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Kenny isn't as well known to Western fans. And they want to attract as many people to their product as possible to start with. Using this idea, it'd even make more sense to put the title on Moxley before Kenny TBH.

So let Kenny feud with Moxley, who IS known more to Western fans and build up his profile for awhile and THEN have him win the title.

Also it gets around the potential complaints of The Elite "only pushing themselves."
firstable no one gives a fuck about people complaining about the elite being pushed. If people dont watch wrestling for its quality but are more worried about backstage shit, then they can fuck off.
Secondly you are overestimating how over Moxley is. The western wrestling fanbase , is just an hardcore fanbase. That's it only 2 millions people watch raw, the wrestling fanbase has diminished to a point where its incredible, most are lapsed fans. And omega is hell well known to the western hardcore fanbase. That's the reason why they were selling out arenas in the west with him. Because they are a draw among the western fanbase( which is at this point an hardcore fanbase)
I can understand the decision of giving Moxley the win but people acting like it needs to happen because he is some super popular dude is ridiculous. None of these guys except Y2j is a mainstream name. Period
Should Moxley win? Certainly
Is it because of his popularity? Fuck no, it's because they want omega to do the chase because he is phenomenal at it and it's an important part to establish him as the fave of the company. The same way njpw had him do the chase so when he became champ he gave that "best in the world aura"
 

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He's a known star and a commodity in the wrestling business, and considering AEW has to lean predominantly on unknowns, its good to have him around to kind of rub off on everybody and make it feel bigger.

He's not a Rock level star or anything like that, but he lends a little more credibility to the proceedings, and that prevents AEW from being perceived as an Indy with a budget, at least for now.
 

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Jericho is THE focus?

News to me. Sure he is part of the focus. But last I checked, for a company that's only 1 show old for crying out loud, there putting just as much focus on guys like Omega, Mox, Cody, The Bucks, MJF, Hangman. etc.

Jericho is a big name in the wrestling world to help them establish some credibility plus he's established himself away from WWE the last 2 years in Japan and now in AEW. It's not like he's still trotting out the list or wearing a suit or screaming "C'mon Baby!" He's made the effort to reinvent himself.

So there's really nothing wrong with what they're doing.
 

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firstable no one gives a fuck about people complaining about the elite being pushed. If people dont watch wrestling for its quality but are more worried about backstage shit, then they can fuck off.
Secondly you are overestimating how over Moxley is. The western wrestling fanbase , is just an hardcore fanbase. That's it only 2 millions people watch raw, the wrestling fanbase has diminished to a point where its incredible, most are lapsed fans. And omega is hell well known to the western hardcore fanbase. That's the reason why they were selling out arenas in the west with him. Because they are a draw among the western fanbase( which is at this point an hardcore fanbase)
I can understand the decision of giving Moxley the win but people acting like it needs to happen because he is some super popular dude is ridiculous. None of these guys except Y2j is a mainstream name. Period
Should Moxley win? Certainly
Is it because of his popularity? Fuck no, it's because they want omega to do the chase because he is phenomenal at it and it's an important part to establish him as the fave of the company. The same way njpw had him do the chase so when he became champ he gave that "best in the world aura"
What was the biggest venue that Omega sold out in the US?
 

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firstable no one gives a fuck about people complaining about the elite being pushed. If people dont watch wrestling for its quality but are more worried about backstage shit, then they can fuck off.
Secondly you are overestimating how over Moxley is. The western wrestling fanbase , is just an hardcore fanbase. That's it only 2 millions people watch raw, the wrestling fanbase has diminished to a point where its incredible, most are lapsed fans. And omega is hell well known to the western hardcore fanbase. That's the reason why they were selling out arenas in the west with him. Because they are a draw among the western fanbase( which is at this point an hardcore fanbase)
I can understand the decision of giving Moxley the win but people acting like it needs to happen because he is some super popular dude is ridiculous. None of these guys except Y2j is a mainstream name. Period
Should Moxley win? Certainly
Is it because of his popularity? Fuck no, it's because they want omega to do the chase because he is phenomenal at it and it's an important part to establish him as the fave of the company. The same way njpw had him do the chase so when he became champ he gave that "best in the world aura"
What was the biggest venue that Omega sold out in the US?
the G1 San Francisco, 2018 was around 2018.
Ps : inb4 anything its impossible to know even how Moxley can sell, maybe he can sell more than when he was doing in the us because he is unrestricted, maybe not. Thing is, in wwe the show rarely sell out due to the talent but due to the wwe machine.
And again I still insist that people arguing that anyone bar Jericho in that roster as mainstream popularity is just daydreaming.
 

