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I hope this ends up with them eventually not doing anything and it stays the same, cos it's clear that most of us don't want the change. At least we can enjoy the cb and rep for awhile longer.
 

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I hope this ends up with them eventually not doing anything and it stays the same, cos it's clear that most of us don't want the change. At least we can enjoy the cb and rep for awhile longer.
It won't stay the same. One thing you learn very quickly in this life is that corporations do not care about the will of the people. They never have. They never will.
 

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I just don't understand the lack of direction about moving and now the threat of showcasing or strutting your power. Just shows how we as a community have really went back several steps by childish antics from a leadership committee.

What happened to freedom of speech?

Nobody wants to relocate!!!!
 

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I just don't understand the lack of direction about moving and now the threat of showcasing or strutting your power. Just shows how we as a community have really went back several steps by childish antics from a leadership committee.

What happened to freedom of speech?

Nobody wants to relocate!!!!
I'm putting the PM you sent me here in public not to embarrass you, but to address the members of forum broadly because some people don't seem to know what's what, or just blaming whoever as some people supposedly blamed me when this announcement first happened.
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Why are you calling me out specifically when the rest of the forum members are shitting on the leadership?

Freedom of speech is my right. You're calling me out when several other members, premium I might add.....are shitting on ALL admins all over this forum. Some Saying some pretty hard truth and derogatory towards the admins

I love chatting wrestling and having a community. But it's like the leadership DOES not care what their members want. Look at the AEW sub forum we members requested. Just its getting silly and pushing veteran members away.
The AEW thing was members here behaving like impatient dorks. We always had plans to give you guys a sub-forum and we had a actual time when we were going to do it, but you guys kept complaining instead of chilling out. When we finally gave you guys a sub-forum to quiet the noise, you guys still complained because it wasn't a main forum on the main page. Me personally, I would have told all of you to go fuck yourselves and waited to see the progression of the company before doing that, but another admin felt differently and was nice enough to grant your wishes and give you what you wanted.

Now to the real topic of discussion addressed toward all members:

The "leadership" of this forum is divided into two different categories. The Ownership and the Management. The Ownership is VerticalScope. They are responsible for all technical and software issues on this forum. The Administrator account is controlled by multiple people and the OG Jeff account is a singular VerticalScope employee. The Management is the Administrators followed by the Moderators. We control all Operational aspects of the forum.

To suggest that the admins don't care about the members or what goes on around here is quite frankly, bullshit. Allow me to discuss some of the current and former admins to give you insight on our fight for the members and their past contributions.

Platt, a current administrator has been on staff the longest out of anyone. Since 2006 and as admin since 2008. He got a bad wrap for years as one of the most hated members on this forum, but do you know how many times Platt called VerticalScope out on their bullshit over the years? Do you know how many times Platt was there when VerticalScope either proposed things or did things that was going to hurt the member base? Do you know how many times Platt was there behind the scenes when the site kept getting database errors and timing out? Did you also know that before youtube exploded and megaupload went down, Platt was the media god on this forum and uploaded the majority of wrestling content? If you wanted to watch anything wrestling related for any company at the time and you couldn't find it, he was the guy. He even sold mega compilation DVD's to members here.

I have been on staff since 2007 and an admin since 2008. Do you know they tried to jump into the our lane in terms of running the site when they knew nothing about our site and we had to tell them to go away multiple times over the years? Did you know that when VerticalScope panicked and locked everyone out of their accounts in 2016, I was answering emails, PM's and restoring people's accounts while I was at work on my work computer several hours each day for weeks? Do you know how many times I harassed VS tech support via email during high volume PPV times because the site would go down for 10 to 15 minutes at a time almost every month in the middle of a PPV? And getting a response was sometimes like pulling teeth? Do you know how many times I've verbally attacked VerticalScope for doing dumb shit? Here's an example from 2016.
And this is why I didn't respond to the first Administrator post. I'm so done with this whole thing. Tired of being fucked over. Tired of hearing corporate BS.


The only thing I want you guys to do is fix the fucking site so members can use it again. Every since you started this upgrade bullshit that WE DIDN'T WANT OR NEED a whole bunch of problems have been created. WE ARE LOSING QUITE A BIT OF ONLINE ACTIVITY BECAUSE PEOPLE CANNOT ACCESS THE SITE PROPERLY.

