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Who buried more talent HHH or Cena?

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HHH

-Booker T
-Kane
-RVD
-Nash
-Stiener
-Goldberg
-Kozlov
-Umaga
-Curtis Axel
-Sting
-CM Punk

CENA

-Umaga
-Khali
-Nexus
-Wyatt
-Rusev
-Ceasaro
-Ryder

Im sure theres alot more i missed out but both guys buried alot of talent and alot of guys never really recovered from their losses. I think the award of most buried talent must go to Cena though.
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HHH

-Booker T
-Kane
-RVD
-Nash
-Stiener
-Goldberg
-Kozlov
-Umaga
-Curtis Axel
-Sting
-CM Punk

CENA

-Umaga
-Khali
-Nexus
-Wyatt
-Rusev
-Ceasaro
-Ryder

Im sure theres alot more i missed out but both guys buried alot of talent and alot of guys never really recovered from their losses. I think the award of most buried talent must go to Cena though.
I say Undertaker buried more than both. He even buried them alive at that.
other - DRUGS
Cena/Triple H have never buried anyone.
John Cena has never beaten anybody who didn't deserve to lose to him. In fact, just getting a match with John Cena instantly adds to your credibility, and those who have lost to him should be honored to have been his opponent.
cena buried the entire wrestling industry with his PG nonsense
Yaaaaaaay, another "Who buried who?" thread! So much fun on a Friday!

It has to be Cena. Umaga, the Nexus, Wyatt, Rusev, Cesaro and Ryder, to name a few, could have easily gotten over and gotten over quite well. While I would argue that certain names there seem to be making a comeback, they certainly got a little too close to Grand Master Sexay's entrance than they, or their skillsets, were comfortable with.

Hunter, on the other hand, put down a guy who could have been the biggest star of the post-Attitude Era (in Booker T), Kane, RVD, Nash, Steiner, Goldberg, ect. Now, Booker T could have been the face of the company. But Kane? Guy used to put his hands in front of his face to take a bump on the stupid aluminium tin can thrash cans. Kane's been called the greatest of all time, and I am a mark for the guy at shows, but he was never going to be more than he is today. RVD is a little sketchier. Sure, he was the guy in ECW, and rightfully so, ECW was the perfect environment for him, but I would argue that it was Shawn Michaels returning that really buried RVD. If the first Elimination Chamber had happened six months later, history could have been different, but Michaels coming back really threw the whole thing into turmoil.

But the rest of these guys? Sting's a middle-aged man with a baldspot, for god's sake. The fact Steiner lost the WCW title to Booker in 2001 on the last Nitro showed how far he was going to go with the company, especially when he took time off because he was being paid to sit on his ass. Goldberg was never going to get fully over, I don't think. The guy wrestled so stiff he makes a match with Sheamus look like a gentle breeze on a warm summer's day. Kozlov wasn't really liked, I don't think. I never remember him, honestly. Punk held the Championship for over a year. 'Beating' isn't 'burying', honestly. Triple H needs legitimacy, too, in his current role.

But it's not fair to say Cena or Trips buried more guys. WWE creative buried more than either of them could have. Neither buried an entire roster over the course of three hours, and they certainly didn't do it week after week for nearly a year, now.
Cena. What he did to Nexus, man.
Other, and the Other is Kevin Nash when he was booking WCW.
When you look at it, HHH didn't ''bury'' many of those names.

Cena did. When they lost to him it was game over for some of their careers.