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the G1 San Francisco, 2018 was around 2018.
Ps : inb4 anything its impossible to know even how Moxley can sell, maybe he can sell more than when he was doing in the us because he is unrestricted, maybe not. Thing is, in wwe the show rarely sell out due to the talent but due to the wwe machine.
And again I still insist that people arguing that anyone bar Jericho in that roster as mainstream popularity is just daydreaming.
That wasn't a sell out. They had an attendance of 6000 in a venue that was set up to seat 10K people.

Jericho is more well known because he was a part of the hottest period of wrestling ever, but at this moment in time, Moxley is their hottest star.
 

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the G1 San Francisco, 2018 was around 2018.
Ps : inb4 anything its impossible to know even how Moxley can sell, maybe he can sell more than when he was doing in the us because he is unrestricted, maybe not. Thing is, in wwe the show rarely sell out due to the talent but due to the wwe machine.
And again I still insist that people arguing that anyone bar Jericho in that roster as mainstream popularity is just daydreaming.
That wasn't a sell out. They had an attendance of 6000 in a venue that was set up to seat 10K people.

Jericho is more well known because he was a part of the hottest period of wrestling ever, but at this moment in time, Moxley is their hottest star.
indeed the previous year was the one that did well.
Jericho is their biggest star period, that's what I said. Dont care about the reason bro.......
course Moxley is their hottest star, because the "hot" star is heavily relying on a buzz. And Moxley is their latest big name, went straight from the wwe to a rival promotion. And ended the last show on top crashing at the end of their main event. How is he not supposed to be their hottest star? In fact I do agree with it. That was never my point to begin with :lol
But being hot and being the mega popular guy that people are selling me is two thing. Moxley isnt mainstream hence he is well known in the wrestling community which is basically a hardcore audience at this point. That's my point.
Ps : I had every show done in the us with the numbers, but I'll look for them and certainly post them.
 

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I guess you did not watch Omega v. Jericho... Both times!

AEW needs big names to bring people to watch. Why do you think the NJPW world had a 40% increase for the run up to Wrestle Kingdom 12??

But hey he doesn't draw... :heston
 

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indeed the previous year was the one that did well.
Jericho is their biggest star period, that's what I said. Dont care about the reason bro.......
course Moxley is their hottest star, because the "hot" star is heavily relying on a buzz. And Moxley is their latest big name, went straight from the wwe to a rival promotion. And ended the last show on top crashing at the end of their main event. How is he not supposed to be their hottest star? In fact I do agree with it. That was never my point to begin with :lol
But being hot and being the mega popular guy that people are selling me is two thing. Moxley isnt mainstream hence he is well known in the wrestling community which is basically a hardcore audience at this point. That's my point.
Ps : I had every show done in the us with the numbers, but I'll look for them and certainly post them.
Yes, the one from 2017 was a sellout, but they only had 2300 people. It was a small venue.

It's not Omega's fault. He just simply has not been exposed to a big American audience, until now.
 

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indeed the previous year was the one that did well.
Jericho is their biggest star period, that's what I said. Dont care about the reason bro.......
course Moxley is their hottest star, because the "hot" star is heavily relying on a buzz. And Moxley is their latest big name, went straight from the wwe to a rival promotion. And ended the last show on top crashing at the end of their main event. How is he not supposed to be their hottest star? In fact I do agree with it. That was never my point to begin with <img src="http://i.imgur.com/EGDmCdR.gif?1?6573" border="0" alt="" title="Laugh" class="inlineimg" />
But being hot and being the mega popular guy that people are selling me is two thing. Moxley isnt mainstream hence he is well known in the wrestling community which is basically a hardcore audience at this point. That's my point.
Ps : I had every show done in the us with the numbers, but I'll look for them and certainly post them.
Yes, the one from 2017 was a sellout, but they only had 2300 people. It was a small venue.

