That was a good one. My personal favorite rivalry NWO vs Sting.
Top WWF feud from November 98 to February 99
Frankly i've heard people debating what was bigger feud from this time period was it Austin/McMahon or Rock/Mankind?
Edit:I see you poster that claims to have me on ignore but actually voted in the post lol.
Edit:I see you poster that claims to have me on ignore but actually voted in the post lol.
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Austin vs McMahon wasn't on the back burner. The entire Royal Rumble match was built up around Vince vs Austin then you go into St Valentine's Day were it's Austin vs McMahon 1 on 1.
For WrestleMania/ Backlash they did pull it a back a bit but that was to set up the Taker swerve which would extend Austin vs Vince til July and up the tensions in their feud.
Really this just comes down to RLStern not understanding that the top guy will often have a relaxed work schedule and then pretending that means Rock was bigger and the focus.
And I'm rely not trying to sh on Rock v Foley. It was an amazing feud that was one of the biggest reasons WWF spiked in popularity and started running away from WCW during the Monday Night Wars but it just wasn't the top feud. Austin v McMahon was.
For WrestleMania/ Backlash they did pull it a back a bit but that was to set up the Taker swerve which would extend Austin vs Vince til July and up the tensions in their feud.
Really this just comes down to RLStern not understanding that the top guy will often have a relaxed work schedule and then pretending that means Rock was bigger and the focus.
And I'm rely not trying to sh on Rock v Foley. It was an amazing feud that was one of the biggest reasons WWF spiked in popularity and started running away from WCW during the Monday Night Wars but it just wasn't the top feud. Austin v McMahon was.
Good point the most popular face of 97 Sting only wrestled one match. 11 to 8 for Austin and McMahon I'm not counting the RL votes.Austin vs McMahon wasn't on the back burner. The entire Royal Rumble match was built up around Vince vs Austin then you go into St Valentine's Day were it's Austin vs McMahon 1 on 1.
For WrestleMania/ Backlash they did pull it a back a bit but that was to set up the Taker swerve which would extend Austin vs Vince til July and up the tensions in their feud.
Really this just comes down to RLStern not understanding that the top guy will often have a relaxed work schedule and then pretending that means Rock was bigger and the focus.
And I'm rely not trying to sh on Rock v Foley. It was an amazing feud that was one of the biggest reasons WWF spiked in popularity and started running away from WCW during the Monday Night Wars but it just wasn't the top feud. Austin v McMahon was.
Ok 👍might want to tell this to @KingLobos as well since he's encouraging Stern as well. You don't want me to talking to Stern fine but you others are talking to him as if he's welcome here.
@KingLobos isn’t baiting him, he’s agreeing with his post and moving along. You continue to tell him to go get laid, that he’s a stan, etc. because you know he will react to that, you’re adding fuel to the fire. It’s not so much about talking to him in general, it’s the poking the bear stuff because you know he will respond to you, and then you report him, like you just want to get the last insult in before he gets banned. Not too sure why this Stern situation is difficult for you to understand, guess you just can’t help yourself. Asking you nicely to just let it go. Cheers.
Check your PM because I'm not addressing it on here. My post is finally getting back on topic.@KingLobos isn’t baiting him, he’s agreeing with his post and moving along. You continue to tell him to go get laid, that he’s a stan, etc. because you know he will react to that, you’re adding fuel to the fire. It’s not so much about talking to him in general, it’s the poking the bear stuff because you know he will respond to you, and then you report him, like you just want to get the last insult in before he gets banned. Not too sure why this Stern situation is difficult for you to understand, guess you just can’t help yourself. Asking you nicely to just let it go. Cheers.
I tend to think Austin and McMahon is THE defining feud of the Attitude era, but in those few months? Austin and McMahon headlined Rumble and in the cage, Austin headlined Rock Bottom, Austin was the star when Foley won the title to fuck the Corporation. Rock and Foley trading the championship was big, but... I don't know, Austin was clearly still the guy, so whoever was working with him clearly gets the rub by association.
Here we go again with this shit. Austin/McMahon is the most important feud of the Attitude Era because it got the ball rolling, but WWFs numbers started really going through the roof in late 98 when Rock broke out and Rock and Foley started to feud.
Weren't you born in 94 here's your previous accounts. Both having 94 in them lol.Rock/Mankind.
