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So today is my last day in the Navy. I joined at age 19 and now four years later I'm done with my contract and going to school full time. I was so excited to get out of Florida and sadly enough I got stationed right back in Florida. The whole experience had it's ups and downs but that goes with anything. I'm by far not your stereotypical person that you would find in the military. I dropped a loaded shotgun and can't shoot a gun straight even if my life depended on it(good thing it didn't) but it doesn't really matter because I spent most of my time around computer servers and such (all this computer knowledge and Microsoft Word still got one over on me recently). If anyone is on the fence about joining I would definitely recommend giving it a shot.
 

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Thanks for serving.
I got out of the USMC not long ago after 14 years.
My reasons were:
* A growing family forced me to consider making more $$ as a civilian
* Wasn't too keen the way foreign policy was going, and wasn't too keen about the prospects of a 4th combat tour

So I made the move.
No matter what, you'll look back on the years of service as some of the best of your life, good luck.
 

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Congratulations for serving the great United States of America.

I may be Canadian, but I lived in Michigan long enough to know that our Men and Women in Uniform are the most upstanding people in the States.
Bullshit, they are trained killers who "defend" you by destroying the lives of innocents in foreign countries while their masters rape the country of any commodity of value it contains. The sooner people stop backing "our boys" and their leader's wars, the sooner we can sort out our own countries.
 

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Bullshit, they are trained killers who "defend" you by destroying the lives of innocents in foreign countries while their masters rape the country of any commodity of value it contains. The sooner people stop backing "our boys" and their leader's wars, the sooner we can sort out our own countries.
War in this world is un-avoidable. Whether it be within the United States or in some foreign country.

Anyways to the OP and to the poster that was in the USMC for 14 years. Thank you both for serving our country. A good friend of mine just joined the Army. Hopefully both of your civilian years are better than before. Once again thank you for the time you served.
 

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War in this world is un-avoidable. Whether it be within the United States or in some foreign country.

Anyways to the OP and to the poster that was in the USMC for 14 years. Thank you both for serving our country. A good friend of mine just joined the Army. Hopefully both of your civilian years are better than before. Once again thank you for the time you served.
War is avoidable, especially if you don't go looking for it at every opportunity.
 

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Bullshit, they are trained killers who "defend" you by destroying the lives of innocents in foreign countries while their masters rape the country of any commodity of value it contains. The sooner people stop backing "our boys" and their leader's wars, the sooner we can sort out our own countries.
The large majority of military personnel are service, command or management types who will never fire a shot in anger their entire careers.
Only a small fraction are trained killers, the cutting edge of the sword.
Sounds to me your gripe is with the military, and wars in general.
You would have made a great flower child, a bit late for that. Understand it is a cold, cruel world, and there are many who would love to see you and your family dead, and your land taken over.
So long as that is the case, and we don't live in utopia where everyone lives in harmony and understanding, military forces are necessary, though you may not agree with the concept or their actions.
Granted, political direction has taken a foul turn, which is one of the reasons I got out. Don't blame the fighting man for the poor decisions of bankrupt politicians.
 

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The large majority of military personnel are service, command or management types who will never fire a shot in anger their entire careers.
Only a small fraction are trained killers, the cutting edge of the sword.
Sounds to me your gripe is with the military, and wars in general.
You would have made a great flower child, a bit late for that. Understand it is a cold, cruel world, and there are many who would love to see you and your family dead, and your land taken over.
So long as that is the case, and we don't live in utopia where everyone lives in harmony and understanding, military forces are necessary, though you may not agree with the concept or their actions.
Granted, political direction has taken a foul turn, which is one of the reasons I got out. Don't blame the fighting man for the poor decisions of bankrupt politicians.
Actually my gripe is with bought and paid for politicians, the money men who pay them and the ignorant masses who "back our boys" in illegal and unjustified wars. Perhaps we should look at the actions of those who fight in our name as the reason "many would love to see me and my family dead". The fact is the US and the UK in particular trot around the world dealing death to any who won't go along with their plans for central government.

Military forces are necessary for defence but when was the last time we were in a defensive war? Now "we" are in Irag, Afghanistan, Libya, the US are drone-bombing Pakistan (killing civilians mostly), we are headed into the Ivory Coast and the best part is that the UN is now calling the shots. We don't even need incompetent politicians to rape our own, and other countries, now all it takes in a UN mandate and hey presto! NATO and the US are bombing whomever doesn't follow the script. So please, spare me the "evil men in turbans" routine. I've had enough of it.
 