It's not Omega's fault. He just simply has not been exposed to a big American audience, until now.
and that was the point that they could sell more , which was right when they sold out all in but it doesnt count because the event in itself/the concept sold the event. Same for double or nothing and all out was sold out for the same reason, the success of DON, they hype, the good news about it , the critical acclaim and the quality of the show. Which was ALSO my point. So far none of them are a draw except Y2j and omega in the us. Am I saying Moxley isnt ? Fuck no ( which is why this conversation was useless to begin with) I am saying when someone is just out of the awe we cant use his wwe feats to establish him as a draw/guy that sell because in wwe the brand itself is the draw. Which was my point when people started saying Moxley was a huge draw, I said no we dont know. Because we cant use his wwe feats. Which were basically the wwe brand drawing the events.
How was that difficult to understand? I dont know. At this point even cody is proved a draw. No matter how small he draws, as for someone like moey we cant know YET because we cant take the wwe drawing and attributing it to a star.( except guys like the rock stone cold or cena).
And AEW is following the wwe path, its the idea, the concept of aew and the way they present themselves that draws. ( plus the period we are in)
 

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and that was the point that they could sell more , which was right when they sold out all in but it doesnt count because the event in itself/the concept sold the event. Same for double or nothing and all out was sold out for the same reason, the success of DON, they hype, the good news about it , the critical acclaim and the quality of the show. Which was ALSO my point. So far none of them are a draw except Y2j and omega in the us. Am I saying Moxley isnt ? Fuck no ( which is why this conversation was useless to begin with) I am saying when someone is just out of the awe we cant use his wwe feats to establish him as a draw/guy that sell because in wwe the brand itself is the draw. Which was my point when people started saying Moxley was a huge draw, I said no we dont know. Because we cant use his wwe feats. Which were basically the wwe brand drawing the events.
How was that difficult to understand? I dont know. At this point even cody is proved a draw. No matter how small he draws, as for someone like moey we cant know YET because we cant take the wwe drawing and attributing it to a star.( except guys like the rock stone cold or cena).
And AEW is following the wwe path, its the idea, the concept of aew and the way they present themselves that draws. ( plus the period we are in)
If the discussion was about who would be a better champion, from a business perspective, then the correct answer would be Jericho followed by Moxley. These are the two that would bring a much bigger following with them than anyone else on the roster, by a wide margin. The people in charge seem to be well aware of this. If they thought making Omega the champion right off the bat would have been a profitable idea, they would have put him over Jericho, since he's younger.

Omega will be a champion, for sure, but from a business standpoint, it makes much more sense to first put the title on the guys with the much bigger fanbases. Omega will be built up in the meantime.
 

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and that was the point that they could sell more , which was right when they sold out all in but it doesnt count because the event in itself/the concept sold the event. Same for double or nothing and all out was sold out for the same reason, the success of DON, they hype, the good news about it , the critical acclaim and the quality of the show. Which was ALSO my point. So far none of them are a draw except Y2j and omega in the us. Am I saying Moxley isnt ? Fuck no ( which is why this conversation was useless to begin with) I am saying when someone is just out of the awe we cant use his wwe feats to establish him as a draw/guy that sell because in wwe the brand itself is the draw. Which was my point when people started saying Moxley was a huge draw, I said no we dont know. Because we cant use his wwe feats. Which were basically the wwe brand drawing the events.
How was that difficult to understand? I dont know. At this point even cody is proved a draw. No matter how small he draws, as for someone like moey we cant know YET because we cant take the wwe drawing and attributing it to a star.( except guys like the rock stone cold or cena).
And AEW is following the wwe path, its the idea, the concept of aew and the way they present themselves that draws. ( plus the period we are in)
If the discussion was about who would be a better champion, from a business perspective, then the correct answer would be Jericho followed by Moxley. These are the two that would bring a much bigger following with them than anyone else on the roster, by a wide margin. The people in charge seem to be well aware of this. If they thought making Omega the champion right off the bat would have been a profitable idea, they would have put him over Jericho, since he's younger.
the initial plan according to Dave was to make omega their first ever aew champion after him beating pac. But the pac thing made it go woosp.
And I fundamentally disagree putting the title on every wwe guy that were in the wwe main event first because"well they are stars" is tna level of bullshit. And I stand by this even if they do it. From a business perspective building future stars and not relying on ex wwe guys' popularity is the way to go. Which they are perfectly doing by putting y2j against a young lion in Page. Then what if another big wwe guy like balor comes they also put the title on him next because "lol he was already popular in wwe"? M'yeah thank you
Long term booking creating stars is the way, dont put the title on people just because they were wwe guys one after the other, in a short term business perspective that the good way. Long term? I dont think so
If y2j is the first champion putting the title on Moxley next is basically putting the title on every big wwe guys that you have, so no I wouldn't support that and it would be very tna-like for me.
But if y2j isnt the first champion, then putting the title on Moxley next is a no brainer then. Thinking long term is the way they should go for me.

