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Apologies for the American slant on this (with reference to states), it obviously could apply to any country, but my question stems from observing American sports.

Ignoring cases in which:
a) There are no teams in your state.
b) You've moved to a different state.

And assuming they've stuck with a team, didn't pick them solely because were champions at the time/had a big name on the roster, and don't just jump on bandwagons every few years, do you take issue with someone saying their favorite team is not their hometown team? Is it sort of a patriotic thing where "no, you didn't get to pick where you were born, but you should love your country (or in this case, hometeam) anyways?" Are you essentially a traitor for daring to not like the hometown team? Is someone whose team is from another state not a "true" fan in your opinion? Do they have to prove themselves more to call themselves a fan?

And as a follow-up question, is/are your favorite sports team(s) from your birthplace/current homeplace?
 

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the majority of people don't even care if you don't have a hometown team, you're still bandwagoning to them. :hayden3



Loyalty to the team means more than where you're from. Just because the team happens to be in your hometown doesn't make you a better or even more true fan than people that support them outside of the state. A lot of fans are fair weather, a lot of hometown fans are bandwagoners that only care if the team is good(basically fair weather), and a lot of fans couldn't even name the depth players or any players outside of the top guys on the team. Does that really make you a "fan"?

How can a person be considered a fan at all if they know nothing about the team, players, or history? Because the team just so happens to be from your state/city? That doesn't really mean much at all.

Basically, for me, it comes down to if the person has an actual emotional investment to the team. If you only care when the team is winning then you're no better than any other bandwagoner. A real fan suffers through the lows as well as the highs and one that doesn't just understand the pleasures of victory, but gut wrenching feeling of a terrible defeat.
 

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I don't have a single team from where I'm from that's been a favorite.

Aside from my college team being my alma matter (fucking UNLV :mcgee1)
 

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It's always interesting to me to see what teams people root for. Most people are bandwagoners so I try and avoid talking sports with most people. I work with a guy who likes Alabama football, Duke basketball, the Dodgers, Celtics and Blackhawks. Fuck you dude. He has no idea who the coach was before Nick Saban, had no idea Rick Pitino use to coach the Celtics and doesn't know who Jeremy Roenick is. I try and avoid talking sports with dildos like him.

I'm about as loyal as they come as a sports fan. Born and raised in Nebraska so I'm a Husker fan obviously. All 3 major sports (football, baseball and basketball) even though we historically suck at the last one. We just got a brand new amazing arena so hopefully that helps.

One of my first football games ever as a kid was when the Huskers played Barry Sanders played for Oklahoma State. Man I'm old fuck that was two conferences ago lol. Good God was he incredible and fun to watch. I decided as a young lad I'd become a fan of whatever team drafted him. So I have been a Lions fan since 1989. My family is all Dallas Cowboys fans and I feel like me being a Lions fan was my minor way of rebelling. If the Lions win today I will rub it in my brothers face for weeks and I almost never run sports smack haha.

I have family in Texas and use to go there a lot as a kid to visit. Fell in love with the Texas Rangers so they have been my ball club since 1990 as well. They are far and away my favorite sports team. As much as I love the Huskers being from Nebraska the Rangers are who I'm the most die hard about. Also fell for the Houston Rockets around the same time. I didn't know much about hockey but LOVED NHL 94 for Sega and when Dallas got the Stars I became a fan and have been ever since.

I have been to Wrigley Field a few times and it's hard not to root for the Cubs a little bit. They are my NL team no doubt. My best friend is also a Braves fan and is a baseball junkie like me so I hope that they do well.
 

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As Ian Brown once said, it's not where you're from but rather where you're at.

Basically, as a supporter your loyalty should never waver depending on results. You should be just as committed and proud to be a supporter of your team if they're champions or relegated. The minute you start dictating your alleigance and commitment to the team based on how they perform you enter that murky territory whereby the concept of winning and losing becomes more important than actually supporting your team.

