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Bigger wrestlers draw more:

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Saw in Raw Ratings thread on how people like Bryan don't draw
Instead segments of Tensai,Khali,Big Show draw more

Do bigger guys actually draw more casuals than smaller wrestlers?

I don't mean giants but do people like HHH,Batista draw more than guys like Shawn,Punk and Bryan?
 

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That was certainly true back in the 70s and 80s when people still thought wrestling was real. People would think these huge dudes (who looked like they could beat up anybody) were legitimately locking up and beating the snot out of each other. Much more exciting than guys around the 180 pound range grappling each other. These days I don't know how true it is anymore. Today I think being able to work the mic is a bigger drawing factor than physical size.
 

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Don't really tackle that thread often, but I do skim it a bit, and I think I remember reading DB vs Kofi lost 600 000 viewers? Could be wrong, can't remember exactly. I am really not an expert with these ratings. XD People these days are just not as talented as the Rock's and Austin's.
 

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No. The small wrestlers also draw money for the company.

Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Randy Savage, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, CM Punk, Rey Mysterio & Bryan Danielson
 

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No. The small wrestlers also draw money for the company.

Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Randy Savage, Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Eddie Guerrero, CM Punk, Rey Mysterio & Bryan Danielson
No offense
1.Except the first four,all are mid-carders(Punk is not yet proven)
2.Bret and Shawn-Bad draws
Angle-Never the top dog
Savage-Despite being more talented,He wa lagging behind big men like Hogan and Warrior
 

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Savage was a huge draw in his prime and Angle was always a decent draw and the top babyface of SD in 2003 in a period where SD drew better than RAW. But, they weren't even close to small or ordinary so they're not even close to that category, same with Bret. Benoit was also a decent draw when he got a main event chance but again, not a small guy, he wasn't tall but far from small.
 

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CM Punk should be a larger than life character. WWE screws with his character too much. The guy is easily the most all around talented wrestler in WWE today.
 

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Bigger wrestlers knows how to get it down with their gimmicks and ect. They are the go to guys to get the ratings up. A lot of successful big man kept the ratings at top like HHH, Batista, The Rock, Stone Cold and The Undertaker.
 

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It's quite simple. Talented big men (by which I mean, individuals who possess an unquestionable form of charisma, marketability, what have you) have historically been among the most reliable high-drawing stars. People are typically enamored with the concept of "larger-than-life" characters, of almost comic book heroes/villains, mythical greek gods, etceteras. In some key cases, like The Ultimate Warrior, Bill Goldberg and Dave Batista, the physique was a quintessential element to the overall total package.

Therefore, it makes sense to regularly push big, muscular guys who appear capable of drawing money and putting on watchable matches. The problem is finding the right guys, and often WWE's had to comb through whole swaths of individuals to find them. There have been too many failed experiments of this type to list, but probably the most recent individual who falls under this unfortunate umbrella is Ezekiel Jackson. Meanwhile, there are those who come along who immediately demonstrate an intriguing degree of potential, such as Skip Sheffield/Ryback. Of course, most bigger guys spend a lot of time in developmental--Batista, Sheamus and most recently Sheffield/Ryback (who's been in the WWE machine for something like eight years!)--honing those qualities and talents so that they are indeed "ready" when they finally go before WWE's TV cameras.

All of this said, it need not be an either/or deal. Just because big dudes tend to thrive as draws on a consistent basis, historically, doesn't mean smaller men can't or won't. Moreover, even in the Hogan era there were guys who performed brilliantly and received mighty reactions who weren't exactly statues of bronze. Roddy Piper was arguably the most over heel of that generation circa 1985 or so; he was sometimes escorted by police because so many people hated him so much. Physically imposing, compared to most of your bigger guys in WWE, Roddy Piper is not. Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Chris Jericho, CM Punk, The Miz and others have all achieved one level of success or another without being human wrecking balls. What these examples and others who fall in this category tend to have in common is that they at least had something that compensated for their lack of overwhelming physical stature.