Now Stephen if you were around actually watching back then as it was happening you wouldn’t have to ask this very naive question as the answer is clearly and easily Rock/Mankind.
Here’s a good factual reporting from Rock316AE breakdown proving was the most popular feud from November 1998 - February 1999,:
But I’ll give a more through answer to your clearly well intended question with actual fact…
Austin/McMahon had been on the back burner since after the October 19th 1998 Raw, after Austin kidnapped McMahon with a gun and made him pee his pants and got the new WWF contract from Shane which he revealed the next week.
Austin/McMahon was put in the background behind the main feud of Rock/McMahon’s feud going into Survivor Series.
Then Austin/McMahon remained in the background hardly interacting, behind Austin/Undertaker & Rock/Mankind.
Austin/Undertaker was the main feud for Rock Bottom, leading to very low ppv buys at 290,000 buys.
Following the PPV they switched it up, Austin went on hiatus and became sporadic.
Yes people, despite WWE’s narratives, Austin was neither the main character nor even around much for the November - February of 1999 time period.
People who weren’t around watch a PPV like Wrestlemania 15 or St Valentines and think Austin was there every week, because they were not watching the show week to week.
Austin/McMahon was put on the back burner and they put Rock/Mankind as the main feud over Austin/McMahon going into 1999 and it led to the historic January 4th Rock/Mankind match.
Austin and McMahon hardly interacted during this period until the Royal Rumble, with Austin being a supplemental character to the Mankind vs Rock/Corporation feud, which was the main feud at the time, helping Mankind win the title.
Austin/McMahon was on the back burner to Rock/Mankind which dominated shows.
You’d know this if you were around back then, rather than merely watching WWE documentary highlights and looking on Wikipedia to see which match went last, rather than know what was going on the shows, because by that you’d think Triple H was a bigger star than Rock(see Royal Rumble & No Way Out 2000)
Further the most talked about match and reason for doing such great business for the Rumble PPV encore is the Rock/Mankind I quit match, it was covered in mainstream media… not Austin/McMahon.
It was also used as the main promotional feature for the Beyond The Mat documentary movie.
But as Austin would say, to put a Bottom Line on things, the WWF’s biggest promotional venture to sample the WWF to non wrestling fans was Halftime Heat, which was Sunday Night Heat’s special segment airing during the 1999 NFL Halftime.
And for this very important show, where they had to use their biggest stars, they chose Rock/Mankind, not Austin/McMahon.
And testament to this is the fact that they forced Mr. McMahon into being apart of it, using commentary as an excuse because they needed to get the biggest stars possible, yet Austin makes zero appearance for the WWF’s most important venture. If Austin/McMahon was indeed the biggest feud at the time, then that is what would have been highlighted for Halftime Heat.
We all know the story, Rock/Mankind did the highest viewership in cable history that night at the time breaking the record with a 6.6 rating and then Raw was able to translate from those casuals/non wrestling fans and start hitting 6, 7 and 8 ratings.
Austin/McMahon was no longer the most popular feud as it had been from April- October 1998, it was the secondary feud to Rock/Mankind from November-February 1999 and that’s concrete via ratings.
After October 1998 Austin/McMahon was no longer the most popular and main feud and either was in the background or shared importance with another feud until the Fully Loaded 1999 feud.
Let’s break this down factually so that it’s transparent:
Survivor Series 1998 - Rock/McMahon is the main feud over Austin McMahon, - is the secondary feud
December 1998 - Austin/McMahon is 3rd wheel story in the background to Austin/Taker and Rock/Mankind
Royal Rumble 1999 - Going into the PPV Rock/Mankind are getting the biggest ratings and Austin is hardly appearing, except for rare appearances, the build is behind Rock/Mankind and goes on last at PPV due to Rock interfering in it but still needing to win the title logically.
HalfTime Heat - Rock vs Mankind w/Mr. McMahon on commentary - Not only is Austin/McMahon secondary to Rock/Mankind, Austin has zero role in this very important venture, their biggest venture thus far.
St. Valentine’s Day massacre - With the exception of the delayed go home RAW, it’s secondary to Rock/Mankind and goes on last due to Big Show debut breaking hole in ring.
Wrestlemania 15 - Austin/McMahon is behind not only Rock/Austin storyline but also Rock and his frustration with the Corporation, only interaction is the beer bash also involving Rock & Shane, mostly geared towards The Rock.
