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In the year of 2017,Jinder Mahal won the wwe championship by defeating Randy Orton. A lot of people criticized his title run and referred it as a terrible idea but was it really that bad? Mahal was a decent heel and generated heat too. I don't think it was bad. He just needed to be booked a bit more properly.
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Mahal's run is still streets ahead of anything else when it comes to "worst WWE title runs".

People saying that The Miz has overtaken that are absolutely insane. At least The Miz is a passable wrestler who can perform his own finisher without botching half the time. The Miz is still one of the best on the mic in the company. That hasn't changed just because he won a title when you think he shouldn't.

Let's also hold off on this all-out attack on The Miz at least untli he's held it for 24 hours. The fact is, he'll very likely loose it at Fastlane, if not at RAW tonight. There have been plenty of other people with short, transitional reigns that are way less qualified than The Miz.

Calm down and let the story play out, FFS. This is probably leading us to Drew clashing with Lashley at Mania. Can we really be so outraged over that?
 

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He's up there with Miz as the worst to ever hold the title
 
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in terms of presentation, it was one of the better reigns of the past few years. Better than Seth's most recent reign and imo he was a more entertaining champion than Kofi for me but I'm sure many will disagree. Enjoyed his feud with Orton and AJ, I love how AJ brought out the best of him as far as work rate. I would like to see him feud with Drew.
 

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I just don’t think you can randomly throw the WWE championship at a jobber and expect it to go well. He wasn’t the worst guy on the roster or anything, but I hardly even remember his title reign. Also he had tits.
 

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People saying that The Miz has overtaken that are absolutely insane. At least The Miz is a passable wrestler who can perform his own finisher without botching half the time.
the move is totally dependent on the person taking to make it look good (similar to a DDT). the only time it's been legit botched is when it was done on Nakamura (and that was Nakamura's fault).

look how AJ and others have taken it and made it look legit while Orton and Nakamura made it look like shit. That isn't Jinder's fault.

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and you can't blame that on Orton and Shinsuke being too big to take it when Rusev and Luke Harper made it look good
 

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I think his title reign is one of the most damaging decision that the WWE has made the last decade or so. The timing of it couldn't have been any worse. NXT was huge at the time and people were finally starting to get excited about the future of the company again. The system seemed to be set up perfectly. Triple H would bring in the best talent in the indies. He would introduce them to the audience and make them stars in NXT and then they would go to the main roster and be ready to go.

The Smackdown roster at the time had former NXT greats like Sami Zayn, Kevin Owens and Shinsuke Nakamura to go along with Randy Orton and AJ Styles. Plus possible up and coming talents like Chad Gable, Jason Jordan, Rusev and others. Fans were finally starting to trust the product again, mostly because NXT got them to start trusting again.

Then Vince decides not to give the title to Nakamura who was super over and coming out of NXT red hot. Not to AJ Styles who was the best wrestler on the planet at the time. Not to Kevin Owens or Sami Zayn who were both at the top of their game as well. Not even to Randy Orton who has always been a safe bet for Vince. Instead he decided to give it to Jinder Mahal, a guy who was nothing but a jobber his entire WWE career and only got the tile because they wanted to target a specific market and he got juiced up while he was gone. It was a giant slap to the face to all of the WWE fans who got invested in all of the talented guys on the roster and it made people realize that, yet again, it doesn't matter who the fans like, it doesn't matter who is having the best matches, it doesn't matter who is cutting the best promos, Vince is going to go with the guy he likes and there is nothing that fans can do about it.

This has nothing to do with Mahal. He is mediocre all around but this isn't his fault. But I truly believe giving him the title was one of the biggest mistakes the WWE ever made and drove away a ton of fans. I know it did for me. It made me finally realize, especially after all of those years of John Cena and the start of Roman Reigns, that I was no longer part of the show and my opinion didn't matter to Vince. That is the main reason that Vince can't build stars anymore, because the fans have ZERO trust left in the guy and wouldn't you know he is still pulling his crap today by giving the title to The Miz. All of the optimism that existed in 2017 is gone and that is 100% because of Vince McMahon and his inability to treat his fanbase like they matter and believing the he knows better than them.
 

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His reign was underated because he always got heat from the fans no matter what ,and his mic work were good too.
I respectfully disagree. People need to stop confusing actually heat with people booing because they think that someone is awful. People were booing because they were pissed that WWE would be stupid enough to give the title to a jobber when there were so many guys that were better than him. The "any reaction is a good reaction" excuse is exactly why the company can't get people to watch their show anymore. "Oh look, the fans are pissed off, this must be working" is why the fans ultimately gave up on the company. The fans were trying to tell them that they disapproved of the product but Vince wouldn't listen so they eventually tuned out. Real heat is what Ciampa got when he turned on Gargano. The fans would boo the hell out of him but loved to boo him and wanted to see more of him. Jinder heat is fans booing because they literally didn't want to see him anymore.
 

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I respectfully disagree. People need to stop confusing actually heat with people booing because they think that someone is awful. People were booing because they were pissed that WWE would be stupid enough to give the title to a jobber when there were so many guys that were better than him. The "any reaction is a good reaction" excuse is exactly why the company can't get people to watch their show anymore. "Oh look, the fans are pissed off, this must be working" is why the fans ultimately gave up on the company. The fans were trying to tell them that they disapproved of the product but Vince wouldn't listen so they eventually tuned out. Real heat is what Ciampa got when he turned on Gargano. The fans would boo the hell out of him but loved to boo him and wanted to see more of him. Jinder heat is fans booing because they literally didn't want to see him anymore.
go-away heat is not a real concept anymore. and the idea that Jinder's reign drove away a bunch of fans is something people want to be true, but it isn't. Ratings didn't significantly change, and house show numbers on SD were doing better than RAW at the time, which means he was drawing better than Seth on the B show. go look up the numbers.

the real heat / go away heat argument is just a way for certain fans to justify why the people they prefer are ones everyone should be enjoying and vice versa. A heel isn't a good heel because you respect them as a performer and want to secretly cheer for them. Heels of the past were legit hated and even got death threats from audience members or physically assaulted. The idea IS for people to hate you if you're staying true to your character. and Mohomad Hassan was legit hated by people, not booed but they secretly respected and adored him. I used to despise Corbin for example but I can actually enjoy him as a heel now considering most heels these days aren't that good at being heels.

and if he was really getting "go away heat" in the manner people wish was true, the numbers would have significantly dropped and that isn't what happened. numbers were already dropping prior to that, and as I said earlier, SD was continuing to pull better numbers than RAW despite being the B show at the time. even when Roman was getting this "go away heat" it didn't mean fans were completely tuning out and didn't want to see him. Roman was still drawing a big reaction even if it wasn't the reaction WWE wanted because of how forced his babyface push was and that's the same situation with Jinder's forced push as champion. That isn't "go away heat", it's just heat.
 

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One of the most random (and stupid) things the WWE has done in recent years. The only title Mahal should be winning is the 24/7, he has no place in the Main Event scene.
 

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Probably the best world champion they have had in the last few years.

His reign was great from what I remember. He looked like a fucking star imo.
 
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