The responsibility lies with creative and booking of course as after Cena beats you they discard you instantly. Fools.
I see smarks really getting behind hhh these days cause he's pushing their indy favourites....as for burying, hhh has been doing this since cena was still a child playing wrestling at home
People tend to throw the term "bury" around for nothing here

The last time HHH actually buried someone was Punk, because Punk was super over and needed the win, but he lost and then went down the card

Same thing goes with Cena and Nexus. But he didn't bury Rusev.
Creative buried everyone.
HHH overestimates how over he is and goes out and Pedigrees faces like Zack Ryder, Brian Kendrick and Paul London and gets awkward silence.
the invisible gm buried more than both combined, even spiderman couldn't escape the nasty grip of that selfish, egotistical invisible gm
Cena and its not even close.
Some people really showing their lack of knowledge in this thread. What the fuck was Umaga supposed to do after beating Cena? What babyface is left to conquer the monster after the monster has already gone over the top babyface in the company? That's not how monster heels work. Besides, Umaga was really not that over for the first few months they were trying to build him up it was the Cena feud that got him over. He got booked incredibly strong in both of the Cena matches so acting like Cena buried him is nothing but mindless Cena hate.

You don't use your top babyface to build up heels. You build up heels by going over the other babyfaces and then he loses to the top babyface. That's the WWE business model all the way back since the company first started, I'm not sure what it is that some people don't understand about that. That would be like saying Hulk Hogan buried the Iron Sheik, Andre the Giant and Big Boss Man because god forbid the #1 guy in the company ever win a match.
HHH made alot of them still look good, Cena makes them look like lil bitches. So Cena.
HHH never buried... I mean.. You know
45 year old Triple H, the WWE guy, beat 55 year old Sting, the WCW guy, on WWE's main show Wrestlemania, so it's a burial.

Who is on HHH's level, seriously? Triple H was an all-time great, are people telling me Kozlov, Umaga and Curtis Axel were on his level, or ever would be by defeating him in a feud? Steiner, Nash, Booker T were all WCW talent brought over who either were never on his level, or way passed their interest rate, and Goldberg was an anomaly that just didn't belong in WWE. RVD and Kane had solid careers despite it, and CM Punk could be a point but it's hardly like he was dropped down a level by facing HHH.

What about the likes of X-Pac, Chyna, Stephanie, Jeff Hardy, Shelton Benjamin, Randy Orton, Batista and more who were involved with HHH and were helped because of it?

Now John Cena you can have evidence considering a payoff loss in a feud with him has slowed careers down, but that isn't Cena, that's WWE's logic. Owens, Rusev, Wyatt all had good strong feuds with Cena but it wasn't Cena saying "Right, we're over. Here, have a random 6 man on Raw for 3 months for it"... Even Nexus were used as fodder to create what WWE wanted, a super good-guy that they could market toward their target audiences.

Imagine if John Cena hadn't buried Great Khali hey? In that world, he and Kozlov would be world champions now in wrestling modern golden era. I can remember so many people that guys like Cena/HHH buried that had good solid entertaining matches that I think of so much more than whether they won or lost a match or two.
Cena never did anything as bad as HHH killing off Curtis Axel as soon as they started to push him for no other reason than "just because." How did HHH make Curtis Axel look good? How did HHH make Goldberg look good by beating him in the Elimination Chamber when they went out of their way to put over just how injured HHH was?

Kozlov was getting a push as a monster just mauling everyone with power moves and then suddenly he wrestles HHH and he's wrestling a 1980s NWA Title technical match? God forbid HHH work like any other babyface and get beat on and sell for the majority of the match, he's got to totally change up what was working with Kozlov so he can keep from showing any kind of vulnerability.

The fact that CM Punk lost to him in their feud and they tried to siphon the heat off of CM Punk onto a lame ass Kevin Nash vs. HHH feud should show you just how big HHH's ego is and why he's done way worse stuff than Cena.

Cena also made Umaga look like a monster in their matches against each other while HHH went over him pretty handily and didn't sell for him nearly as much as Cena did.
Cena has destroyed at least twenty guys. I'd say he has to be the front runner here.
HHH has buried entire cards as well talent.