This is a case where they watch the PPV where it ends with Austin having his feet over McMahon, and think that must’ve been the entire build… it wasn’t, they had more build up with St Valentines and even that was less in quantity than how much they interacted in 1998.
McMahon turns face, then turns back heel in June.
King of the Ring 1999 - Rock/Taker and Austin/McMahon main event feuds, with Rock/Taker getting the bigger ratings even against Austin/CEO storyline.
Fully Loaded 1999 - The Grand Finale to Austin/McMahon rivalry, the main feud, does only a shocking 370k buys.
So to answer the question…
From November 1998-February 1999, the most popular feud was Rock vs Mankind with Austin vs McMahon talking to 2nd place.
Austin/McMahon was indeed the most popularly rivalry in the WWF in 1998… Until Rock/Mankind.
Austin/McMahon was not more popular than Rock/Mankind and that’s substantiated by numbers/ratings.
Austin/McMahon was the most popular rivalry in the WWF from April 1998- October 1998, but then was secondary to Rock/Mankind from November 1998-February 1999.
It wouldn’t be the top popular feud again until the finale going into Fully Loaded and that’s where the rivalry ends.
Going into 1999, The Rock was the hottest star in the entire wrestling business to that point that WCW started to throw everything at wall to counter his popularity such as the Fingerpoke of doom & the NW elite:
But seeing as Stephen was 5 in 1999 it’s clear why he needed to ask this question:
This is the type of false history that happens, when you have those such as Stephen who admittedly has to ask because he was not there to watch as it was happening, when people watch mere highlights and documentaries and parrot revised history & narratives.
By the very same rewatching of select show intros and highlights someone could argue that for example Triple H/Cactus Jack was the main rivalry and most popular feud going into Royal Rumble 2000 because that’s the only thing that appears in the intro…
When in reality and everyone who was around back then knows this, is that The Rock and the Royal Rumble were the main build, with Rock getting the biggest ratings and doing the main promotion for it on TRL and etc, which you couldn’t know if you only rewatched PPVS instead of actually witnessing what was going on.
The same revisionist history that has those people thinking Austin/Mcmahon was more popular than the actual most popular feud of early 1999 in Rock/Mankind, is the same revisionism that has them laughably claim the Austin/McMahon feuded ended at Wrestlemania 17, 2 years after it was over at Fully Loaded 1999.
Exposing that they neither have a clue what they’re talking about nor that Austin/McMahon already teamed up and started bantering as pals in late 1999… but shhh, that goes against WWE’s documentaries that claim people “never thought they’d see Austin/McMahon work together”.
The fact that most are uninformed about The Rock/Mankind rivalry, is crazy to me, that literally was the hottest feud of its time until Rock/Austin.
@KingLobos can tell you all about corporate Rock and the well written and critically acclaimed Rock/Mankind feud.
Raw lost most weeks to WCW in August and September of 1998 and never got a 5 or above during that period of time. From Nov to Feb Raw beat Nitro every week and usually got in the mid to late 5s despite WCW also peaking at that time period and also going against the NFL for much of it. The only things that changed were Rock crossing over to mega star status and his feud with Foley. Rock had an incredibly massive impact on the ratings, and his breaking out basically built up an insurmountable lead vs WCW. When he was an upper mid card player that Summer feuding with Triple H and DX as the leader of the Nation, WWF and WCW were basically neck and neck.
The common narrative is that Rock rode Austin's wave, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Rock jumped business dramatically, and he did so at a time when wrestling in general was peaking in late 1998-early 1999. This Rock vs Austin shit is so stupid, they both were massive and they both needed to be, WWF doesn't pull away from WCW in 1999 with just one or the other, they needed them both to put WCW away.
The common narrative is that Rock rode Austin's wave, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Rock jumped business dramatically, and he did so at a time when wrestling in general was peaking in late 1998-early 1999. This Rock vs Austin shit is so stupid, they both were massive and they both needed to be, WWF doesn't pull away from WCW in 1999 with just one or the other, they needed them both to put WCW away.
Yes it was, it played second fiddle to the sporadic Austin/McMahon underlying feud.Austin vs McMahon wasn't on the back burner.
Austin was gone for a while and Austin/McMahon was in the background to Rock/Mankind, if you watch the shows and were around watching back then you’d know this instead of confusing it with their 1998 main week to week feud.