I was raised a United fan through family influence and I've resided about 50 minutes away from Manchester my entire life. During the times I've been to games I've seen countless Mancunians sit/stand in silence, constantly abuse the players after every poor pass and leave on 80 minutes. Coincidentally, I've also seen various out of town tourists constantly taking pictures, wearing half and half scarves (the dirt worst) and annoying various supporters by blocking exists post match so they can get autographs from both sets of players. Both types of fan here to me are problematic, and their location doesn't make a blind bit of difference.

As an example, let me cite Stoke City. They're a typically smaller club in the Premier League, and the majority of their support is contained within Stoke and the surrounding areas. Compared to a Man Utd, Liverpool or even Newcastle who will have supporters littered throughout the country, the core of Stoke's support is predominantly local. For that reason they commonly try and wind up the bigger clubs by boasting about this, however a quick look at their attendances would tell you that prior to being promoted to the Premier League they could barely fill their ground halfway consistently. Since their promotion they've sold out every game and attendances are considerably higher. To me, anyone who only started attending games the minute Stoke got promoted is no better a fan than someone who supports a team 100 miles away from them, their mindset is hardly what you expect of a 'true fan' and that's where the issue lies, not whether they're local or out of town.

I get that to follow your hometown team regardless of success in some respect shows a sense of commitment to your area and where you come from. But tbh anyone who throws out the 'you don't support your local team' tripe is just using that to try and get a reaction out of you. I'd bet my life savings that same person wouldn't care in the slightest if he ran into someone who supported the same side as him but lived 300 miles away. It's just an easy way for fans of smaller teams to often wind up fans of bigger teams who enjoy a more nationwide/worldwide support. Man City fans forever try and claim nobody in Manchester is a United fan, yet I've seen countless fans of theirs talk proudly at now boasting a worldwide support. Again, don't take notice of supporters who try and make location an issue because chances are they won't practice what they preach and are just looking to get a bite out of you.
 

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I don't know much about soccer (futbol) outside of the World Cup (which I love) but I do dig the passion and borderline insanity of the fans.
 

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I'm from Alabama which is a place with no major professional sports teams. When it comes to football, I'm an Auburn guy. In the NFL, I generally root for the Auburn guys to do well. Right now that makes my main team the Panthers because of Cam Newton. I also like seeing Ronnie Brown with the Chargers; Carlos Rogers with the 49ers; Jason Campbell is getting the start for the Browns this weekend. I am loyal in the sense that I am loyal to Auburn by rooting for their guys but it leads me to root for different teams under different circumstances. I don't think that makes me a bandwagoner.

When it comes to other sports, I root for different people for different reasons. I root against jackasses like LeBron James. When I decide who to root for, it's mainly on how I feel about the people individually. Oftentimes, I find myself rooting for the underdog. In that sense, I am never a bandwagoner who roots for the powerhouse team to keep winning. I love a good underdog story.

Outside of Auburn football, I did not grow up with any teams as "my team". I hate it when people act like everyone is a bandwagoner if they don't only root for one team under all circumstances. It's one thing to grow up in NY with the Jets as "your team" and then all of a sudden start rooting for the Pats because they look like they might win it all. It is an entirely different matter to not have a hometown team and root for specific teams because of certain players they have.
 

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Good for him! I did not know that. Liked him a lot at Auburn. Your 2004 team was so damn good. Better than the Cam national title team IMHO. I'd say Auburn is my fave SEC school in football anyway. Small world.....my boss use to live in Arkansas and is good friends with Gus Malzahn. Maybe too early to call that a home run hire but it's looking like it might be. You guys should be 10-1 going into the Iron Bowl but you never know in the SEC. Every week is tough. War Eagle though. :)

I'm like this as well with Huskers and Nebraska guys.
 

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Good for him! I did not know that. Liked him a lot at Auburn. Your 2004 team was so damn good. Better than the Cam national title team IMHO. I'd say Auburn is my fave SEC school in football anyway. Small world.....my boss use to live in Arkansas and is good friends with Gus Malzahn. Maybe too early to call that a home run hire but it's looking like it might be. You guys should be 10-1 going into the Iron Bowl but you never know in the SEC. Every week is tough. War Eagle though. :)

I'm like this as well with Huskers and Nebraska guys.
WAR FUCKING EAGLE!

