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What is this string of terrible champions and contenders?

Just few short years ago, SmackDown used to be a place where great underrated wrestlers, Bryan, Kofi, Aj Styles could reach the top and main event. Guys like Mustafa Ali getting a push too.

But now it seems to be Vince's wet dream of "legit big guys" dominating. Seriously, Bray, Goldberg, Strowman, Roman, McIntyre have hogged the spotlight the entire year. The matches have been terrible and slow.

What happened to the 'land of opportunity' ? Why is there such a decline in quality compared to even a year ago?
 

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Kofi was a pretty bad champion. his matches and feuds were boring and his character was that of a mid carder. That’s not someone I personally want to see headline a show.


Bray and Braun were awful too so it’s not a size thing.

Ambrose, Roman, Bryan as the planets champion, AJ Styles are all examples of smackdown champions that were entertaining and they all very in size.
 

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Because the big wrestlers are the only ones worth a damn. Nobody gives a fuck about vanilla midgets who can only do workrate, it's not good for TV.
Modern fans prefer the indy style wrestlers. WWE and wrestling will never move forward if we're gonna be stuck with the outdated mindset of look and charisma being more important than what you can do athetiticly.
Kofi was a pancake throwing geek. Is that ur definition of quality?
Kofi could wrestle 10 times better than your size gurus.
 

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Kofi failed to evolve his character and grow with the title. Hes the perfect example of the title not making the man, but vice versa.
He had good matches, but surely you must agree that a character tweak was needed. I think this is why someone like Bryan works much better as a main eventer, because he can masterfully alter his character. Speaking of Bryan...

Bryan was still in the title picture in the feud with the fiend, and seems to be feuding for the title again now. So that's two title feuds in 7 months.

He might not win it, but Bryan is close to 40 and a multi time world champion already, hes had plenty of opportunities and might not even want to be champ, so he can spend more time with his family.

We just had an uso in a world title program, surely thats giving somebody an opportunity right?

And Reigns really doesnt dominate the top spot that much.
Last time he had a world title match was at crown jewel in october 2018. So he was out of the title picture for almost two years. And currently hes only been champ for 3 months time, half the length of Kingstons reign, which lasted 180 days.
 

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Heel Reigns is probably the best World Champion the WWE has had since...

Well I cant even remember the last time the WWE had a good World Champion, AJ Styles in 16 maybe.

So yeah The Fiend is garbage, Brauns reign was horrible, Goldbergs is was it is. Rollins two runs were atrocious. Universal Title is generally cursed with poor Champions.

Modern fans prefer the indy style wrestlers. WWE and wrestling will never move forward if we're gonna be stuck with the outdated mindset of look and charisma being more important than what you can do athetiticly.

Kofi could wrestle 10 times better than your size gurus.
But when it was Rollins, Styles, Bryan, Becky, etc on top the ratings were hitting record lows...

Modern smarks prefer the Indy style wrestlers. But the wider fanbase, the potential fanbase, the casual fanbase, the occasional fanbase reacts to Pro Wrestlers with characters and emotional connections that make the matches mean something as opposed to just guys who do moves for moves sake.
 

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Modern fans prefer the indy style wrestlers. WWE and wrestling will never move forward if we're gonna be stuck with the outdated mindset of look and charisma being more important than what you can do athetiticly.

Kofi could wrestle 10 times better than your size gurus.
Yeah Kofi can wrestle but that's worthless if his character sucks
 

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Kofi failed to evolve his character and grow with the title. Hes the perfect example of the title not making the man, but vice versa.
He had good matches, but surely you must agree that a character tweak was needed. I think this is why someone like Bryan works much better as a main eventer, because he can masterfully alter his character. Speaking of Bryan...

Bryan was still in the title picture in the feud with the fiend, and seems to be feuding for the title again now. So that's two title feuds in 7 months.

He might not win it, but Bryan is close to 40 and a multi time world champion already, hes had plenty of opportunities and might not even want to be champ, so he can spend more time with his family.

We just had an uso in a world title program, surely thats giving somebody an opportunity right?

And Reigns really doesnt dominate the top spot that much.
Last time he had a world title match was at crown jewel in october 2018
. So he was out of the title picture for almost two years. And currently hes only been champ for 3 months time, half the length of Kingstons reign, which lasted 180 days.
Lol, that was only because he got leukemia. After that he had some warm ups and then a long terrible feud with Corbin before inserting himself into the title picture less than 1 year after his return. He was meant to face Goldberg for the title at Wrestlemania which if he had would have meant Roman Reigns had the big headline title match at five of the last six wrestlemanias. The one he didnt he had been off with leukemia and the male champs had stepped aside for Ronda Rousey. Given how the WWE essentially treats its cards now, it only banks on an audience watching between January and April and so by that measure Roman hogs the title picture.

That being said Im fine with current Roman being top of the card, his character has potential and we're all supposed to dislike him now which is great. Wasnt so enamoured by his two month feud with his uso cousin but it at least served a storyline purpose.