So HHH by a mile.
the difference is cena burials (out of alex riley and maybe micheal tarver) were mostly on behalf of creative and vince while almost all of triple h's were to boast his ego or due to his personal grudges / jealousy
Cena, no contest
HHH as he's in charge & buries everyone on every show whenever he appears.
HHH. Cena was booked by Vince to win a lot. HHH had his ego and used his marriage. Huge difference.
Cena also manages to let them all look good in defeat. How many of those matches has he been 'taken to the limit', as Cole would say, taking a beating for 15 or 20 minutes, letting his opponents get in all their signature offense before pulling an AA out of nowhere. There were a few that he even won by luck or ended with a non-finish. His run of the weekly challenge brought out some great work by guys who would otherwise be nobodies. Hell, you could say he even helped put Kevin Owens on the map.

I don't recall HHH being that generous, and I lost even more respect for him by insisting on going over Sting, an industry icon who just happened to work for the wrong company.

People need to understand though that a loss does not equate to being buried. It takes booking to bury somebody, not one worker, but one worker can certainly help get another one over, and I think Cena has done more of that than HHH ever did.
Could not disagree more.
HHH simply because of the way he's goes about burying people, bìtches to vince and other big figures in the company that people are not ready and politics his way to a win. Cena just does what vince tells him.
A few things:

Lack of talent buried many wrestlers. That they have a few vocal fans doesn't mean everyone should main event WrestleMania, become WWEWHC, and challenge every record ever.

Also, WWE buried some over the years that they just didn't believe in. They're the ones in charge, so that is their right. If our favorite fails, eh, no sweat off our backs. WWE, however, has a stake in the wrestlers and how they do, so they need to feel confident in their chosen stars. It's their money and reputation on the line, after all.

Between HHH and Cena? Even if they politic to get their way, as just about every wrestler known to man has done, it's WWE's call who wins, not the wrestler's, so you can only lay so much blame on a wrestler for getting their way.

Also, "bury" is a word that needs to be buried as it is so often misused and misunderstood.
Nope. HHH also "buried" Sting because he was super over, and needed his first win. He lost a lot of steam after that. Now he possibly will retire without a single victory in WWE. Also, HHH won with the sledgehammer yep, but the thing that buried Sting was that handshake after the match, along with that stupid interferences that made no sense. So you hit me in the head with a hammer and then I respect you? :ambrose2
I get your point but Sting is old and almost retired, HHH has a few more good years ahead. He's never been in WWE before 2015 so I don't think they owe him anything
You crybabies still think Cena buried people?

Cesaro got buried by Kevin Owens, not Cena, and I would love for one you of to argue that.

Cesaro was wrestling on superstars or dark matches, answers Cenas open challenge, starts main eventing Monday night Raws. Until... Owens used his backstage friendship with HHH yo bury cesaro by beatin him clean over five times on tv. Now Cesaro is losing clean to the big show three plus times. It took a pairing with super over roman reigns to get him relevant again. I'm thinking Cesaro get "pop up power bombed" on raw or smackdown next week to send him sliding down the ladder again
Should really put Vince and Creative up there instead.
All the more reason to have let Sting go out on a high note. HHH has time to overcome one more loss, Sting does not. Different story if Sting's last match was with a younger star, where tradition dictates the passing of the torch (which actually happened later with Rollins). That clearly wasn't the case here -- it was only the combined egos of Vince still not willing to put over a top WCW guy and HHH just not willing to put over anybody. It would have been a far more meaningful tip of the hat -- to Sting and the fans -- than a fucking handshake.
Triple H buried Axel but was the one who gave him a push and backed him until he flopped
This whole thread is absurd. A wrestler can never bury another wrestler, that's impossible. The only people who can bury are Vince Mcmahon and the creative team.
HHH, all the guys Cena beat were all built up just for him to beat. In terms of HHH though, he had a hand in the book and would have used it to keep him on top.
This whole thread is absurd. A wrestler can never bury another wrestler, that's impossible. The only people who can bury are Vince Mcmahon and the creative team.
That's pretty much what a bunch of us have already said. Big difference being that HHH also has a hand in the decision making that no other worker has, including Cena. Although I'm sure at this point in his career Cena has some say in who he puts over and who he doesn't, it can't come close to being in the family and in corporate management.