Your 2004 team was so damn good. Better than the Cam national title team IMHO.
Yes, they were. And it was because of the D we had they year. Our opponents only averaged 11.3 against us. We only gave up 20+ twice all season. That team was stocked full of pros and getting left out of the title game was the biggest screw job in the history of the BCS.
 

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i support my local because that's what you do in australia. everyone has a local team in the afl, the nrl, and then you have the state reps in stuff like cricket. it's very territorial based where i'm from.
 

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WAR FUCKING EAGLE!



Yes, they were. And it was because of the D we had they year. Our opponents only averaged 11.3 against us. We only gave up 20+ twice all season. That team was stocked full of pros and getting left out of the title game was the biggest screw job in the history of the BCS.

Agreed. Of all of the biggest screw jobs from the BCS this is the biggest and it's not even close. How the fuck do you run the table in the SEC and not at least get a share of the title? Yes that team was loaded and would have given USC a run for their money (no pun intended since that program was as dirty as a hooker haha).

I was happy for your fan base when the Cam team won the title. Being a Lions fan I love Nick Fairley. Lots of non SEC fans hate the SEC. I've met better fans from SEC than any other conference. Well, except Florida. Most of their fans were annoying when I met them at a bowl game.
 

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As Ian Brown once said, it's not where you're from but rather where you're at.

Basically, as a supporter your loyalty should never waver depending on results. You should be just as committed and proud to be a supporter of your team if they're champions or relegated. The minute you start dictating your alleigance and commitment to the team based on how they perform you enter that murky territory whereby the concept of winning and losing becomes more important than actually supporting your team.

I was raised a United fan through family influence and I've resided about 50 minutes away from Manchester my entire life. During the times I've been to games I've seen countless Mancunians sit/stand in silence, constantly abuse the players after every poor pass and leave on 80 minutes. Coincidentally, I've also seen various out of town tourists constantly taking pictures, wearing half and half scarves (the dirt worst) and annoying various supporters by blocking exists post match so they can get autographs from both sets of players. Both types of fan here to me are problematic, and their location doesn't make a blind bit of difference.

As an example, let me cite Stoke City. They're a typically smaller club in the Premier League, and the majority of their support is contained within Stoke and the surrounding areas. Compared to a Man Utd, Liverpool or even Newcastle who will have supporters littered throughout the country, the core of Stoke's support is predominantly local. For that reason they commonly try and wind up the bigger clubs by boasting about this, however a quick look at their attendances would tell you that prior to being promoted to the Premier League they could barely fill their ground halfway consistently. Since their promotion they've sold out every game and attendances are considerably higher. To me, anyone who only started attending games the minute Stoke got promoted is no better a fan than someone who supports a team 100 miles away from them, their mindset is hardly what you expect of a 'true fan' and that's where the issue lies, not whether they're local or out of town.

I get that to follow your hometown team regardless of success in some respect shows a sense of commitment to your area and where you come from. But tbh anyone who throws out the 'you don't support your local team' tripe is just using that to try and get a reaction out of you. I'd bet my life savings that same person wouldn't care in the slightest if he ran into someone who supported the same side as him but lived 300 miles away. It's just an easy way for fans of smaller teams to often wind up fans of bigger teams who enjoy a more nationwide/worldwide support. Man City fans forever try and claim nobody in Manchester is a United fan, yet I've seen countless fans of theirs talk proudly at now boasting a worldwide support. Again, don't take notice of supporters who try and make location an issue because chances are they won't practice what they preach and are just looking to get a bite out of you.
Top post, could not agree more.


I honestly could not care less where you live in relation to who you support, provided your support of the team never waivers or your level of support doesn't have a direct correlation with league position. I'm a Sheffield United fan and know of Blades who live in different fucking countries and haven't attended for years, yet have got more passion for the club and care indefinitely more than some of the knuckle dragging morons who rock up at 3pm every Saturday.

