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Re: What is it about AJ Styles matches that are not clicking when should be huge matches

How many actually remember the Orton vs Styles match at WM35?
How many people remember what happened at the last five PPVs ? There's nothing memorable about WWE anymore.

And Styles is one of their best workers.
 

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Guess Im in minority since I enjoyed his matches with Ricochet, Cena, and Seth. The Nakamura matches I put that on Nakamura being lazy and sloppy.
 

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No, not now, since 1998.

When you have a terrible match with Okada of all people, you shouldn't be in the business.
I know better than to try and change your mind. But I'll see your new Japan okada match, and raise you his new Japan Suzuki match.

I'll give you the fact that aj has never blown me away on the mic. In fact, during the majority of his tna run I'd either have to change the channel or focus on something else if he was cutting a promo. BUT...! If were talking about in the ring?! Aj has a ton of classics just in tna alone. I know you're a samoa Joe guy. You didn't love the 3 way with them and daniels?!

Those are a couple of examples of aj being fantastic in the ring. But hey, to each their own. Just seems like your opinion is a bit harsh
 

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Because he's an indie spot monkey soccer mom.
 

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Because his feuds are duds for the most part. bryan had more heat with burgers than AJ in their last feud
 

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I liked his Cena matches and his Brock match.
 

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I mostly blame it on the fact that they are happening on the main roster and main roster men have a difficult time having great matches. When I look back on all my favorite matches from the last 3 years, it is basically 90% NXT. But AJ Still has great matches every year. This year he had a great match with Seth Rollins. It is just that the main roster format sucks and half the time the main roster crowd is never into the match because they are never into any match because they love to basically just hate everything put in front of them. But when i think of all the GREAT main roster matches of the last 3 years, it looks like this (not counting 205 live):

2019:
Daniel Bryan vs. Kofi Kingston
AJ STyles vs. Daniel Bryan vs. jeff Hardy vs. Kofi Kingston vs. Randy Orton vs. Samoa Joe (Elimination Chamber)
AJ Styles vs. Seth Rollins
Andrade vs. Rey Mysterio
Daniel Bryan vs. Kevin Owens vs. Mustafa Ali

2018:
Brock Lesnar vs. Daniel Bryan
Becky Lynch vs. Charlotte Flair
Asuka vs. Becky Lynch vs. Charlotte Flair
Ambrose & Rollins vs. Ziggler & McIntyre
AJ Styles vs. Daniel Bryan
AJ STyles vs. Daniel Bryan
Seth Rollins vs. The Miz
AJ Styles vs. Samoa Joe
New Day vs. The bar
AJ STyles vs. Samoa Joe
AJ Styles vs. Shinsuke Nakamura (Last man Standing)
Kevin Owens vs. Seth Rollins
Asuka vs. Charlotte Flair

2017:
Braun STrowman vs. Brock Lesnar vs. Roman Reigns vs. Samoa Joe
AJ Styles vs. john Cena
New Day vs. The Usos
Elimintaion Chamber (STyles, Wyatt, Corbin, Ambrose, Cena, Miz)
AJ Styles vs. Finn Balor
New Day vs. Usos again
The Bar vs. Ambrose and Rollins
Money in the Bank (STyles, Corbin, Ziggler, owens, Zayn, Nakamura)
AJ Styles vs. Dean Ambrose

So now that I list out all of the great main roster matches of the last 3 years I realize a couple things. There really aren't that many of them considering the amount of talent they have andAJ Styles name is basically all over these lists. When it comes to why these big time matches seem to be falling short I think a lot of it has to do with how main roster matches are produced. I guarantee that AJ vs. Ricochet at an NXT Takeover would blow the roof off the place. But on the main roster, they get held back and they perform in front of a dead crowd so it takes away a lot of they excitement.
 

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Re: What is it about AJ Styles matches that are not clicking when should be huge matches

He isn't that good even when he was young on TNA I never got the hype.
 

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I still think Styles is great, and hell, his match with Orton was literally GALAXIES ahead of Kofi's match with Orton, and they had to deal with the retarded light issues. His match with Rollins was really good. His match with Joe were awesome, I don't know what you are on about that, he's had Joe's best singles matches on the roster. His matches with Nakamura weren't even bad, just underwhelming, the last man standing match was actually really good, and the Backlash match was going really well until that atrocious finish. Everyone loved Rollins' match with Lesnar, but I think AJ had the better match with Lesnar.

I think AJ just set the bar so fucking astronomically high with his first year, the matches with Reigns/Cena/Ambrose were epic, and he carried Shane to a great match.
 

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Chemistry plays a big part in having a great match. I dont know what is getting in the way of him having amazing matches but I do know it takes two people to have a great match so it doesn't fall squarely on one person. Plus, I know a lot of you who are hating on AJ shouldn't really be saying much when your favorite wrestler doesn't even have 1/5th the match catalog that AJ has.
 

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His matches work just fine for me :draper2

I mean given the restraints that WWE puts on all their talent when it comes to matches not withstanding.
 

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I don't like his moveset, I'd go into a more detailed critique but I haven't watched one of his matches in so long I can't remember exactly what I hate about him.
 

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I know better than to try and change your mind. But I'll see your new Japan okada match, and raise you his new Japan Suzuki match.