Omega will be a champion, for sure, but from a business standpoint, it makes much more sense to first put the title on the guys with the much bigger fanbases. Omega will be built up in the meantime.
yeah in other words put the title on every ex wwe main eventer you have. Isnt that the same shit people crap on tna for doing? :lol
From a business perspective build you own star quickly. Omega hangman and mjf are their non-wwe guys that have main event written all over them with omega already being a main event name. Building them as fast as possible and putting the title on them is the way. Not throwing your title on every wwe guy because "they have a big fanbase" you write to create new stars not to make the fanbase of an ex wwe guy happy because their favourite who was mistreated is now champ
I still think giving your top title to two wwe guys back to back is a terrible idea.
 

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the initial plan according to Dave was to make omega their first ever aew champion after him beating pac. But the pac thing made it go woosp.
And I fundamentally disagree putting the title on every wwe guy that were in the wwe main event first because"well they are stars" is tna level of bullshit. And I stand by this even if they do it. From a business perspective building future stars and not relying on ex wwe guys' popularity is the way to go. Which they are perfectly doing by putting y2j against a young lion in Page. Then what if another big wwe guy like balor comes they also put the title on him next because "lol he was already popular in wwe"? M'yeah thank you
Long term booking creating stars is the way, dont put the title on people just because they were wwe guys one after the other, in a short term business perspective that the good way. Long term? I dont think so
If y2j is the first champion putting the title on Moxley next is basically putting the title on every big wwe guys that you have, so no I wouldn't support that and it would be very tna-like for me.
But if y2j isnt the first champion, then putting the title on Moxley next is a no brainer then. Thinking long term is the way they should go for me.

yeah in other words put the title on every ex wwe main eventer you have. Isnt that the same shit people crap on tna for doing? :lol
From a business perspective build you own star quickly. Omega hangman and mjf are their non-wwe guys that have main event written all over them with omega already being a main event name. Building them as fast as possible and putting the title on them is the way. Not throwing your title on every wwe guy because "they have a big fanbase" you write to create new stars not to make the fanbase of an ex wwe guy happy because their favourite who was mistreated is now champ
I still think giving your top title to two wwe guys back to back is a terrible idea.
There's only two ex-WWE guys, and they actually happen to be great. It's not like we're talking about 10 ex-WWE guys with no talent and putting the title on them just because they were in WWE. It makes sense, when you're trying to get a new promotion off the ground, to feature your biggest stars above everyone else. You build new stars by first securing a large audience, and then having your established stars putting over the other guys.

If we were talking about someone like PAC, then I wouldn't even make him champion at all. Ever. Regardless of the fact that he was in WWE.
 

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the initial plan according to Dave was to make omega their first ever aew champion after him beating pac. But the pac thing made it go woosp.
And I fundamentally disagree putting the title on every wwe guy that were in the wwe main event first because"well they are stars" is tna level of bullshit. And I stand by this even if they do it. From a business perspective building future stars and not relying on ex wwe guys' popularity is the way to go. Which they are perfectly doing by putting y2j against a young lion in Page. Then what if another big wwe guy like balor comes they also put the title on him next because "lol he was already popular in wwe"? M'yeah thank you
Long term booking creating stars is the way, dont put the title on people just because they were wwe guys one after the other, in a short term business perspective that the good way. Long term? I dont think so
If y2j is the first champion putting the title on Moxley next is basically putting the title on every big wwe guys that you have, so no I wouldn't support that and it would be very tna-like for me.
But if y2j isnt the first champion, then putting the title on Moxley next is a no brainer then. Thinking long term is the way they should go for me.

