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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/17/erdogans-bodyguards-in-violent-clash-with-protesters-in-washington-dc

'Erdoğan's bodyguards' in violent clash with protesters in Washington DC

Nine people were hurt and two arrests were made during an altercation at the Turkish ambassador’s residence in the US capital during a visit by Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan.

According to witnesses, a brawl erupted when Erdoğan’s security detail attacked protesters carrying the flag of the Kurdish PYD party outside the residence. A local NBC television affiliate reported Erdoğan was inside the building at the time.

Metropolitan Police Department spokesman Dustin Sternbeck said the altercation broke out between two groups but he didn’t elaborate on the circumstances. He said two people were arrested, including one who was charged with assaulting a police officer.

“All of the sudden they just ran towards us,” Yazidi Kurd demonstrator Lucy Usoyan told ABC, adding that she was attacked by a pro-Erdoğan supporter.

“Someone was beating me in the head nonstop, and I thought, ‘Okay, I’m on the ground already, what is the purpose to beat me?’”

The altercation came the same day that Erdoğan met Donald Trump at the White House. The State Department declined to comment.

Earlier Trump and Erdoğan had stood side by side at the White House and promised to strengthen strained ties despite the Turkish leader’s stern warning about Washington’s arming of a Kurdish militia.

Fresh from securing his grip on Turkey with a referendum to enhance his powers, Erdoğan came to the Oval Office with complaints about US support for Kurdish fighters and what Ankara says is Washington’s harbouring of the mastermind of a failed coup.

But both leaders also tried to put a brave face on their differences and to renew a key alliance between Nato’s leading power and its biggest Muslim member, partners in the fight against the Islamic State group in Syria and Iraq.

“It is absolutely unacceptable to take the YPG-PYD into consideration as partners in the region, and it’s going against a global agreement we reached,” Erdoğan said, referring to the Kurdish Peoples’ Protection Units (YPG) in Syria.

“In the same way, we should never allow those groups who want to change the ethnic or religious structures in the region to use terrorism as a pretext,” he added, suggesting that the Kurds were using the anti-Isis fight as cover for separatist nationalism.
Looked like the cops tried to form a wall to protect the protestors and they just broke through. Are there going to be repercussions for this? Wish they'd specify if those arrested were Turkish government staff or their supporters.
 

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Warring ethnic groups of Islam duking it out in the capital of the imperium.
 
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Erdogan was in the car when his team attacked the protestors.


After watching you have to wonder, did he order it? An aide or bodyguard can be seen leaning into the car. Then he turns and speaks to another. That one then walks toward the group of supporters out of camera.

Then seconds later bodyguards and supporters run forward and attack the protesters. The man that went to the supporters returns to the car. Erdogan gets out of the car and enters the building.

Did the leader of another country just order his people to attack Americans on American soil? If so, how can there not be repercussions for this?
 

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After watching you have to wonder, did he order it? An aide or bodyguard can be seen leaning into the car. Then he turns and speaks to another. That one then walks toward the group of supporters out of camera.

Then seconds later bodyguards and supporters run toward and attack the protesters. The man that went to the supporters returns to the car and Erdogan gets out of the car and enters the building.

Did the leader of another country just order his people to attack Americans on American soil? If so, how can there not be repercussions to this?
Holy shit! It looks like that's what happened. If so, Erdogan is crazy. :surprise:

Amazing capture from whoever was recording it.
 

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Disgraceful and shameful to the United States that it happened, and even more disgraceful and shameful that a serious response has not been undertaken. Agents of foreign governments cannot be assaulting people in the street.
 

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Did the leader of another country just order his people to attack Americans on American soil? If so, how can there not be repercussions for this?
Most probably Erdogan will say his security was provoked by the protestants and then blame the kurds as always.
Trump will say that this was an regrettable incident but he won't do anything against Erdogan. He likes Erdogan and already praised him big time.
 

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Those protesters seem pretty Islamophobic so seems like nothing wrong was done.

Nothing wrong with punching Nazis!
 

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It simply beggars belief that this has passed through the news cycle as a footnote. I literally, hand to god, don't believe I have seen something so underreported, and ignored by interest groups that by all rights should be forming picket lines in front of the Turkish embassy as I write this.
 

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It simply beggars belief that this has passed through the news cycle as a footnote. I literally, hand to god, don't believe I have seen something so underreported, and ignored by interest groups that by all rights should be forming picket lines in front of the Turkish embassy as I write this.
I'm sure a news story of Trump getting a second piece of pie will get national attention though.
 

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http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/05/18/senators-erdogan-turkish-embassy-violence/

Senators Urge Turkish President To Hold His Bodyguards Accountable For D.C. Violence

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF) — U.S. Senators Dianne Feinstein (D-California) and John McCain (R-Arizona) penned a joint a letter to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Thursday urging him “to hold accountable those members of your staff who violently attacked peaceful protesters in our nation’s capitol.”

The letter comes after reports, and video, that appear to show members of the Turkish president’s security detail fighting protesters outside the Turkish Ambassador’s residence in Washington. D.C. on Tuesday.

