There are no excuses but there you goWWE TODAY. Now what excuses do you have? Oh and I have more if you want.
Was never a fan of TNA or Impact and I only saw little snibbets of it here and there. But TNA was great back then it had great talent and great shows it just wasn't my cup of tea.Ok so, lets get this conversation back in the right direction. What was it that made you a fan of TNA and what was it that made you leave?
For me I'd have to say what made me a fan was the X Division. Plus I was already a fan of Jerry Lynn. Another was when they had the World X Cup. You didn't see to many cross promotion matches in the U.S. at that time.
What made me leave which really was the final straw was when AJ Styles left.
Around and half and half. Quite a few of the things you listed, such as Claire Lynch (which is around the level of the Stacy Keibler pregnancy angle in WCW... really bad, but pales in comparison to David Arquette and Russo winning the title, the Fingerpoke of Doom, Goldberg's streak ending early, Sting not winning clean at Starrcade, the numerous NWO returns, etc. in the grand scheme of things) and the set changes, are really irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. The Aces and Eights reveals, the Monday night fiasco, going on the road too early, Hogan's friends, Brooke Hogan, Dixie as a heel boss, not resigning the originals like AJ, Bad Influence, Roode, Joe, Sabin, etc., losing their Spike deal the way they did, etc. really hurt in the long run, so 2010-2014 was the main decline, even though 2012 was a really good year that still holds up today (Bully Ray, Austin Aries, and Roode in the main event scene, the formation of Bad Influence minus the Claire Lynch stuff, Gail's long KO title reign which restored prestige after numerous mediocre and short reigns from Velvet, Mickie, and Winter, etc.).I was so shocked to see it today. It really does look like a glorified indy. It would be great if Impact bounced back, but I don't see that happening. There's so much baggage in Impact that leaves a bad taste in fans mouths.
Here's a list that I feel are reasons TNA failed. Not all are major reasons but they did take it's toll on the company. Tell me which ones you agree with or disagree with.
1) Jeff Jarrett leaving- This wasn't bad... he pushed himself to the top of the company and was responsible for the GFW fiasco in 2007.
2) Dixie Carter becoming an on air personality/ Heel- Agree.
3) Hiring Hogan and Bischoff- Agree.
4) Not giving the title to Bobby Roode at Bound For Glory- At the time it happened, yes, but it has been proven that he's a better heel, so it wasn't a mistake at all. Roode's heel reign was great and would have been better than a face reign. Not letting Storm go over at Lockdown was a mistake, but then again, Aries was catching fire at the same time.
5) Aces of 8's and the horrible reveals- Agree.
6) RVD beating AJ Styles for the title in their first match ever.- This was really irrelevant as AJ wasn't buried at all from this. In fact, Pope lost more momentum from losing to AJ the night before, because he wasn't an established main eventer already. AJ was.
7) Downgrading the titles.- The X Division, yes, but the knockouts always got a lot of attention and the tag titles were consistently in the same spot. If you mean the titles like the Legends/Global/TV/KOTM/Grand titles, yes. No title should change its name that often in such a short amount of time and a few of the names were quite bad.
8) Breaking Up Beer Money- This was bound to happen whether Roode or Storm won the title.
9) Brooke Hogan- Agree.
10) Hogan's Friends- Agree.
11) Letting contracts expire and forgetting to renew- Agree.
12) Losing Spike TV- Agree.
13) Eliminating ppv's- PPV is basically irrelevant these days anyway with the decline of cable and the rise of Netflix, Hulu, Amazon Prime, etc.
14) Botched Monday Night programing- Agree.
15) Claire Lynch- Bad but irrelevant.
16) Letting Home grown talent go.- Agree.
17) Doing nothing with Bad Influence They did a lot with them, but didn't resign them, which goes into the above point.
18) Doing nothing with the knockouts after they became an important part of impact.- Certain knockouts, yes (Hamada, Sarita, and Taylor Wilde got depushed heavily as soon as Hogan and Bischoff showed up), but this corrected itself when Mickie debuted and Gail came back.
19) Eliminating King of the Mountain- Irrelevant.
20) Not firing Vince Russo fast enough- Agree.
21) Replacing world title with ugly Jeff Hardy belt.- Irrelevant, but Victory Road 2011 was a BIG deal.