yeah in other words put the title on every ex wwe main eventer you have. Isnt that the same shit people crap on tna for doing? <img src="http://i.imgur.com/EGDmCdR.gif?1?6573" border="0" alt="" title="Laugh" class="inlineimg" />
From a business perspective build you own star quickly. Omega hangman and mjf are their non-wwe guys that have main event written all over them with omega already being a main event name. Building them as fast as possible and putting the title on them is the way. Not throwing your title on every wwe guy because "they have a big fanbase" you write to create new stars not to make the fanbase of an ex wwe guy happy because their favourite who was mistreated is now champ
I still think giving your top title to two wwe guys back to back is a terrible idea.
There's only two ex-WWE guys, and they actually happen to be great. It's not like we're talking about 10 ex-WWE guys with no talent and just putting the title on them just because they were in WWE. It makes sense, when you're trying to get a new promotion off the ground, to feature your biggest stars above everyone else. You build new stars by first securing a large audience, and then having your established stars putting over the other guys.
and to build new stars you dont need to put the title on the wwe guys. Again, if you want to put the title on Moxley give it to hangman who then beat y2j and then you send Moxley to haunt his fucking soul into the abyss to take the title. He is a tweener he can do both heel and face.
If you put the title on y2j, let omega do the chase, they have an history together and then end their trilogy.
There is only 2 wwe guys and putting the title on the two of them back to back prove exactly that you are just doing tna writing. You only have two of them and you immediately start putting your title on wwe guys only, it's a very bad look.
When you want to create stars, you do it immediately you dont put your titles on wwe guys first and then when you are done putting your title on the wwe guys you have then start to use it to hype your homegrown guy.
That's my point, doing a Moxley vs y2j is pretty meh. Either Moxley vs hangman or y2j vs omega at least for me.
Dont start sending that all rotten tna message all over again.
 

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Jericho on the mic unhinged overrides pretty much anything ive heard in the last year on the mic from any talent of that other big company.
 

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He has 3 million followers on Twitter and I'm sure just as much on Instagram. Yet not one of the AEW videos about DoN on YouTube pages directly connected to the company have over a million views. So if he can't even bring them a million views on YouTube how many folk do you think will be turning in on TV because Jericho is there?
https://youtu.be/iCyxT-LKfO0

Basically at 1 million views, with Jericho as the featured part of the video. AEW’s highest viewed video.
 

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https://youtu.be/iCyxT-LKfO0



Basically at 1 million views, with Jericho as the featured part of the video. AEW’s highest viewed video.
But again while I don't think Jericho is a bad addition to the roster. I don't think he's going to draw enough to justify him possibly being first champ. I think it'll be similar to Brock now, where he's not really the draw he's talked up to be.

I mean we all know Truth isn't on the same level as Jericho as a star, yet his videos with the 24/7 title are multiple times bigger. That's why too me it just makes more sense to come out the gate with Omega vs Moxley for the title with Moxley winning since nobody is a substantial draw. Or hell in hindsight maybe even having Jericho vs Omega 2 for the title at DoN and using that as a notch in Kenny's belt.
 

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But again while I don't think Jericho is a bad addition to the roster. I don't think he's going to draw enough to justify him possibly being first champ. I think it'll be similar to Brock now, where he's not really the draw he's talked up to be.

I mean we all know Truth isn't on the same level as Jericho as a star, yet his videos with the 24/7 title are multiple times bigger. That's why too me it just makes more sense to come out the gate with Omega vs Moxley for the title with Moxley winning since nobody is a substantial draw. Or hell in hindsight maybe even having Jericho vs Omega 2 for the title at DoN and using that as a notch in Kenny's belt.
Yeah Moxley vs Omega for the title would certainly have been better. Thing is they only signed Moxley about a month before the PPV I believe so maybe they were hesitant to change the outcomes so close to the PPV?
 

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Yeah Moxley vs Omega for the title would certainly have been better. Thing is they only signed Moxley about a month before the PPV I believe so maybe they were hesitant to change the outcomes so close to the PPV?
I think that would've been the perfect change when PAC dropped out.
 

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Yeah Moxley vs Omega for the title would certainly have been better. Thing is they only signed Moxley about a month before the PPV I believe so maybe they were hesitant to change the outcomes so close to the PPV?
I think that would've been the perfect change when PAC dropped out.
Moxley vs Omega is a better match, but Jericho vs Page for the title feels right. Especially if the plan is to have Jericho becoming the first champion.

Jericho as heel champion brings many possibilities. The chase for the title would be very interesting with him holding the title.
 
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