The Rumble match, not the Royal Rumble PPV.The entire Royal Rumble match was built up around Vince vs Austin
It was built as a double main event and Rock/Mankind is the feud that was talked about by the mainstream media coming out of it.
You would know this if you were watching week to week back then, instead you jus clearly based it of just watching the PPV years after and seeing Austin/McMahon in the intro and being the last match, and thus didn’t know it was built as two headliners.
If you did the same with Royal Rumble and No Way Out 2000 you’d conclude that Triple H/Cactus Jack was the main headline as Rock is nowhere in the intro.
When in fact Rock was the main headline of the Rumble and was doing a tour promoting it such as on TRL.
Then again, this DOES happen with 2000 as you have people absurdly giving Triple H equal credit with Rock for 2000, which @KingLobos always points out as hilarious.
And now with people revising history that Austin/McMahon was bigger than Rock/Mankind from November of 1998-February 1999, which is absurd.
Austin Mcmahon was the lead feud from April 1998 to November 1998 and the lead up to Fully Loaded 1999, but it took a backseat to Rock/Mankind while Austin took sporadic role from November 1998-February 1999.
Same here, double main event.then you go into St Valentine's Day were it's Austin vs McMahon 1 on 1.
Again not watching week to week and basing off which match went last.
Pull back a bit?For WrestleMania/ Backlash they did pull it a back a bit but that was to set up the Taker swerve which would extend Austin vs Vince til July and up the tensions in their feud.
Yeah you definitely weren’t watching, because Austin/McMahon wasn’t “pulled back a bit”, it completely ended with McMahon’s face turn and them teaming up, after Wrestlemania 15 they didn’t feud again until June of 1999.
Really this just comes down to RLStern not understanding that the top guy will often have a relaxed work schedule and then pretending that means Rock was bigger and the focus.
Relaxed schedule or not, Austin/McMahon was in the background to Rock/Mankind even when Austin would make his sporadic appearances and lower in ratings than Rock/Mankind.
Its really that simple.
I know it runs contrary to what WWE told you in those funny documentaries but it’s irrefutable and the numbers are right there.
Austin was the supporting cast member behind Mankind when he won the belt, the spotlight was on Mankind and even in Austin’s regard for helping Mankind, Mankind was the guy and Austin was sporadic,I tend to think Austin and McMahon is THE defining feud of the Attitude era, but in those few months? Austin and McMahon headlined Rumble and in the cage, Austin headlined Rock Bottom, Austin was the star when Foley won the title to fuck the Corporation. Rock and Foley trading the championship was big, but... I don't know, Austin was clearly still the guy, so whoever was working with him clearly gets the rub by association.
Same way Austin was the supporting cast for Backlash 2000 with The Rock as the guy.
And those Rock/Mankind title matches weren’t just big, they broke the record with their Haftime Heat match and did ratings Austin/McMahon never did.
Austin was no longer the guy as he was in 1998, he took an equal babyface role with Mankind, while overall being a lesser draw than Rock.
This isn’t an opinion either like your post, but a verifiable & irrefutable fact, like it or not:
It wasn’t 1998 anymore, Austin was no longer THE guy and Austin/McMahon was no longer the top feud.
Austin was the supporting cast member behind Mankind when he won the belt, the spotlight was on Mankind and even in Austin’s regard for helping Mankind, Mankind was the guy and Austin was sporadic,I tend to think Austin and McMahon is THE defining feud of the Attitude era, but in those few months? Austin and McMahon headlined Rumble and in the cage, Austin headlined Rock Bottom, Austin was the star when Foley won the title to fuck the Corporation. Rock and Foley trading the championship was big, but... I don't know, Austin was clearly still the guy, so whoever was working with him clearly gets the rub by association.
Same way Austin was the supporting cast for Backlash 2000 with The Rock as the guy.
And those Rock/Mankind title matches weren’t just big, they broke the record with their Haftime Heat match and did ratings Austin/McMahon never did.
Austin was no longer the guy as he was in 1998, he took an equal babyface role with Mankind, while overall being a lesser draw than Rock.
This isn’t an opinion either like your post, but a verifiable & irrefutable fact, like it or not:
It wasn’t 1998 anymore, Austin was no longer THE guy and Austin/McMahon was no longer the top feud.
Good point the most popular face of 97 Sting only wrestled one match. 11 to 8 for Austin and McMahon I'm not counting the RL votes.
