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What is WWE doing right to remain the top dog?

Why can't other businesses achieve the same amount of fame, like ROH or New Japan?

What can ROH, New Japan, TNA, and others learn from WWE to be competitive?
 

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What is WWE doing right to remain the top dog?

Why can't other businesses achieve the same amount of fame, like ROH or New Japan?

What can ROH, New Japan, TNA, and others learn from WWE to be competitive?
It's simple. They cater to the non Pro Wrestling fan who is the casual fan. If you want to watch Sports Entertainment you watch the WWE if you want to watch Pro Wrestling you watch companies like ROH and NJPW
 

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They have been around forever, the have advertising, broadcasting, and touring infrastructures in place for 30 years.
 

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They are established.

Plus wrestling doesn't make money on its own anymore unless you stay local and have a tv spot.

Look up the drawing in wwe shows and you don't see a whole lot of people showing up, but the tv spots, the merch, the movies, video games... etc.... is where they make most of their profit.


What's the best way to make 5 millions dollars by starting your own wrestling promotion?

Answer: Start with 10 millions dollars.
 

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They are established.

Plus wrestling doesn't make money on its own anymore unless you stay local and have a tv spot.

Look up the drawing in wwe shows and you don't see a whole lot of people showing up, but the tv spots, the merch, the movies, video games... etc.... is where they make most of their profit.


What's the best way to make 5 millions dollars by starting your own wrestling promotion?

Answer: Start with 10 millions dollars.
TNA has money, and they can't do it. ROH probably is worth 10 million.

Established things get overthrown all the time. MySpace was established, then Facebook came along. A superior product will win out in the end.

How can ROH deliver a superior product?
 

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TNA has money, and they can't do it. ROH probably is worth 10 million.

Established things get overthrown all the time. MySpace was established, then Facebook came along. A superior product will win out in the end.

How can ROH deliver a superior product?
The WWE is to powerful now. The only company who would have a shot is NJPW but the language gap needs to be erased which is never going to happen. They are the only ones with the money and the talent to actually break through.
 

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The WWE is to powerful now. The only company who would have a shot is NJPW but the language gap needs to be erased which is never going to happen. They are the only ones with the money and the talent to actually break through.
This.

But I do believe NJPW will sooner or later bypass the language gap and get itself into the American market.
 

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WCW's death, pure and simple. Once WCW died, there was no other company around with the magical combination of history, name recognition, and television presence to compete, leaving the door wide open for WWE to take complete control of the market. Business executives also pointed at WCW's death and said, "See? I told you that junk wouldn't sell," making it that much harder for a potential rival to gain a major television presence like WCW once had.

WWE has also done a masterful job of conditioning their audience to pretty much accept that WWE is the only game in town, and to be resistant with changes to the status quo. Their selective memory when it comes to wrestling's history ("WCW was only a threat because they took our talent") only serves to strengthen the idea of WWE being an unstoppable, dominant juggernaut throughout history in the eyes of the casual fan.
 

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History / Money / Vince McMahon / Hulk Hogan / The Rock / Attiude Era / Billy Graham / Bruno Sanmartino / John Cena / Buying & Beating all compeition / Stone Cold / Andre the Giant / Catering to casual fans / Main Stream popularity / Merchandise.
 

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The WWE is to powerful now. The only company who would have a shot is NJPW but the language gap needs to be erased which is never going to happen. They are the only ones with the money and the talent to actually break through.
Microsoft was too powerful, than Apple came along. I strongly believe a superior product would overcome name recognition.
 

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Brand recognition mainly.
High production values secondly.

if TNA had the latter in 2007 then I think they could have given them a run for there money. The roster was superior. They had no Benoit gate. The show was more interesting and fresh but unfortunately it looked like it was being shot in someones basement. WWE has bright things which distract from the crappynes of the actual show.
 

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What many don't realize is that the WWE history is tied to the NWA history. At one time the WWWF was a part of the NWA. Up until 1961 they were a part of the NWA. They separated but once again became part of the NWA in 1973 until it finally broke away for the finally time in 1982. From 73 to 82 the WWWF/ WWF title were recognized as a regional title and not a World Title. On many occasions the NWA World Champion would come into MSG to defend the title.
 