I think the show split has hurt the title picture as its not broad enough for two titles. The WWE has its chosen guys, Brock, Roman, Seth and now apparently Drew. Then it has maybe three with the required reputation and charisma or athleticism to hold the belt, Aj, Daniel Bryan and Bray. Brays gimmick though should rule him out of the title picture until they find an appropriate storyline reason for him needing it. Those seven with Braun filling the Big show/Kane filler match and the occassional midcard challenge make for a fine one show title picture. Also Randy Orton for me killed it in his feud with Drew and as an occassional transtional champion is fine.

The split to the second show and second title has spread this thin and it means when one of these eight gets a title reign they will inevitably run into a problem. They either feud with 2 or 3 people forever or they face a talent who has no chance. We know they have no chance because the product has repeatedly shown they are geeks. Guys like the Miz and Ziggler and others like them who are perfectly fine as talents but have lost all credibility. With rehab and protection to their characters the WWE can make many of the others legit challengers like they have with Drew and Bray, even the Miz and Ziggler but you can only do that in a one show setting. When the audience knows the challenger has no chance it leads to boring feuds and thats why ultimately the title reigns of every character Aj, Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins, Roman etc are boring.

This isnt even factoring in the damage done to the likes of Seth, and Aj in the midcard or the fact the title was held hostage for four years by the Brock-Roman saga. There is hope, the recent presentation of Lashley means with time and protection he could eventually be built into a credible challenger. Also the way they are promoting Drew and Roman as a rivalry may see the unification of the belts which I think would help. However with the current reports for wrestlemania that seems at least a year off.
 

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Heel Reigns is probably the best World Champion the WWE has had since...

Well I cant even remember the last time the WWE had a good World Champion, AJ Styles in 16 maybe.

So yeah The Fiend is garbage, Brauns reign was horrible, Goldbergs is was it is. Rollins two runs were atrocious. Universal Title is generally cursed with poor Champions.



But when it was Rollins, Styles, Bryan, Becky, etc on top the ratings were hitting record lows...

Modern smarks prefer the Indy style wrestlers. But the wider fanbase, the potential fanbase, the casual fanbase, the occasional fanbase reacts to Pro Wrestlers with characters and emotional connections that make the matches mean something as opposed to just guys who do moves for moves sake.
Am shocked,you said this boring tribal chef is the best wwe champion damn,you of all people? Excuse me Becky was the highest rating mover in 2019,she is not a geek,Seth is not bad too,Bryan has given the ratings 4 million before,roman reigns is overated,his segment without drew are low,intact the highest rated segment on SD since the pandemic was bayley vs Sasha it hit 2.5 million.boreman crappy reigns can't boast of that.
 

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Has anyone else noticed that the majority of posts on here are people that are always unhappy with the product? Just reading through this thread gives me vibes of that all over again.

As for Strowman, even though he is a big guy and he had been in the title picture often him finally getting a run with the title was a huge thing. He should have had it years before because of how over he was but instead lost constantly when given opportunities. So Smackdowns old catchphrase being "the land of opportunity" benefited Strowman just as much as it benefited Kofi Kingston and others.

Smackdown isn't being coined "The land of opportunity" anymore, right? Shane is gone, Daniel Bryan is a wrestler. What would be interesting is if Roman used that catchphrase to benefit him. "The land of opportunity to challenge the Tribal Chief".

As for the matches, it doesn't always have to be about work rate. Slow matches are fine. WWE has plenty of guys that can work fast paced matches to add variety around a Strowman or whomever.

What gets forgotten is that not everyone has to like everything. We are all different people with different interests. I still don't mind Roman, McIntyre being at the top. I didn't mind Strowman having the title. Kingstons reign was still fine with me after 2 months. It's not a "big guy vs. little guy" thing, it's what I personally enjoy. We as fans value our individual opinions over others way too much.
 

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Easy fix really.

Have Seth beat Reigns at the Royal Rumble.

Have Bryan or Gargano win the Rumble.

Book Rollins vs Bryan/Gargano for Wrestlemania.
 

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Heel Reigns is probably the best World Champion the WWE has had since...

Well I cant even remember the last time the WWE had a good World Champion, AJ Styles in 16 maybe.

So yeah The Fiend is garbage, Brauns reign was horrible, Goldbergs is was it is. Rollins two runs were atrocious. Universal Title is generally cursed with poor Champions.



But when it was Rollins, Styles, Bryan, Becky, etc on top the ratings were hitting record lows...

Modern smarks prefer the Indy style wrestlers. But the wider fanbase, the potential fanbase, the casual fanbase, the occasional fanbase reacts to Pro Wrestlers with characters and emotional connections that make the matches mean something as opposed to just guys who do moves for moves sake.
Then why is Seth Rollins in the top 40 draws of all time despite never working during a boom period?
 

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Seth Rollins might be a top 40 draw in the business currently. Maybe.

And the nonstop pushing of the Shield guys basically halfed the WWEs audience over the last 5 years.
 

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Seth Rollins might be a top 40 draw in the business currently. Maybe.

And the nonstop pushing of the Shield guys basically halfed the WWEs audience over the last 5 years.
He made Meltzer's list of top 40 draws.

He's only going to climb higher on that list in the future.
 
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