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So today is my last day in the Navy. I joined at age 19 and now four years later I'm done with my contract and going to school full time. I was so excited to get out of Florida and sadly enough I got stationed right back in Florida. The whole experience had it's ups and downs but that goes with anything. I'm by far not your stereotypical person that you would find in the military. I dropped a loaded shotgun and can't shoot a gun straight even if my life depended on it(good thing it didn't) but it doesn't really matter because I spent most of my time around computer servers and such (all this computer knowledge and Microsoft Word still got one over on me recently). If anyone is on the fence about joining I would definitely recommend giving it a shot.
Dude, don't say that, have you never seen a war movie. The guy who says it's his last day always dies.
 

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Actually my gripe is with bought and paid for politicians, the money men who pay them and the ignorant masses who "back our boys" in illegal and unjustified wars. Perhaps we should look at the actions of those who fight in our name as the reason "many would love to see me and my family dead". The fact is the US and the UK in particular trot around the world dealing death to any who won't go along with their plans for central government.

Military forces are necessary for defence but when was the last time we were in a defensive war? Now "we" are in Irag, Afghanistan, Libya, the US are drone-bombing Pakistan (killing civilians mostly), we are headed into the Ivory Coast and the best part is that the UN is now calling the shots. We don't even need incompetent politicians to rape our own, and other countries, now all it takes in a UN mandate and hey presto! NATO and the US are bombing whomever doesn't follow the script. So please, spare me the "evil men in turbans" routine. I've had enough of it.
I agree with some of that.
I had 2 tours in Iraq, I seen so much death, waste, corruption and destruction I could write a book, and in fact I probably will.
Some positive things too, but all in all I didn't have a very good sense about why the fuck I was there risking my ass every day.
Moral among the troops was not all that good. So I'm one of the guys you deride as the mindless killing drones following orders.
To a degree, thats true. Is true of any military in any time frame. The purpose of a combat soldier is to kill when ordered to kill, and theres very little wiggle room for personal feelings.
I don't agree though, you seem to propose these "men in turbans" are just innocent darlings, bravely defending their homelands, only wishing to be left in peace.
Ain't nearly that simply. These are some truly evil characters, whos only purpose in life is slaughtering infidels, the more the better.
They are religiously motivated zealots of a variety that is worse than the world has ever known - And while you may accuse someone like me of being mindless killing machine, the same would apply 100X to these fanatics.
Soldiers have limits, and are not bound to follow orders they consider illegal. If someone told me to toss a grenade in a room full of kids, I probably would have shot the guy giving an order like that - And would likely have been held blameless in the following court marshal.
Not so for your cherished turbaned zealots - They thrive on carnage and innocent blood, and fly into a murderous rage at the slightest provocation.

The Predator strikes in Pakistan, as long as we are there, are necessary.
These guys hiding out there are the ones planning massacres, homicide bombings and international outrages. They are out of reach, and this is the only way they can be taken out.
They are declared enemies, and legitimate targets ,, Though its easy to see how some have a problem with it.
After all, we are talking about killing people that are presumed guilty, without presenting a shred of evidence.
You sure don't have to agree with it, but to declare outright that they are illegal, and killing innocent people ect, without having the slightest clue if what you are saying is correct, is out of line.

The problem as I see it is, we have allowed so many of them to infiltrate our societies.
How can a bearded zealot sitting in some cave in Afghanistan possibly be a threat to us, 1,000's of miles away ?
Because that guy can hatch his plans, and give the orders to one of his zealots who is already pre positioned in our lands.
So you ask me, the main threat, and really the only threat, to our societies is this so-called "multiculturalism".
It is that, and only that, which allows them to hold us hostage in our own lands, and compels us to try to subdue and occupy lands around the world in an effort to stop them from harming us.

Libya, by the way, I agree is a complete unnecessary adventure we have no business at all interfering in an internal struggle. I never have, and never will, agree to the concept of using military force in pursuance of a so-called humanitarian doctrine.
Primarily driven by Europeans, I was very discouraged when the USA caved in and agreed to this sordid affair, after showing good judgment for weeks.
I have many good friends who, as I speak, have been floating around in assault ships for weeks, waiting for any order to intervene.
I will be hugely outraged if a single America life is lost in this sandpit, and those responsible for involving us in this fiasco should be held to account.
 

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Congrats dude, There's only one day better than that in a serviceman's career. And that's tomorrow.

To the guy hating on servicemen and women; Don't hate the player, hate the game. People just doing what they're told.
 
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