A vote by a niche community, mostly consisting of people not even around for the feuds isn’t going to change the facts my guy, the entire forum can vote Austin/McMahon, but it won’t change the numbers, it won’t change the facts that Rock/Mankind was the bigger feud.Good point the most popular face of 97 Sting only wrestled one match. 11 to 8 for Austin and McMahon I'm not counting the RL votes.
You shouldn’t be upset with me for posting facts. Just chill out and you won’t get banned, as for me I’ll only post about wrestling whenever I rejoin since I’m still banned despite not wanting trouble and only wanting to post wrestling.
Stay away from the dramatic and simply respond to the points, to the facts and evidence me & @KingLobos provided.
Insults not only do no win any debate nor refute any substantiating point, but it’s bad look bro.
Nah nah, don’t warn him about nothing, I encourage debate.@KingLobos isn’t baiting him, he’s agreeing with his post and moving along. You continue to tell him to go get laid, that he’s a stan, etc. because you know he will react to that, you’re adding fuel to the fire. It’s not so much about talking to him in general, it’s the poking the bear stuff because you know he will respond to you, and then you report him, like you just want to get the last insult in before he gets banned. Not too sure why this Stern situation is difficult for you to understand, guess you just can’t help yourself. Asking you nicely to just let it go. Cheers.
But I find it strange that I’m banned for debating and staying in rules because of how people like Stephen react and someone who clearly baits like Stephen or DC get longer tenures.
I don’t wanna post in rants, I don’t want to post drama, I just want to post and debate wrestling, I’ve gotten insults and baits thrown at me for decades, yet I remained banned and labeled a troll?
Agree or disagree with me I’m gonna remain respectful to you, even when someone disrespects me I hold back my tongue and my anger, yet I can’t just post about numbers?
Rock/Austin debates have INCREASED in my absence since my ban, you got guys messaging my IG, yet I was considered the problem?
No, theres a group that will always start a Rock/Austin war, but it won’t be me, I simply post that Rock was the biggest star and always refute revisionist history.
I’m not responsible for how people react to my thoughts, my theories, my posts.
I don’t want to war anymore or get involved in drama anymore, I just want to be unbanned and post wrestling, if I have to be blocked by certain people fine, but I want the freedom to post on this forum which I have contributed for almost 15 years.
And this excellent post by @The XL 2 sums it pretty well…Raw lost most weeks to WCW in August and September of 1998 and never got a 5 or above during that period of time. From Nov to Feb Raw beat Nitro every week and usually got in the mid to late 5s despite WCW also peaking at that time period and also going against the NFL for much of it. The only things that changed were Rock crossing over to mega star status and his feud with Foley. Rock had an incredibly massive impact on the ratings, and his breaking out basically built up an insurmountable lead vs WCW. When he was an upper mid card player that Summer feuding with Triple H and DX as the leader of the Nation, WWF and WCW were basically neck and neck.
The common narrative is that Rock rode Austin's wave, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Rock jumped business dramatically, and he did so at a time when wrestling in general was peaking in late 1998-early 1999. This Rock vs Austin shit is so stupid, they both were massive and they both needed to be, WWF doesn't pull away from WCW in 1999 with just one or the other, they needed them both to put WCW away.
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Stern I broke your brain so badly that you do non stop tweets about me. You constantly come crawling back to get at me. I've beaten you and you know it.Yes it was, it played second fiddle to the sporadic Austin/McMahon underlying feud.
Austin was gone for a while and Austin/McMahon was in the background to Rock/Mankind, if you watch the shows and were around watching back then you’d know this instead of confusing it with their 1998 main week to week feud.
The Rumble match, not the Royal Rumble PPV.
It was built as a double main event and Rock/Mankind is the feud that was talked about by the mainstream media coming out of it.
You would know this if you were watching week to week back then, instead you jus clearly based it of just watching the PPV years after and seeing Austin/McMahon in the intro and being the last match, and thus didn’t know it was built as two headliners.
If you did the same with Royal Rumble and No Way Out 2000 you’d conclude that Triple H/Cactus Jack was the main headline as Rock is nowhere in the intro.
When in fact Rock was the main headline of the Rumble and was doing a tour promoting it such as on TRL.
Then again, this DOES happen with 2000 as you have people absurdly giving Triple H equal credit with Rock for 2000, which @KingLobos always points out as hilarious.
