[189558]

First and foremost let me say that I'm sure this thread has been done at least once before. But last week I bought a VHS copy of "nWo: Back In Black" for $7.99 (for anybody who cares) and just got around to watching it today. Anyways, toward the beginning Scott Hall said that he didn't want to leave the WWF, but had to do what he felt was best for his family. So that got me to thinking what would the wrestling world be like if Scott "Razor Ramon" Hall and Kevin "Diesel" Nash stayed with the WWF in 1996 instead of jumping ship.

Obviously, the nWo was one of the main reasons for the 90's boom period for wrestling. The Outsiders were a huge piece to that puzzle of the birth of the nWo. In the same sense in my mind the nWo also made WCW a lot more watchable (well the early days of the nWo at least). I'm sure Hulk Hogan would of retired from full-time competition by the time 1998 rolled around. WCW would of probably have more of a feel that TNA currently has. By my guesses WCW would of been strictly about Bill Goldberg, Sting and the Cruiserweights. While Goldberg and Sting were big deals nonetheless. Without the nWo I could see Goldberg of being some major heel by 1999 and the streak would of probably went longer than it did.

Back to Hall & Nash though. I don't think they would of always had their Razor Ramon and Diesel names by the mid/late 90s if they stayed with the WWF. Eventually, I think their names would of been changed to strictly Scott Hall and Kevin Nash. D-Generation X to an extent probably would of never happened or at least the name. Think The Kliq would eventually have an on-air stable together. Guys like The Outlaws would of been their own team. I could of seen a Kliq/Hart Foundation feud going strong by mid-1997. Also, that would leave me to have doubts about Sean Waltman jumping to WCW as well. He would of been more of I guess the Brian Pillman (not a Loose Cannon, more or less the equivalent toward Pillman in the Hart Foundation) of the Kliq.

WWF Attitude would of still happened, as that was more thanks to ECW. But WCW as a whole would of been a different product.

What would be your thoughts if Hall & Nash stayed with the WWF?

 

[Jupiter Jack Daniels]

Honestly, I feel if they had never left in 1996, WCW may still be around today.

 

[LordKain]

Honestly, I feel if they had never left in 1996, WCW may still be around today.

No. WCW would of folded sometime between late 96 and 98. As far as the WWE goes personally I don't think the company would of seen 2000 either. I feel the kliq with all of there antics and politics would of completely killed the company by that point.

 

[OldschoolHero]

If Vince would have kept them, he would have had to releas other big name talents to make up for it. Warrior might not have ever come in and would have gone to wcw.

 

[Jupiter Jack Daniels]

No. WCW would of folded sometime between late 96 and 98. As far as the WWE goes personally I don't think the company would of seen 2000 either. I feel the kliq with all of there antics and politics would of completely killed the company by that point.

Care to explain why you feel that way?

 

[LordKain]

Care to explain why you feel that way?

Ted Turner was about to pull the plug on WCW. Hulk Hogan's signing with WCW had become a flop in just 4-5 short months. The Nitro ratings and PPV's buys were just terrible.

As far as the WWF/WWE goes all you have to do is look at the kliq's history to know that they would of chased out every potential star that would of signed with the company in order to keep themselves and over why? because they were group of miserable, short sighted, narrow minded narcissists. Kind of like who Vince McMahon has become today.

 

[Jupiter Jack Daniels]

Ted Turner was about to pull the plug on WCW. Hulk Hogan's signing WCW had become a flop after just 5 short months and both PPV buys and ratings had plumped.

As far as the WWF/WWE goes all you have to do is look at the kliq's history to know that they would of chased out every potential star that would of signed with the company in order to keep themselves and over why? because they were group of miserable, short sighted, narrow minded narcissists. Kind of like who Vince McMahon has become today.

Ted Turner didn't know shit about wrestling, which is why he had a revolving door of people to run the company. Not only that, WCW was owned by Time Warner and not solely Ted. Time Warner as a company, would have had the option to pull the plug on WCW. Most Ted could have done was sell his share of the company, and I've read that there were enough other shareholders to limit his influence with WCW. I also read that his wife was rather sick, which is when AOL-Time Warner sold WCW, against his wishes, meaning it would have taken more than Ted Turner to pull the plug on WCW.

You can say the rating plummeted but the fact is, NWA/GCW/JCP/WCW was pumping money into the Turner Networks for nearly 20 years. Ted just didn't know shit about wrestling and by his willing to spend whatever it took to make the company better and putting certain people in charge, it ultimately ruined the company. Once Hall and Nash came in, it started to die. Everything was a mess, Bischoff kept a loaded roster, which explains him being able to have 60 man battle royals and was giving out huge contracts. But, that all came from the influence and brainwashing of guys like Hall and Nash, which is sad that Ted/Time Warner didn't realize the harm they was doing to their own company.