THIS WHOLE THING, INCLUDING THE PASSWORD SITUATION ON A FORUM THIS LARGE WITH A HUGE MEMBER BASE WITH OUTDATED EMAILS DATING BACK TO 2001 IS BULLSHIT. The fucking members deserve better than this. I'm tired of apologizing to members for shit our staff didn't do.
Did you know that a long, long time ago I use to a run a wrestling Be the Booker style league here with WF members? It was called "WWF" where I wrote long comedic style stories of WF members cutting promos on each other, wrestling matches against each other and winning titles. We had weekly shows, PPV's and titles. It was a nice addition to the forum and members loved it at the time.

JM, a former admin on two different occasions was there for a lot of things that went down with VerticalScope over the years and gave them shit when needed. Did you know that for a while, JM was the only admin that could get VerticalScope to respond to our requests? We would reach out to them and nobody would respond, but for some reason, JM was able to get responses for us and get things done. In fact, JM is responsible for several admin related implementations that has made this forum better because, besides having good ideas, he was the only one that could get through to them. Did you know he use to run a Graphics League on here when Graphics/Photoshop design was popular? It was quite successful and members enjoyed the competition.

Seabs, a former admin was there for members each time something went down behind the scenes. In fact, he may have handled some situations the best out of all of us in terms of temperament. He would type long paragraphs to explain how VerticalScope was wrong when things negatively effected members and he did it with intellect, boldness and at times that brilliant English wit. Did you know that like, Platt, Seabs was also a media god on this forum and provided hundreds of wrestling content links and compilations from any promotion including rare footage for members to watch before megaupload went down and before youtube blew up?

That Clique guy is kinda ok too. :heyman6

And the super mods & mods past and present have been a big help to this forum over the years with their many contributions.

You see, VerticalScope hasn't been around much since this announcement to answer questions because VerticalScope implementation plans are sometimes choatic. Also, they don't give a shit about this forum. If I didn't make that thread to tell people what was going to happen, people would have been left in the dark and the outrage would have been even greater. Sure, multiple times they have claimed they enjoy this forum in the chatbox, but really what they enjoy is the angry comments members make toward them. It's funny to them. Because they get paid to do this. This is their job. It's entertainment. So they get to laugh at everyone and go home to their lives like nothing happened while we are the ones dealing with the consequences of their actions. None of them are invested in this forum the way we are. Jeff is the only person that has shown a different attitude in regards to the treatment of this forum and actually being competent, but ultimately he works for a company that has their way of doing things and sometimes their way of doing things isn't always with our best interests in mind. It's a corporate business.

We had nothing to do with the current change to another layout. We are just as concerned as the members and our trust in them has been gone for years, but we have no choice but to trust them and I've encouraged all members to pitch in and help us in that other thread when we make this switch because we are all in this together.

We, the administrators and mods are not perfect. There are some decisions I've made in the past where I look back and realize the situation could have been handled better or differently, and I've even reached out to members via PM to address it. But collectively we try to do the right thing because we like this forum. In the grand scheme of things, we have never been the problem. We have been your protectors.
 

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I'm putting the PM you sent me here in public not to embarrass you, but to address the members of forum broadly because some people don't seem to know what's what, or just blaming whoever as some people supposedly blamed me when this announcement first happened.

The AEW thing was members here behaving like impatient dorks. We always had plans to give you guys a sub-forum and we had a actual time when we were going to do it, but you guys kept complaining instead of chilling out. When we finally gave you guys a sub-forum to quiet the noise, you guys still complained because it wasn't a main forum on the main page. Me personally, I would have told all of you to go fuck yourselves and waited to see the progression of the company before doing that, but another admin felt differently and was nice enough to grant your wishes and give you what you wanted.

Now to the real topic of discussion addressed toward all members:

The "leadership" of this forum is divided into two different categories. The Ownership and the Management. The Ownership is VerticalScope. They are responsible for all technical and software issues on this forum. The Administrator account is controlled by multiple people and the OG Jeff account is a singular VerticalScope employee. The Management is the Administrators followed by the Moderators. We control all Operational aspects of the forum.

To suggest that the admins don't care about the members or what goes on around here is quite frankly, bullshit. Allow me to discuss some of the current and former admins to give you insight on our fight for the members and their past contributions.