And now with people revising history that Austin/McMahon was bigger than Rock/Mankind from November of 1998-February 1999, which is absurd.
Austin Mcmahon was the lead feud from April 1998 to November 1998 and the lead up to Fully Loaded 1999, but it took a backseat to Rock/Mankind while Austin took sporadic role from November 1998-February 1999.
Same here, double main event.
Again not watching week to week and basing off which match went last.
Pull back a bit?
Yeah you definitely weren’t watching, because Austin/McMahon wasn’t “pulled back a bit”, it completely ended with McMahon’s face turn and them teaming up, after Wrestlemania 15 they didn’t feud again until June of 1999.
Really this just comes down to RLStern not understanding that the top guy will often have a relaxed work schedule and then pretending that means Rock was bigger and the focus.
Relaxed schedule or not, Austin/McMahon was in the background to Rock/Mankind even when Austin would make his sporadic appearances and lower in ratings than Rock/Mankind.
Its really that simple.
I know it runs contrary to what WWE told you in those funny documentaries but it’s irrefutable and the numbers are right there.
Austin was the supporting cast member behind Mankind when he won the belt, the spotlight was on Mankind and even in Austin’s regard for helping Mankind, Mankind was the guy and Austin was sporadic,
Same way Austin was the supporting cast for Backlash 2000 with The Rock as the guy.
And those Rock/Mankind title matches weren’t just big, they broke the record with their Haftime Heat match and did ratings Austin/McMahon never did.
Austin was no longer the guy as he was in 1998, he took an equal babyface role with Mankind, while overall being a lesser draw than Rock.
This isn’t an opinion either like your post, but a verifiable & irrefutable fact, like it or not:
It wasn’t 1998 anymore, Austin was no longer THE guy and Austin/McMahon was no longer the top feud.
Austin was the supporting cast member behind Mankind when he won the belt, the spotlight was on Mankind and even in Austin’s regard for helping Mankind, Mankind was the guy and Austin was sporadic,
Same way Austin was the supporting cast for Backlash 2000 with The Rock as the guy.
And those Rock/Mankind title matches weren’t just big, they broke the record with their Haftime Heat match and did ratings Austin/McMahon never did.
Austin was no longer the guy as he was in 1998, he took an equal babyface role with Mankind, while overall being a lesser draw than Rock.
This isn’t an opinion either like your post, but a verifiable & irrefutable fact, like it or not:
It wasn’t 1998 anymore, Austin was no longer THE guy and Austin/McMahon was no longer the top feud.
A vote by a niche community, mostly consisting of people not even around for the feuds isn’t going to change the facts my guy, the entire forum can vote Austin/McMahon, but it won’t change the numbers, it won’t change the facts that Rock/Mankind was the bigger feud.
You shouldn’t be upset with me for posting facts. Just chill out and you won’t get banned, as for me I’ll only post about wrestling whenever I rejoin since I’m still banned despite not wanting trouble and only wanting to post wrestling.
Stay away from the dramatic and simply respond to the points, to the facts and evidence me & @KingLobos provided.
Insults not only do no win any debate nor refute any substantiating point, but it’s bad look bro.
Nah nah, don’t warn him about nothing, I encourage debate.
But I find it strange that I’m banned for debating and staying in rules because of how people like Stephen react and someone who clearly baits like Stephen or DC get longer tenures.
I don’t wanna post in rants, I don’t want to post drama, I just want to post and debate wrestling, I’ve gotten insults and baits thrown at me for decades, yet I remained banned and labeled a troll?
Agree or disagree with me I’m gonna remain respectful to you, even when someone disrespects me I hold back my tongue and my anger, yet I can’t just post about numbers?
Rock/Austin debates have INCREASED in my absence since my ban, you got guys messaging my IG, yet I was considered the problem?
No, theres a group that will always start a Rock/Austin war, but it won’t be me, I simply post that Rock was the biggest star and always refute revisionist history.
I’m not responsible for how people react to my thoughts, my theories, my posts.
I don’t want to war anymore or get involved in drama anymore, I just want to be unbanned and post wrestling, if I have to be blocked by certain people fine, but I want the freedom to post on this forum which I have contributed for almost 15 years.
And this excellent post by @The XL 2 sums it pretty well…
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@Catalanotto who doesn’t even like me, already exposed that every time I rejoin you report it faster than flash.Stern I broke your brain so badly that you do non stop tweets about me. You constantly come crawling back to get at me. I've beaten you and you know it.