22) Impact becoming the Hulk Hogan Show- Agree.
23) TNA drops name to Impact- This was good.
24) TNA Impact changes colors to look exactly like Smackdown!- Irrelevant.
25) Got rid of the 6 sided ring.- Irrelevant.
26) Lethal Lockdown with "Electricity"- Bad but irrelevant.
27) Making a big deal out of MVP- MVP was almost a main eventer in WWE at one point before the losing streak and face turn and is great on the mic and solid in the ring, so he should have been a big deal. If he was a jobber, wins over him would mean nothing, so he wouldn't technically be putting people over, as a win over him would mean nothing if he seldom or never won.
28) Botched revival of the Main Event Mafia- Bad but irrelevant.
29) Broke up LAX way too soon.- It was the right time, as LAX was around for three years and feuded with everybody as heels and faces. They just lost a LOT of steam after Konnan left, as he was their mic guy.
30) Make EV2- Agree.
31) Jeff Hardy incident on ppv with Sting and cheating fans out of a match.- Agree.
32) Flip Flopping networks.- Agree.
33) Everybody and their mother suing TNA- Agree.
34) Not paying talent, crew, and debt- Agree.
35) Dixie's parents finally cutting her off.- Agree.
Tell me what you think
Did you edit wiki yourself? Crowd not that bigDon't watch Impact but from the pictures that I've seen theres way more than 50 people in the stands.
Joey Ryan was going to sign with AEW last year. And Joey Ryan's gay penis flip isn't any different than AEW signing Nyla Rose (transgender). I don't watch Impact but here you go
Bound for Glory (2019) Date October 20, 2019 City Villa Park, Illinois Venue Odeum Expo Center Attendance 5,000
So they drew 5,000 people last year to their Wrestlemania event.
Tna never drew 10,000 fans. Highest is listed as 7100 for a ppv but even that is disputed. No TV taping got 5,000 - most much lower than that - that includes when they were on road. I don't count UK numbersI stopped watching TNA when every week they'd have a random gimmick match on. Oh this week it's a random hardcore match, next week it's a random cage match, oh here's a random TLC match, next week it's a spike on a pole match. Got ridiculous.
I stopped watching around the time they did the Manhattan Centre shows in 2014. The main focus of the show was an ECW invasion lead by Al Snow, Dudley Boys and Tommy Dreamer who were fighting Dixie Carter, Rhino, EC3, Rockstar Spud, Gene Snitsky and Ezekiel Jackson. At this point they still had Bobby Roode, Lashley, Samoa Joe and I think even Jeff Hardy as well but for whatever reason that lame ECW angle was up top and I'm the target of an ECW angle. I love ECW and I love Al, Dudleys and Dreamer but in 2014 it was way too late. I just found myself hating watching it every week so I didn't anymore.
Also, the year that Daniel Bryan won the WWE Title at Mania the very next episode of Impact they ripped it off completely. That one has stuck with me as one of the worst things TNA has ever done and was such an insult to everyone.
I heard in 2016 that Impact had really picked up with Broken Matt Hardy and his feud with Jeff was must see TV. I had a look at The Compound video that everyone was going crazy over and thought it was one of the worst things I'd ever seen and never came back unfortunately. I was a TNA fan from 2005 - 2014 pretty much full time but whoever was booking in 2014 (I think it was Jon Gaburick) really just killed my love and passion for the company and I don't think I'm the only one seeing where TNA is at now.
I occasionally watch clips because I'm still subscribed to their social media after all this time. I saw the Wrestlers Court angle with that idiot Joey Ryan and thought it was stupid, saw them heavily promoting Tessa Blanchard and her title win and cringed. They still use ECW guys pretty regularly also I've seen Dreamer on quite often, Sabu was on for a bit, RVD is now in a team with that idiot Joey Ryan, Rhino is hanging around, I even saw a clip of Raven and Sandman turning up within the past 12 months. Probably the only two on that list who should be on TV in 2020 is Rhino and Van Dam.
It is sad to see how bad it got for them. You've got people in this very thread talking excitedly about how Impact drew 1300 people for a big event with plenty of special guests whilst TNA used to draw 10,000 people back in the day at some Impact tapings.