up the blue blazer gimmick, or vince for going cheap on the stunt?
 

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Owen is. We are all responsible for our actions. It doesn’t take a genius to see that the stunt itself was dangerous. Worse thing to happen if he refused was he’d be bumped down the card in future.
Harsh criticism but fair
 

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with yesterday being the 22nd anniversary of owen's death i thought we can talk about something that isn't discussed in regards to his death.

who is the most responsible. is it russo for forcing owen to take back up the blue blazer gimmick, or vince for going cheap on the stunt?
100% VKM. That sort of stunt should have been practised, practised again and then again and again until it could never go wrong. Instead, in typical VKM fashion he probably signed off on the idea, on a whim, without much thought due to his flippant nature and it ended in tragedy.

It was gross negligence at the highest level and the buck stops with VKM
 

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Bret. If he never went to WCW, Owen's still alive. "You're just too selfish, Bret." - Owen Hart, RR 1994
 
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Foremost, it's Vince. He's in charge. But Owen also said yes so he shares some of the blame too.
 

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Who the hell knows?


We don't know what caused the accident. It could be Owen doing something wrong, or maybe it was the mechanism that failed him despite doing everything correctly. There's no clear verdict about what exactly caused the accident.


It's not Russo. All Russo did was write television. He didn't force Owen to go up there. It's a stunt that Sting did countless times in WCW, so I'm sure that everyone involved thought it'd be fine. At the end of the day, Owen agreed to do it and Vince McMahon gave the okay. Russo's ideas wouldn't have made it to TV if VKM didn't want them there. Same goes for the Brawl 4 All which Russo also gets blamed for, yet was greenlit by VKM and organized by Bruce Prichard.
 

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Vince McMahon seems like the obvious choice, but what about the guy(s) who set up the harness?
I wouldn't judge the harness crew too harshly, they were professionals and were they same people that lowered Sting safely every week in WCW.

That day for Owen, they set the harness up properly for the test run. Vince said it took too long for Owen to disconnect in the ring, so Vince ORDERED them to jerry-rig a quick release despite telling him it was dangerous. Unfortunately Owen adjusted his cape while he was waiting, and the quick-release was engaged...
 

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Hello my opinion on what happened to Owen Hart is the blame is multifaceted as there are a number of different factors culminating to tragic incident.

Firstly you have to look at the procurement process for getting the actual harness used to lower Owen and how it was done. Who researched the company providing the harness and how they decided on that particular company and how it was taken.

Secondly the company providing harness. Were they actually in over their head in other words were like the WWF wants us cool and did not care if they were the right company for the job?

As an example a famous person wants a chef for a fancy dinner party the person they hire to cook is a person who has just worked at a fast food franchise and talks a big game. If the person is honest saying I can’t do posh food and turns down the job. However, some people think they can do stuff they can’t and hope it works.

Thirdly Owen has to take a small amount of responsibility as he agreed to do the entrance that way. If Owen had said no then it would not have happened I don’t think the WWE would force wrestlers to do something they are uncomfortable with.

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His Wife said after a Investigation that Owen didn't release the harness at all. It was a cheap faulty boat latch that shouldn't have been used for humans.
It was a latch that is used for sails. Something that can be opened super easy under immense pressure. The exact opposite of what should have been used in this instance.

I would say shared blame. Vince wanted him to have a quick release option. One of his underlings hired the rigging crew. And the rigging crew for sending the F troop out to prep this stunt work.
I've seen some argue that Owen is part to blame for saying yes, and it's their right to hold those beliefs, But my employers have put me in tough situations that have been hazardous and it's kindof hard to say No sometimes, especially if there is someone else waiting to get a promotion and take your place.
 

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Vince always had last word and knew very well about everything what was supposed to happen. Also he knew sure as hell that Owen was scared of the highs so in my eyes he is 100% responsible for that tragedy .No one could predict that accident but Vince shouldn't put Owen into this situation when was obvious that it is strictly against Owen's will, that alone is irresponsible and amoral and result is totally useless and all the more sad death of phenomenal wrestler and great man. And why? Because employer was unable to respect the wishes and concerns of his employee. Literally nothing else. Its absurd claim that the responsibility was on Owen's shoulders, Geez how could anybody said that. Owen was a employee who did his job, he agreed to that due to respect and trust to his bosses for god sake! It was their commitment to ensure the safety of their employee and Owen was just loyal and very brave employee and look what happened? So if anybody claim that part of responsibility is on Owen you better think fucking twice at least!
 

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Primary responsibility probably the rigging guys who sent him out there with faulty equipment, or him if he made a mistake using it.

I think it's harsh to blame Russo or McMahon for it. It's not like they pushed him out of a helicopter and told him to flap his arms. It was a stunt that had been done safely many times before and they hired a specialist company to do it.

If we blame them for the stunt should we also criticise them for doing the thing with Shawn Michaels' WrestleMania entrance? Should we criticise WCW for endangering Sting's life? I don't think so.
 
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