I don’t come here to bother, like you do with everyone, but to simply post.
Don’t act like some valiant debater, you had my Twitter and IG, you message me then block me, you’ll never debate me publicly without any censorship because like always, I will refute your arguments.
This is you when I rejoin:
The debate of the thread is over, it was proven by several users with factual evidence that Rock/Mankind was the bigger feud at the time.
Stephen and others could not refute the facts/points and resorted to assertions with no numbers.
This meeting is adjourned and thread is now conclusively answered.
@KingLobos and @The XL 2 posts were among the best in the thread.
Stephen and others could not refute the facts/points and resorted to assertions with no numbers.
This meeting is adjourned and thread is now conclusively answered.
@KingLobos and @The XL 2 posts were among the best in the thread.
@Catalanotto who doesn’t even like me, already exposed that every time I rejoin you report it faster than flash.
I don’t come here to bother, like you do with everyone, but to simply post.
Don’t act like some valiant debater, you had my Twitter and IG, you message me then block me, you’ll never debate me publicly without any censorship because like always, I will refute your arguments.
This is you when I rejoin:
I actually never once said I don’t like you, I’ve praised you (your posts) multiple times, so, I’m not sure where you are getting that from. You’re the one who doesn’t like me for some reason.
I don’t know why you were banned in the first place, I wasn’t even a mod then, our instructions are to ban any alts banned members make so I’m simply doing as asked by admins.
You think you're a causal yet your whole twitter is dedicated to wrestling and nothing else. You actually sneak back on here for weird reason.The debate of the thread is over, it was proven by several users with factual evidence that Rock/Mankind was the bigger feud at the time.
Stephen and others could not refute the facts/points and resorted to assertions with no numbers.
This meeting is adjourned and thread is now conclusively answered.
@KingLobos and @The XL 2 posts were among the best in the thread.
I've never had any interactions with you outside this place. I'd be better if you hadn't make a fake instragram account of me and had a fake debate with me. That's just insane and that's why I have no respect for you. Always playing the victim.@Catalanotto who doesn’t even like me, already exposed that every time I rejoin you report it faster than flash.
I don’t come here to bother, like you do with everyone, but to simply post.
Don’t act like some valiant debater, you had my Twitter and IG, you message me then block me, you’ll never debate me publicly without any censorship because like always, I will refute your arguments.
This is you when I rejoin:
Here's the issue you don't know what a supporting cast member is. You're confusing Austin having a light schedule which he earned by being the highest grossest wrestler ever with someone else being the star. Hint the guy main eventing and winning WrestleMania is never a supporting cast member. You bring up Foley and suggest they were a shared top babyfaces yet Austin kicked Foley out of the WM 15 match himself.Yes it was, it played second fiddle to the sporadic Austin/McMahon underlying feud.
Austin was gone for a while and Austin/McMahon was in the background to Rock/Mankind, if you watch the shows and were around watching back then you’d know this instead of confusing it with their 1998 main week to week feud.
The Rumble match, not the Royal Rumble PPV.
It was built as a double main event and Rock/Mankind is the feud that was talked about by the mainstream media coming out of it.
You would know this if you were watching week to week back then, instead you jus clearly based it of just watching the PPV years after and seeing Austin/McMahon in the intro and being the last match, and thus didn’t know it was built as two headliners.
If you did the same with Royal Rumble and No Way Out 2000 you’d conclude that Triple H/Cactus Jack was the main headline as Rock is nowhere in the intro.
When in fact Rock was the main headline of the Rumble and was doing a tour promoting it such as on TRL.
Then again, this DOES happen with 2000 as you have people absurdly giving Triple H equal credit with Rock for 2000, which @KingLobos always points out as hilarious.
And now with people revising history that Austin/McMahon was bigger than Rock/Mankind from November of 1998-February 1999, which is absurd.
Austin Mcmahon was the lead feud from April 1998 to November 1998 and the lead up to Fully Loaded 1999, but it took a backseat to Rock/Mankind while Austin took sporadic role from November 1998-February 1999.
Same here, double main event.
Again not watching week to week and basing off which match went last.
Pull back a bit?
Yeah you definitely weren’t watching, because Austin/McMahon wasn’t “pulled back a bit”, it completely ended with McMahon’s face turn and them teaming up, after Wrestlemania 15 they didn’t feud again until June of 1999.