It's all kind of like what Triple H said to CM Punk in that promo about seven months ago. Bret Hart, Mick Foley and Rey Mysterio--none of them are exactly bodybuilder types. And yet they all enjoyed success. Steve Austin might be the ultimate refutation that you have to be 6'4" and 265 lbs. to be a megastar. Sure, it helps. Just like John Cena's "The Hulk"- and bull-like body has aided him greatly. But it's ultimately more of a key asset for Cena than a raw necessity.

Seeing the crowds react to Ryback after two squash matches on Smackdown, I can completely understand why Vince considers it wise to push the occasional big, lumbering monster stacked beyond belief. The issue is finding the right ones. Chris Masters flopped with a push that was almost solely about his physical attributes. You need something more. Whether it's the charismatic way in which you dispatch your enemies--Goldberg, Ryback thus far--or a white-hot storyline that builds and builds off of your ability to entertain and compel an audience that makes you a truly massive star ala Batista against Triple H, you can't simply, merely rely on your Mr. Universe looks. Conversely, however, for those who don't fit the "WWE prototype" they generally have to bring something to the game.

The final matter is, bigger does not = better. Eli Cottonwood can't draw like Rey Mysterio can. As Vince McMahon has said before, The War Lord was a guy who was pushed and promoted based on his physical gifts and he drew like two cents during his WWE run. Maybe. Meanwhile, Daniel Bryan's "Yes!" shirt is selling like hotcakes, vaulting him well past The War Lord or that giant guy who was in the first Robert Downey, Jr. Sherlock Holmes film who roamed around thirteen years ago or so (see, I've literally forgotten the guy's name). CM Punk's promos had a point. It was only the bitterness of his onscreen character that actually lambasted Cena for being an ex-bodybuilder-turned-wrestler; in real life, Punk and Cena are fairly tight and Punk has always been chummy with Batista. What the smaller guys like Punk and individuals such as HBK long, long before him have rightly griped about is not being given an opportunity because they don't fit the archetypal visage of the professional wrestler. Originally, WWE and Vince wanted Ahmed Johnson to become a huge, huge star; but instead he became a footnote and Steve Austin became the biggest star since Hulk Hogan.
 

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It doesn't matter, the question is redundant. The vast majority of wrestlers, big or small, have never drawn a dime on the big stage and there has NEVER been a point where the majority of any given roster were draws, not even during boom eras. If were gonna have a debate on big guys vs small guys, then we need a MUCH better and more inclusive criteria to work with than drawing money. You simply can't get much more moronic than trying to determine whether a guy can be a draw or not on how big he is.

(And by the way OP, when you mention small guys, are you talking about the likes of Evan Bourne or do you also consider the likes of CM Punk as "small guys"? The distinction is important as a guy like CM Punk is bigger than the average adult male.
 

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All else equal? Yes.

A big guy with no discernible talent vs. a smaller, more skilled guy? No.
 

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Bigger guys have the *POTENTIAL* to draw more. They still need to have charisma, mic skills, and at least workable in the ring.
 

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It doesn't matter, the question is redundant. The vast majority of wrestlers, big or small, have never drawn a dime on the big stage and there has NEVER been a point where the majority of any given roster were draws, not even during boom eras. If were gonna have a debate on big guys vs small guys, then we need a MUCH better and more inclusive criteria to work with than drawing money. You simply can't get much more moronic than trying to determine whether a guy can be a draw or not on how big he is.

(And by the way OP, when you mention small guys, are you talking about the likes of Evan Bourne or do you also consider the likes of CM Punk as "small guys"? The distinction is important as a guy like CM Punk is bigger than the average adult male.
When i meant small guys,i meant punk.he maybe bigger than an average guy.but i remember seeing the first ever segment after punk became champion.punk was champion and he was in same ring as cena,orton and fought jbl tat night.i was a huge punk fan back then and i found it impossible to believe tat punk to beat jbl,leave alone guys like lesnar.
 

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Even as a huge fan of Jericho, Punk and Bryan I still like to see juiced up guys who look like they could rip someones head off their shoulders. Retarded as me may be, I hope Mason Ryan gets another shot once he's got more experience behind him. Feed him Ziggler in his first return to TV match and make him look like a million bucks.
 
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