“We should throw their ambassador the hell out of the United States of America,” said McCain on MSNBC’s Morning Joe show, in response to video that appears to show the violence.

McCain, the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, and Feinstein, the ranking member of the Senate Committee on the Judiciary, write in the letter to Erdogan that members of the Turkish security detail “allegedly broke through police lines and violently attacked a small group of protesters…wounding at least nine people.”

The Senators called the behavior “wholly unacceptable and, unfortunately, reflective of your government’s treatment of the press, ethnic minority groups and political opponents.”

The Associated Press says they spoke with a congressional aide, who was not authorized to speak publicly and requested anonymity to discuss the situation. The aide said two members of Erdogan’s security detail were detained on the scene Tuesday by diplomatic security agents. However, those two guards claimed diplomatic immunity and were released after diplomatic security consulted with counsel.


The U.S. declined to say whether the security agents were granted diplomatic immunity or under what conditions they were released.

The letter to Erdogan comes one day after Rep. Ed Royce (D-California) wrote a letter to U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions urging them to investigate the violence and determine whether criminal charges are warranted against any of the bodyguards.

Royce’s letter states that that bodyguards “viciously beat multiple individuals, throwing them to the ground and kicking them in the head.”

Royce writes, “Alarmingly, this behavior is indicative of the broad crackdowns on political activists, journalists and religious freedom in Turkey that have greatly harmed Turkish democracy in recent years. To send a clear message that these acts of violence will not be tolerated, I ask that you immediately look into this matter and bring all appropriate criminal charges before these individuals leave the United States.”

The Turkish Embassy maintains the bodyguards were acting in self defense and that the protesters were “aggressively provoking Turkish-American citizens who had peacefully assembled to greet the president. The Turkish-Americans responded in self-defense and one of them was seriously injured.”

The D.C. Police Department said in a statement, “We will continue to work with our partners at the Unites States State Department and the United States Secret Service to identify and hold all subjects accountable for their involvement in the altercation.”
Why would he hold them accountable when very probably he ordered their actions?
 

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-turkey-idUSKBN196272

Turkish leader's security officers charged with assault in Washington

U.S. prosecutors have charged a dozen Turkish security and police officers with assault after an attack on protesters in Washington during Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan's visit to the U.S. capital last month, officials said on Thursday.

The May 16 skirmish, caught on video, left nine protesters injured outside the Turkish ambassador's residence and further strained ties at a time when the NATO allies are in sharp disagreement over policy in Syria.

The charges against some members of Erdogan's security detail send a clear message that the United States "does not tolerate individuals who use intimidation and violence to stifle freedom of speech and legitimate political expression," U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said in a statement.

Turkey condemned the charges and said the Turkish citizens, who left the country with Erdogan, should not be held responsible for the incident.

"This decision taken by U.S. authorities is wrong, biased and lacks legal basis," Turkey's Foreign Ministry said in a statement. "The brawl in front of the Turkish ambassador's residence was caused by the failure of local security authorities to take necessary measures."

U.S. State Department spokeswoman Heather Nauert would not say on Thursday whether an extradition request would be made.

The security officers are no longer protected by the immunity extended to them during Erdogan's recent visit, the State Department said.

"We will weigh additional actions," Nauert told reporters.

Washington officials announcing the charges, which were filed in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia, described the treatment of the protesters as an attack on U.S. values. Some of the protesters were associated with the Armenian National Committee of America and accuse Erdogan of running a politically repressive government.

A video posted online showed men in dark suits chasing protesters and punching and kicking them as Washington police struggled to intervene.

"If they attempt to enter the United States, they will be arrested," Metropolitan Police Department Chief Peter Newsham said of the security officers charged in the case.

Newsham said there was no probable cause to arrest Erdogan, who watched the confrontation unfold from a nearby car.

Eighteen people have now been charged in the incident, including two Canadians and four Americans, according to prosecutors.

Two men were arrested on Wednesday. Sinan Narin of Virginia faces a charge of felony aggravated assault and misdemeanor assault, and Eyup Yildirim of New Jersey faces two charges of felony assault and a misdemeanor assault charge.
 

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The government should say that if Erdogan wants to come to the United States again, he can bring a very minimum number of security with him, and the US will provide the rest. And bill Turkey for it.

And if anything like this happens again, the United States will expel most Turkish security from its embassy and consulates and such, and again provide security, with Turkey paying for it. Or Turkey can just remove all that from the United States if it so wishes. Recall its ambassador and shut down the embassy and consulates.

100 years ago this kind of shit would have been a very major incident. An extremely firm stance must be taken against it. It should be made clear that behavior like this seriously threatens the relationship between Turkey and the United States.
 
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Nice to see the bodyguards charged, but I highly doubt that anything will come out of this. If they actually do something about the bodyguards' actions, that would be great. That fascist scum Erdogan thinks he can just come to another country, order his people to assault the country's citizens and get away with it? What a piece of human garbage.
 
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