Really this just comes down to RLStern not understanding that the top guy will often have a relaxed work schedule and then pretending that means Rock was bigger and the focus.
Relaxed schedule or not, Austin/McMahon was in the background to Rock/Mankind even when Austin would make his sporadic appearances and lower in ratings than Rock/Mankind.
Its really that simple.
I know it runs contrary to what WWE told you in those funny documentaries but it’s irrefutable and the numbers are right there.
Austin was the supporting cast member behind Mankind when he won the belt, the spotlight was on Mankind and even in Austin’s regard for helping Mankind, Mankind was the guy and Austin was sporadic,
Same way Austin was the supporting cast for Backlash 2000 with The Rock as the guy.
And those Rock/Mankind title matches weren’t just big, they broke the record with their Haftime Heat match and did ratings Austin/McMahon never did.
Austin was no longer the guy as he was in 1998, he took an equal babyface role with Mankind, while overall being a lesser draw than Rock.
This isn’t an opinion either like your post, but a verifiable & irrefutable fact, like it or not:
It wasn’t 1998 anymore, Austin was no longer THE guy and Austin/McMahon was no longer the top feud.
Austin was the supporting cast member behind Mankind when he won the belt, the spotlight was on Mankind and even in Austin’s regard for helping Mankind, Mankind was the guy and Austin was sporadic,
Same way Austin was the supporting cast for Backlash 2000 with The Rock as the guy.
And those Rock/Mankind title matches weren’t just big, they broke the record with their Haftime Heat match and did ratings Austin/McMahon never did.
Austin was no longer the guy as he was in 1998, he took an equal babyface role with Mankind, while overall being a lesser draw than Rock.
This isn’t an opinion either like your post, but a verifiable & irrefutable fact, like it or not:
It wasn’t 1998 anymore, Austin was no longer THE guy and Austin/McMahon was no longer the top feud.
A vote by a niche community, mostly consisting of people not even around for the feuds isn’t going to change the facts my guy, the entire forum can vote Austin/McMahon, but it won’t change the numbers, it won’t change the facts that Rock/Mankind was the bigger feud.
You shouldn’t be upset with me for posting facts. Just chill out and you won’t get banned, as for me I’ll only post about wrestling whenever I rejoin since I’m still banned despite not wanting trouble and only wanting to post wrestling.
Stay away from the dramatic and simply respond to the points, to the facts and evidence me & @KingLobos provided.
Insults not only do no win any debate nor refute any substantiating point, but it’s bad look bro.
Nah nah, don’t warn him about nothing, I encourage debate.
But I find it strange that I’m banned for debating and staying in rules because of how people like Stephen react and someone who clearly baits like Stephen or DC get longer tenures.
I don’t wanna post in rants, I don’t want to post drama, I just want to post and debate wrestling, I’ve gotten insults and baits thrown at me for decades, yet I remained banned and labeled a troll?
Agree or disagree with me I’m gonna remain respectful to you, even when someone disrespects me I hold back my tongue and my anger, yet I can’t just post about numbers?
Rock/Austin debates have INCREASED in my absence since my ban, you got guys messaging my IG, yet I was considered the problem?
No, theres a group that will always start a Rock/Austin war, but it won’t be me, I simply post that Rock was the biggest star and always refute revisionist history.
I’m not responsible for how people react to my thoughts, my theories, my posts.
I don’t want to war anymore or get involved in drama anymore, I just want to be unbanned and post wrestling, if I have to be blocked by certain people fine, but I want the freedom to post on this forum which I have contributed for almost 15 years.
And this excellent post by @The XL 2 sums it pretty well…
/Thread.
And I'm confused on your point about the 2000 Rumble because in one scenario you're saying the title match was the focus and in the other you're saying the rumble match was the focus. Both times it's just you trying to give as much credit to the Rock as possible.
90 percent of the time the Royal rumble itself is the top match (obviously something like Rock v Punk would be an exception). Austin v Vince was the main event there.
Austin and McMahon were pulled back during the Austin and Rock feud. They had some interactions at the ppv's itself but for the most Vince was dealing with the threat of Taker and Austin was dealing with Rock and then Shane for the Backlash feud. They had to setup that swerve so they can finish the Austin vs Vince feud in a grand manner.
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