While the term 'bury' is probably misused here to a degree, I think the thread itself has led to some good discussion and interesting opinions on the business. 'Bury' could easily be replaced here by 'refused to put over'; but again, I don't think anybody here knows everything that goes into the decisions on who goes over whom and how. All we know is what we see, and people have very different opinions on why things are like they see 'em -- nothing absurd about that.
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HHH and Hogan.
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Worst article I have ever read in my life. HHH buried Sting apparently. lmao. You do realise that "beat" does not equal bury.

And if you get annoyed at people beating people then maybe wrestling isn't your thing. Big stars like cena, HHH, Austin, etc, etc....yeh they beat people. Thats wrestling.

Worst article of all time congrats OP :)
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That's pretty much what a bunch of us have already said. Big difference being that HHH also has a hand in the decision making that no other worker has, including Cena. Although I'm sure at this point in his career Cena has some say in who he puts over and who he doesn't, it can't come close to being in the family and in corporate management.

While the term 'bury' is probably misused here to a degree, I think the thread itself has led to some good discussion and interesting opinions on the business. 'Bury' could easily be replaced here by 'refused to put over'; but again, I don't think anybody here knows everything that goes into the decisions on who goes over whom and how. All we know is what we see, and people have very different opinions on why things are like they see 'em -- nothing absurd about that.
You've only been to the forum since November 2015. What makes you think you know more than me about how wrestling works?
Ok I'm really tired of people bitching about HHH beating Sting.


GO WATCH STINGS DVD. He tells you flat out that he wanted to lose to HHH at WM31 because he thought at the time it would be his last match. Sting being the old school guy that he is went out on his back like all wrestlers should do for their last match.

Stop acting like HHH/Vince forced Sting to lose because they didn't.

Sheesh
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Ok I'm really tired of people bitching about HHH beating Sting.


GO WATCH STINGS DVD. He tells you flat out that he wanted to lose to HHH at WM31 because he thought at the time it would be his last match. Sting being the old school guy that he is went out on his back like all wrestlers should do for their last match.

Stop acting like HHH/Vince forced Sting to lose because they didn't.

Sheesh
Plus it wasn't clean at all. Sting had the match won about 3 times if it weren't for interference. HHH booked to look shit and still get hate.

Get over it people, HHH is a huge star and a huge talent. Huge talents and huge stars beat lesser talents because that is how wrestling worked. Hogan squashed so many dudes because he is hulk hogan. Same with austin. Same with rock. Same with HHH. And as much as I dont like cena...its the same with cena.
This whole thread is absurd. A wrestler can never bury another wrestler, that's impossible. The only people who can bury are Vince Mcmahon and the creative team.
I think you'd have to be incredibly naive to think that a kiss ass like Cena has no say on booking decisions etc
Plus it wasn't clean at all. Sting had the match won about 3 times if it weren't for interference. HHH booked to look shit and still get hate.
Exactly. Sting lost cause of a sledge hammer to the head and the match wasn't no holds bar. HHH the heel cheated to win.


It's just blind HHH hate. HHH deserves respect
Alot of debating going on in here.

Whether anyone thinks Cena "buried" anyone or not, I still don't like the guy & I voted for him.


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Exactly. Sting lost cause of a sledge hammer to the head and the match wasn't no holds bar. HHH the heel cheated to win.


It's just blind HHH hate. HHH deserves respect
HHH is one of the greatest of all time. Just gets hate because of his position with steph. He would of been a megastar regardless.