Location does not and should not affect how much of a 'fan' you are.


Also an interesting example with Stoke, I'm currently living there and find what you say very much true. Pretty much everyone round here is either Stoke or Vale but at the same time I know a lot of people and have a lot of mates who don't have the slightest bit of interest in football (never mind a particular club), yet bought ST's at Stoke when they got promoted and again when they played in the Europa League. It's honestly laughable the amount of people who jumped on the Stoke bandwaggon yet these people are always the first to slag off some of my mates who are United/Chelsea fans for being 'Glory Hunters'. Oh, and while I'm in the mood for bashing Stoke, the whole 'loudest fans in Britain thing' is a complete and utter myth, and many of my Stoke supporting mates agree with this. I've been to the Britannia a few times, both to watch Sheff Utd play there in the lower divisions and again to see Stoke play PL football and every time it's been comparable to a morgue, not to mention some of the abuse given to the players and Pulis which was absolutely horrendous.
 

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Top post, could not agree more.


I honestly could not care less where you live in relation to who you support, provided your support of the team never waivers or your level of support doesn't have a direct correlation with league position. I'm a Sheffield United fan and know of Blades who live in different fucking countries and haven't attended for years, yet have got more passion for the club and care indefinitely more than some of the knuckle dragging morons who rock up at 3pm every Saturday.

Location does not and should not affect how much of a 'fan' you are.


Also an interesting example with Stoke, I'm currently living there and find what you say very much true. Pretty much everyone round here is either Stoke or Vale but at the same time I know a lot of people and have a lot of mates who don't have the slightest bit of interest in football (never mind a particular club), yet bought ST's at Stoke when they got promoted and again when they played in the Europa League. It's honestly laughable the amount of people who jumped on the Stoke bandwaggon yet these people are always the first to slag off some of my mates who are United/Chelsea fans for being 'Glory Hunters'. Oh, and while I'm in the mood for bashing Stoke, the whole 'loudest fans in Britain thing' is a complete and utter myth, and many of my Stoke supporting mates agree with this. I've been to the Britannia a few times, both to watch Sheff Utd play there in the lower divisions and again to see Stoke play PL football and every time it's been comparable to a morgue, not to mention some of the abuse given to the players and Pulis which was absolutely horrendous.
Agreed mate.

It's the mindset of a fan that is crucial, not their location. There's countless clubs in Leagues One and Two who will have predominantly local supports but their attendances will fluctuate based on performances and results. As long as you're a level headed lad who goes to games to back the team, add to the atmosphere and not pick apart every poor pass then that's all that matters. There are hometown fans who are as passionate as they come, whilst similarly there are out of town fans who will travel the length of the country every weekend to follow the team.

Agreed re. Stoke. They're a creation of the media to add another cliche to football (up there with 'no-one will fancy a trip to Turkey in the Champions League). I'll give 'em their due, when they sing they're loud as trout. However that's the same for any home support in the country: OT is bouncing at several intervals during a match, Spurs singing 'When the Spurs go marching in' is always deafening, YNWA pre match is always impressive etc. The key to distinguishing between a support that can be loud, and one that is a great home support is consistency. Obviously there's a lot of factors that render a great home support largely non existant in England & Wales currently, but Stoke are without doubt a support that will be loud spontaneously with large spells of silence in between the songs.

FWIW I'd probably say Palace are the best home support going in the Premier League currently (don't watch enough lower league football to see a viable competitor). It's no surprise given they back the Holmsedale Fanatics and allow them to group together and generate an atmosphere. They're a clear cut model that segregating fans who wish to sing with those who wish to sit in peace can be effective in this country.

Shame about Sheff Utd's current situation tbh, good traditional club who deserve a fair bit better than they currently sit. The Steel City Derby was always a good watch whenever I caught a bit of it, very intense and passionate whatever level of football it was played at. I know you might not welcome praising 'em, but Wednesday's away support is one of the better supports outside of the Premier League for my money. Generally take a good following around the country and a good volume to match their numbers.
 
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