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Microsoft was too powerful, than Apple came along. I strongly believe a superior product would overcome name recognition.
We can only hope. The only one with the resources is NJPW and I wouldn't mind that one bit.
 

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WCW's death, pure and simple. Once WCW died, there was no other company around with the magical combination of history, name recognition, and television presence to compete, leaving the door wide open for WWE to take complete control of the market. Business executives also pointed at WCW's death and said, "See? I told you that junk wouldn't sell," making it that much harder for a potential rival to gain a major television presence like WCW once had.

WWE has also done a masterful job of conditioning their audience to pretty much accept that WWE is the only game in town, and to be resistant with changes to the status quo. Their selective memory when it comes to wrestling's history ("WCW was only a threat because they took our talent") only serves to strengthen the idea of WWE being an unstoppable, dominant juggernaut throughout history in the eyes of the casual fan.
Bah. Everybody with some mind on wrestling knows the main reason why WCW was a legitimate threat to WWE was because it made wrestling fresh again. While WWE was still sticking to its PG crap, WCW was reinventing the way people saw wrestling with edgy and fresh storylines. The Outsider angle which would evolve into nWo revolutionized wrestling itself. And at same time ECW was beginning to come around with their serious adult content which Vince himself decided to use it and branded it "Attitude", and even so, it wasn't enough. His lucky strike was The Rock and Stone Cold, two one-of-a-kind wrestlers who came at the exact right time.

Everyone inside the business of wrestling knows that WWE isn't the only playground and more people who live it every day are beginning to consider NJPW as the real "big league". TNA could have evolved if it didn't decide to be WCW 2.0. It's too late to re-do it all over again. Much like it's too late to re-do the Attitude Era. Times have changed. Society isn't the same as it was in the late 90's.
 
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I often wonder if Crockett had won in the 80's how much better Wrestling would be right now. They had the talent and the money to bury Vince but they spend beyond their means. What a shame because I consider Crockett from 84 to 89 to be the best all around product ever.
 

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Microsoft was too powerful, than Apple came along. I strongly believe a superior product would overcome name recognition.
That's like hoping that something will overtake Hollywood and Broadway.

All the examples of something being overtaken are high tech companies.

Celebrity deathmatch had a superior product and it didn't take over.

It has to be totally different than prowrestling to take over like UFC.
 

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That's like hoping that something will overtake Hollywood and Broadway.

All the examples of something being overtaken are high tech companies.

Celebrity deathmatch had a superior product and it didn't take over.

It has to be totally different than prowrestling to take over like UFC.
Well Hollywood isn't a company, it's a place. There has been companies in hollywood that has fallen. Lionsgate was a small company that no one knew, then they made Hungergames, their stock skyrocketed, and now they in the big leagues.
 

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ROH have been heading in the right direction for last few years especially since Sinclair Broadcast bought their TV rights and helped expand their territory shows, allowing them to offer dvds/merch and pro contracts.
When ROH first began they did a handful of shows a MONTH but, since gaining TV rights, their shows increased steadily over a 3year period to consistent weekly shows and branching out to Live PPVs; they joined co-promotions with NOAH and NJPW among others in Japan, did English tours and renewed sharing talent from TNA.
ROH had a bad start to their history especially from 02-04 when the scandal hit and most promotions revoked their wrestlers from participating there, it took new owners and their first TV deal 4years later to allow them a slow rebirth that is only now seeing progress.
The future, if the past 3years is a measuring stick, is more PPVs, extra tours and expanded areas that will solidify ROH vs a 30+ established product in WWE.
It prides itself on being a PRO-WRESTLING open competition for all Indy scenes and established TNA/OVW stars (thats if OVW still co-op) with Fair sporting rules and emphasis of wrestling above drama and that will always separate them from WWE.
 

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I often wonder if Crockett had won in the 80's how much better Wrestling would be right now. They had the talent and the money to bury Vince but they spend beyond their means. What a shame because I consider Crockett from 84 to 89 to be the best all around product ever.
The NWA Jim Crockett Promotions was the greatest promotion and era of wrestling that I have ever seen. Just total wrestling perfection. (Especially around 1986.)
 
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