Remember his feud with austin when he was the dude with the black glove who kept attacking austin back stage? He played that how thing off epically.
I don't typically vote in these particularly worded threads but Triple H has definitely put way more people over. They only remember the bad (RVD, Booker, etc) and I don't even agree that those guys were buried. Let's take a look at guys he put over:

- Undertaker at THREE Manias
- Lost THREE Manias in a row, tapping out twice to Benoit and Cena, being pinned by Batista
- Lost THREE PPVs straight to Batista
- Lost to kayfabe rookie Sheamus
- Lost to Booker T CLEAN on free tv before Mania 19 (I'll give you that one though, he looked like a fool at the actual PPV)
- Gave Goldberg the rub after his nine month title reign
- Put Benoit and Bryan both over in the biggest way possible at Mania
- Lost 2 out of 3 matches to Lesnar (and people still rag him for taking the Mania 29 victory)
- Evolution, one of the bigger stables of the last 20 years, lost collectively at ER last year, and then one month later lost to The Shield again in a CLEAN SWEEP elimination style match. Talk about being put over!
- Lost to Shelton Benjamin, of all people, THREE times on free TV
- Put over Jeff Hardy Armageddon 2008 (okay, yeah, he didn't take the pin but was still in the match and took the loss)

Only guys he feuded with he didn't truly put over:

-Randy Orton (I won't defend that, Orton won maybe three of their dozen or so matches)
- Chris Jericho
- Mick Foley (who was the established star putting over the new star in HHH)

RVD, Booker, and Kane weren't "buried" in 2002. Apparently no one knows what that word means. Triple H was the top heel for four years on Raw with multiple contenders. Almost all of his wins were dirty at that. Seth Rollins does the same thing this year and no one complains. Hmmmm...

All these guys that HHH has put over but let's remember him beating RVD or Kane dirty at a B PPV 13 years ago.

That all said, other than Daniel Bryan, Rock, Edge, and maybe Punk, I can't think of any other guys that were ever evenly matched with Cena or got the upper hand on him, so yeah, Cena for the purposes of this poll has gone over way too many feuds. I try to see the good in things though, so props to him for losing to Owens and Del Rio clean this year. Needs to happen more often.
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HHH is one of the greatest of all time. Just gets hate because of his position with steph. He would of been a megastar regardless.

Remember his feud with austin when he was the dude with the black glove who kept attacking austin back stage? He played that how thing off epically.
Yep HHH was a main eventer before he met Steph. HHH are a lot shit before he got to the top. He took the entire blame for the curtain call and he had to fight his way to the top.

And yes that was great back then.
HHH lost clean to Jeff Hardy at Armageddon 2007 don't forget that one
They didn't bury anybody. Geez, Triple H and John Cena were the top guys and they almost won all their matches, well no shit. Pretty much all the faces or top guys win most of their matches. Ultimately even if Cena or Triple H had a hand on deciding who wins and loses in their matches, it doesn't matter because nothing gets approved without Vince's approval. If you want to go after Cena and Triple H, then you should go after Hogan, Sammartino, Andre in his prime, The Undertaker, Brock Lesnar, Ultimate Warrior, Steve Austin because they won most of their matches too.
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I think you'd have to be incredibly naive to think that a kiss ass like Cena has no say on booking decisions etc
It doesn't matter how huge a star Cena is, as long as he isn't in a position of authority figure or corporate figure (like CEO, president, COO etc.) He has no control over the wrestlers jobs.
You forgot that Cena buried Owens and Seth
And when did tripple h bury cm punk?

And there is no star bigger than wwe they erased hogans existance in a second same would happen with cena
I say Undertaker buried more than both. He even buried them alive at that.

Not what they meant (Yes I KLNOW YOU KNOW THAT!!! :laugh:) bUT FUNNY!!!! And I voted HHH!!
Other: The Fans themselves. Specifically, the people who stop caring about someone the second they lose to the likes of Cena/Regins, yet whine about how they were 'buried'.

Nothing buries a wrestler quicker then the fans not giving a shit about them anymore.
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