Platt, a current administrator has been on staff the longest out of anyone. Since 2006 and as admin since 2008. He got a bad wrap for years as one of the most hated members on this forum, but do you know how many times Platt called VerticalScope out on their bullshit over the years? Do you know how many times Platt was there when VerticalScope either proposed things or did things that was going to hurt the member base? Do you know how many times Platt was there behind the scenes when the site kept getting database errors and timing out? Did you also know that before youtube exploded and megaupload went down, Platt was the media god on this forum and uploaded the majority of wrestling content? If you wanted to watch anything wrestling related for any company at the time and you couldn't find it, he was the guy. He even sold mega compilation DVD's to members here.

I have been on staff since 2007 and an admin since 2008. Do you know they tried to jump into the our lane in terms of running the site when they knew nothing about our site and we had to tell them to go away multiple times over the years? Did you know that when VerticalScope panicked and locked everyone out of their accounts in 2016, I was answering emails, PM's and restoring people's accounts while I was at work on my work computer several hours each day for weeks? Do you know how many times I harassed VS tech support via email during high volume PPV times because the site would go down for 10 to 15 minutes at a time almost every month in the middle of a PPV? And getting a response was sometimes like pulling teeth? Do you know how many times I've verbally attacked VerticalScope for doing dumb shit? Here's an example from 2016.


Did you know that a long, long time ago I use to a run a wrestling Be the Booker style league here with WF members? It was called "WWF" where I wrote long comedic style stories of WF members cutting promos on each other, wrestling matches against each other and winning titles. We had weekly shows, PPV's and titles. It was a nice addition to the forum and members loved it at the time.

JM, a former admin on two different occasions was there for a lot of things that went down with VerticalScope over the years and gave them shit when needed. Did you know that for a while, JM was the only admin that could get VerticalScope to respond to our requests? We would reach out to them and nobody would respond, but for some reason, JM was able to get responses for us and get things done. In fact, JM is responsible for several admin related implementations that has made this forum better because, besides having good ideas, he was the only one that could get through to them. Did you know he use to run a Graphics League on here when Graphics/Photoshop design was popular? It was quite successful and members enjoyed the competition.

Seabs, a former admin was there for members each time something went down behind the scenes. In fact, he may have handled some situations the best out of all of us in terms of temperament. He would type long paragraphs to explain how VerticalScope was wrong when things negatively effected members and he did it with intellect, boldness and at times that brilliant English wit. Did you know that like, Platt, Seabs was also a media god on this forum and provided hundreds of wrestling content links and compilations from any promotion including rare footage for members to watch before megaupload went down and before youtube blew up?

That Clique guy is kinda ok too. :heyman6

And the super mods & mods past and present have been a big help to this forum over the years with their many contributions.

You see, VerticalScope hasn't been around much since this announcement to answer questions because VerticalScope implementation plans are sometimes choatic. Also, they don't give a shit about this forum. If I didn't make that thread to tell people what was going to happen, people would have been left in the dark and the outrage would have been even greater. Sure, multiple times they have claimed they enjoy this forum in the chatbox, but really what they enjoy is the angry comments members make toward them. It's funny to them. Because they get paid to do this. This is their job. It's entertainment. So they get to laugh at everyone and go home to their lives like nothing happened while we are the ones dealing with the consequences of their actions. None of them are invested in this forum the way we are. Jeff is the only person that has shown a different attitude in regards to the treatment of this forum and actually being competent, but ultimately he works for a company that has their way of doing things and sometimes their way of doing things isn't always with our best interests in mind. It's a corporate business.

We had nothing to do with the current change to another layout. We are just as concerned as the members and our trust in them has been gone for years, but we have no choice but to trust them and I've encouraged all members to pitch in and help us in that other thread when we make this switch because we are all in this together.

We, the administrators and mods are not perfect. There are some decisions I've made in the past where I look back and realize the situation could have been handled better or differently, and I've even reached out to members via PM to address it. But collectively we try to do the right thing because we like this forum. In the grand scheme of things, we have never been the problem. We have been your protectors.
Just wanna point out we THANK YOU for the AEW forum and not all of us were mad at you. I know I wasn't and om sorry you as the admin have to care the brunt of your boss' stupid actions. Its not you, its VS and most of us DO get that.

Yer a good Admin, H. I've worked with far worse.
 

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Stressing out the members for no reason, even got Liner here writing a novel

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Speaking of Media Gawds, Big Cal has been uploading links to retro video game shit for nigh on a decade now, when will he be made admin?

Get him to replace that Platt. I paid that man 69 cents and a basket of turnips in 1968 for some George Hackenschmidt DVDs, but he never sent them
 
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