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Just a question. Has the women’s evolution even happened? It seems their were milestones like Chyna, Paige and AJ Lee, the give divas a chance #. Which ironically we can’t refer to the woman as divas anymore. So hush hush. But was Evolution the PPV. Just a gimmick. Without Ronda. It doesn’t seem like the women’s division is all that relevant. And theirs a ton of talent in the woman’s division Nxt and Main Roster. I just don’t think an evolution ever occurred.
 

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How the hell can people still say that?

we went from 5min nothing heatless matches to main event matches on the regular. They main-evented the last 2 PPVs of the year.

The women's evolution happened. The fact women are now getting more TV time, multiple storylines, getting people invested..that's all there is to it.

There doesn't NEED to be an all women's PPV. Sure, it could be great, but it's not something they should just do because "give women a chance" or whatever, just like you won't ever have a show promoted as an "all male show".
 

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There's a reason the fans are most critical on AEW about their women's division. WWE made fans think women's wrestling was the next big step in the industry. Whether it should be or not, WWE shifted the PR to say it is.

It won't be as big as men's Wrestling. But, they have more time and attention.
 

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During the Attitude Era, Lita and Trish only main event Raw at the time was ground breaking. Lately, women got main event Wrestlemania, all female ppv, and some main event tv shows. It is sexist to say fans come only to see male wrestlers when the top selling merchantise is a female. Wrestling needs both males and females to deliver a good product.
 

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Of course it's legit. For the first time we have a female FOTC, and for me personally the women's division has been more entertaining than the mens for some time.
 

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Of course it has. The top star in the company right now is a woman and has been for the last 18 months. The difference between the women's division in 2013 compared to now is like night and day.
 

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It was a pr tool they tried to use.

But wwe being wwe ran it into the ground and drove away more viewers than it has made.
 

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Yes it has, and it's been successful since women are now a more prominent force on the show and have often been the focal point of the card too.
 

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The Women's Evolution is very legitimate. One thing to note is how many ladies helped to get the movement to this point. But one lady really stands out as the unsung hero: Sasha Banks. Her matches in 2015 and 2016 really made people notice that the women could outperform the men.
 

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It's a gimmick. That's not to shit on the women or anything, because there are some really talented ones out there, but that has always been the case. Women's wrestling has also had great historical significance. They even had their own promotions and shows. It's a condescending marketing ploy to align the women they want to push with progressive feminist principles as women make strides towards equality in society, culture, sports, the arts and business.

Would the push of women's wrestling in the same tone as it has been have happened had, say, it be important that the women actually draw? Does Becky Lynch get the focus and time she got if it's much more effective to double-down on Seth Rollins as a babyface challenger for Brock, and to actually weigh their history and Seth's story instead of deliberately keeping it basically a cold match?

Again, this is not a knock on the women. Becky is over with crowds. Asuka is a phenomenal worker. Charlotte Flair does carry herself like a star. Ronda Rousey is an attraction. Becky Lynch vs. Shayna Baszler and Charlotte Flair vs. Rhea Ripley are two matches that I really want to see at Mania this year. That being said, I feel this is a better presentation for them than last year's "they're main eventing!" push was. And Ronda Rousey's mixed tag was a better deal than the Triple Threat. And I preferred Charlotte vs. Asuka too.
 

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It's both.

It's legit because women's wrestling has, clearly, never been better. Story wise, card placement wise, match quality wise, "overness" wise or whatever you want to call it, they're all at historic highs. The only debatable question is whether today's wrestlers will obtain the historical longevity of the likes of Sherri Martel, Ms. Elizabeth, Fabulous Moolah (despite all her crimes) or even Trish Stratus and Lita and for that only time will tell.

It's a gimmick because it could be even bigger than it is, but for WWe's typical blunders. They've booked Charlotte to the point where she's suffocated the division and stifled its growth. Booked talents against their strengths, into creative holes and corners, and in several cases didn't book them at all, damaging the long term viability of the division as a whole. They botched the natural growth of the division and over extended too quickly instead of letting it grow normally, for the sake of Stephanie getting to cut promos and Charlotte tying her daddy's title record. And when they actually had a BIG match people wanted that was capable of main-eventing Wrestlemania, they shot themselves in the foot, tripped over said foot, cracked their head on a sink, chipped a tooth on a table, bit their tongue on a chair, face planted onto the floor, and then shit themselves, and did so to such an extent that the idea of women main-eventing Mania again is considered laughable. I could go on and one but sufficed to say WWe's fucked up the woman's division at nearly every turn, and at times seemingly on purpose.

It might be to late to say long story short, and it's probably a cop out on my part, but... both... it's both.
 

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The evolution started with Chyna, Lita, Trish, etc....it was the Bella Twins who fucked it up, and then there was the fake social media campaign of "Give Divas a chance" that is attributed to the so called Women's Evolution. Women wrestlers have always been there, women boxers have always been there, and female mma have been there for years.....It's marketed different, but to deny Trish, Lita, Chyna, etc is a disgrace.
 

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On Backstage last night they were talking about it. I think it has been 5 years since it started.

It started because the women were being given little time for matches. They were even shortening the planned match lengths during the shows so that they could have more time for the men. Then the Womens Revolution started and Women have been featured a lot more heavily on the shows since.

It's legit, even though people like Stephanie have over used the name.

During the "Divas" era, there were Women that were talented in the ring but they focused on looks a whole lot more than they do now.

By the way, don't put this on The Bella Twins when they didn't hire themselves to WWE. Also, Trish was originally a model and we all saw what Lita was wearing when she was with Edge.
 

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Ultimately it was just all about WWE looking progressive and with the times, and Stephanie patting herself on the back.

Its also led to many fans shitting on any women who were around before the Horsewomen hit the Main Roster. Lita, Chyna, and Trish were providing iconic moments decades ago. Mickie, Melina, Beth, Victoria, Lita, Trish, Molly, Ivory, etc, etc, etc were putting on great matches when they got the chance too do so decades ago. But there's a tendency there for people to act like it was all garbage before the Horsewomen popped up and buried anyone who wasn't a Horsewoman.
 

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It’s legitimate, since the current FOTC is a woman. But upper management treats it like a gimmick.

It’s just in a holding pattern right now for couple of reasons. The first is because the Four Horsewomen (well really Becky and Charlotte) are occupying the top spots a lot. The second is that WWE haven’t figured out how to have women main event WM again without Rousey, even though Bayley, Banks, Bliss, Asuka, Ember, Fire & Desire & even Paige are around. They're not being used to their full marketing potential.
 
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