And the second part of your posts explains the same thing I said about Hall and Nash, regarding WCW. You're saying they would have killed WWE and WWE has did great without them but disagree with me saying they killed WCW and WCW would still be around without them. Exact same scenario except WWE had guys in charge that knew how to put on a wrestling show, without giving guys HUGE contracts to do nothing. And I doubt Vince would be stupid enough to pay those guys millions to sit home.

 

[eyebrowmorroco]

... I'm sure Hulk Hogan would of retired from full-time competition by the time 1998 rolled around.

GTFO

 

[Rocky Mark]

a lot of things would've changes , since they aren't gonna leave the infamous MSG curtain call wouldn't have happened , thus Triple h wouldn't have gotten punished and eventually get his push as 1996 KOTR thus delaying the launching of the Attitude Era

WCW would've been in a whole lot of change , without Hall and Nash there wouldn't be no nWo thus no Hogan heel turn , and i doubt that WCW management at the time would risk Hogan turning heel solo

so no Hollywood Hogan = no Nitro dominating ratings = no need for Vince to push his envelope to the limits = no Attitude era

no Attitude Era = no hot competition = no wrestling boom = wrestling declines heavily

of course that's all speculations , maybe things would've turned otherwise


one thing is for sure , Austin wouldn't have had his badass Hell Frozen Over theme , it was originally made for Scott Hall (without the police sirens)

 

[Vic Capri]

Razor Ramon would have no doubt won the WWF Championship had he kept his act together.

- Vic

 

[Lm2]

i think if nash and hall would have stayed that wwe would have maybe suffered the same thing as wcw, hall and nash have big egos and they wanted money, thats it.

 

[JigsawKrueger]

Triple H would have won KOTR 96, that's for sure. That means no Austin 3:16, who they would have buried. The Rock would have had a hell of a hard time because it wouldn't have been only Michaels and Helmsley after him.

Bret Hart might have jumped ship to WCW in summer '96 - Bischoff would have made an offer he couldn't refuse. Followed by Bulldog and eventually Owen.

WCW's long term success depended on Hogan turning heel imo.

 

[the modern myth]

Imagine the WWF being run by Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Sean Walktman, Kevin Nash and Scott Hall. They would have bullied and connived their way into the power position, and it might have been quite good for a bit, but it couldn't have lasted.

 

[CM4]

I don't know, but I feel that wrestling would've still been the way it was in the late 90's, with shows like Jerry Springer and South Park peaking at the time wrestling would've went that same route regardless.

 

[Viking Hall]

I think it would have almost be polar opposites if I'm honest. If Hall and Nash had stayed then that would have meant they had negotiated better contracts than what WCW had offered, that would have made The Clique even more powerful backstage than they already were. WWF television would have revolved around them, Michaels, Nash and Hall trading the World title with the likes of The Undertaker thrown into the mix. Triple H and Sean Waltman would have dominated the Intercontinental Title scene with HHH perhaps occasionally being used as a main-eventer during hiatus's and when a 'fresh' face was needed in a feud.

I believe Bret Hart would have been driven out soon afterwards and would have headed to WCW and taken Owen Hart, Davey Boy, Jim Neidhart and possibly Brian Pillman with him and would become a far more major player in WCW than he ever was. Not only do I think Hart would have left but I think Austin would have probably left again, but whether he would have headed to WCW or ECW is another question, same goes for Foley and maybe even The Rock who I think would have fitted in well with some of the top guys in WCW at the time.

I think if WCW hadn't have had the NWO to bail them out they would have had to have taken a different route altogether which is why I think you would have probably seen the back of the likes of Hogan, Randy Savage and possibly even Flair and the focus being switched to WWF refugees, home-made stars and youngsters. I think Goldberg would have probably become more like how Brock Lesnar was presented in his early WWE days, as an unstoppable monster heel who simply has no weaknesses. The Giant would have become one of the biggest heels in the company as well as Owen Hart who I feel would have made an amazing heel World Champion. Bret Hart and Sting would certainly be the faces of the company however it's tricky to figure out who else may have filled the higher ranks when it comes to faces. There would be a few options, DDP managed to become a huge star and seemed to avoid the revolving door of heel/face turns in the WCW/NWO era so there's no reason why he couldn't have done the same here. Davey Boy was hugely popular in the early nineties but had his demons, if he'd got his momentum and kept those demons under control he would certainly have been a force to reckon with. Two other names that spring to mind would be Konnan and Eddy Guerrero, both had arrived in WCW in late 1995/early 1996 and both were coming off of the back of being two of the biggest stars in Mexico. With their proven drawing power, youth and exciting ring styles I could see them both being massive players in a more youth focussed WCW and I think both would have certainly been in the higher ranks of the roster.