I'll give you the fact that aj has never blown me away on the mic. In fact, during the majority of his tna run I'd either have to change the channel or focus on something else if he was cutting a promo. BUT...! If were talking about in the ring?! Aj has a ton of classics just in tna alone. I know you're a samoa Joe guy. You didn't love the 3 way with them and daniels?!

Those are a couple of examples of aj being fantastic in the ring. But hey, to each their own. Just seems like your opinion is a bit harsh
I loved whenever Joe would do something, otherwise it was just AJ doing SPOTZ. Nothing I hate more than that, it makes a mockery of the business. At least in WWE he's toned down that bullshit, but he still does too much of it. Whenever I've watched one of his TNA matches, I've hated them. I hated his match with Okada, I hated his match in Nakamura in New Japan. I told people based on that match that their WrestleMania match was gonna suck and everybody told me I was crazy, and low and behold majority opinion is that that match fucking sucked.

I didn't see the Suzuki match because I'm not gonna hunt down and watch every AJ match to determine that he's capable of having a great match, but if you'll tell me the name of the event, I guess I can take a look at it just so I can tell you I hated it, because I'm willing to look at it before I make a definitive statement. Even in saying that, though, if he can't have a good match with the best wrestler of all time, he can't have a good match in a promotion he was in for over a decade, including against prime Joe who was out of this world, and he can't have a good match in WWE despite being there for four years, then what difference does one singular example prove? There are plenty of bad wrestlers who've had one performance that stands out. Hell, Miz had one with Seth Rollins last year, Miz is still a bad wrestler.
 

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On paper Ricochet and AJ was a dream match for me.Taking out Ricochet's leg made perfect sense kayfabe wise, but it was a super disappointing decision.It really handicapped the coolest story they could have told, old school flyer vs new school flyer. I think weird decisions like that have made some of his spotlight matches underwhelming as hell... which I can admit as an enormous AJ Styles mark.
IDK if that's WWE, the match's agent or AJ himself making these calls, but stop it.
That's not even a weird decision, that's got to be 90+ percent of every WWE match where somebody can fly, they make somebody come into the match injured which makes all the high flying feel phony, or they have one of the wrestlers work the bejeezus out of somebody's knees, calves and ankles, do like, 25 things to somebody's legs at a point in the match, then it slows the match down, and you came to see the wrestler fly around anyhow so he's still going to get all his shit in while wincing and grimacing, so now the match is super phony.

Show me one WWE PPV match where two high flyers rip it up full bore for 15 minutes with the story being one quick cat was a bit quicker than the other, Quick Draw McGraw was the fastest gunslinger in the West that night, and I'll show you at least 10 WWE house style "work the X" BS matches that go 20 minutes, 30 minutes, 40+ minutes to feel "epic."

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He needs to learn to no sell more. The fans love that good shit. :vince$:Cocky
 

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I loved whenever Joe would do something, otherwise it was just AJ doing SPOTZ. Nothing I hate more than that, it makes a mockery of the business. At least in WWE he's toned down that bullshit, but he still does too much of it. Whenever I've watched one of his TNA matches, I've hated them. I hated his match with Okada, I hated his match in Nakamura in New Japan. I told people based on that match that their WrestleMania match was gonna suck and everybody told me I was crazy, and low and behold majority opinion is that that match fucking sucked.

I didn't see the Suzuki match because I'm not gonna hunt down and watch every AJ match to determine that he's capable of having a great match, but if you'll tell me the name of the event, I guess I can take a look at it just so I can tell you I hated it, because I'm willing to look at it before I make a definitive statement. Even in saying that, though, if he can't have a good match with the best wrestler of all time, he can't have a good match in a promotion he was in for over a decade, including against prime Joe who was out of this world, and he can't have a good match in WWE despite being there for four years, then what difference does one singular example prove? There are plenty of bad wrestlers who've had one performance that stands out. Hell, Miz had one with Seth Rollins last year, Miz is still a bad wrestler.


We agree on most things. Miz and somoa Joe in this instance. But like you said, I dont think one match is going to sway your opinion. For what it's worth, aj faced Suzuki in the g1. I'm not for certain which year, but I think aj only competed in the g1 one time. I feel like aj showed great psychology in that match. Even to the point where the match was finished. He still sold his arm while struggling to do his glove taunt. It was great stuff
 

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His in ring charisma and storytelling is lacking
 

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He's not a good storytelling. He used to get by on flashy moves but he's old and doesn't have that anymore.

I've honestly never thought of Styles as anything more than capable. He has very few matches that I go back and watch. Even the Cena and Brock matches are NOT WORTH rewatching.

His best match ever is probably the one he had with Suzuki and it lasted like what, 10 minutes?

And for like the past 2 or 3 years every match he has is this plodding, slow, boring bowl of bland spaghetti where he does a few strikes, rests, strikes, rests and then does a ushigaroshi, forearm or styles clash as the only interesting things. He never conveys interesting emotion, or gets the crowd pumped or... Fuck, anything

I've been biting my tongue for some reason but if I'm being honest with myself, AJ Styles sucks in the ring. And the next time you see a dream match on paper involving him, remember this thread because it'll disappoint
 
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