[Joff]

Just reiterating. Seems like every person is blaming the WWE/Vince for this.


I don't like that it happened against a part timer, but overall - I'm glad it happened. Taker probably has nothing left to give, and this really elevates Brock/Heyman and gave us the biggest shock in Mania history.

 

[Brandough]

I'll respect it since it was his choice, still doesn't mean I like it tho

 

[Hawkke]

So the question(s) of the hour are this..
Is there anyone on this forum who was in the "creative" meetings?
Is there anyone who has spoke to the Undertaker or Vince in person?
Is there taped evidence of exactly who said what?

Until then it's all speculation.

 

[mrmacman]

By shock you mean felt retarded than yes.

 

[Godofgods]

So the question(s) of the hour are this..
Is there anyone on this forum who was in the "creative" meetings?
Is there anyone who has spoke to the Undertaker or Vince in person?
Is there taped evidence of exactly who said what?

Until then it's all speculation.

That^^

Your assuming it was takers choice just as much as others are assuming it wasn't takers choice.

 

[combolock]

It was your mom's choice.

 

[Lornestorm]

To be honest the more I read about it and re-watch the match, the more I'm thinking that Taker made the call for Brock to pin him after the third F5. I really wonder if he was supposed to go over Brock after a physical match and a finish-counter-finish fest.

Sean Waltman tweeted "My thoughts go out to Taker" and "I didn't know all the facts, and that's all I'm at liberty to discuss." He is a close friend of HHH's. Could he have found out something about the intended direction of the finish? Why so quick to tweet an apology?

It seems that everyone including Heyman are legitimately stunned by the finish. What I still want to know is why does the ref immediately wave his arms "no" to invalidate the three-count? It's looked like he was trying to save it and make it look like Taker moved just before three. What does Taker whisper to Brock just before the third F5? Why was there such a delay for Brock's music or the graphic 21-1 to be shown?

With Sting signing with the company it seemed inevitable that they would do the big Sting vs. Taker. How could they not? If that were in fact the plan, is it realistic to think that Taker would let Brock go over and end his streak on what WASN'T supposed to be his last match?

I really think Taker was so legit fucked up that he could NOT perform anything resembling a decent finisher. I think he called the finish opposite to what was planned to save it from being an embarrassment of an ending. Brock himself looks shell-shocked and doesn't seem to know what to do for the first few minutes after the pin. Wonder if we'll ever find out the real story. Not sure I trust the dirtsheets.

 

[Mazodus]

Lol, Undertaker losing a match has created at least 30 threads in the last week, can we get this bumped up?
So sick of it.

It doesn't matter who ended it. Big Boss Man could've walked in with a loaded shotgun and demanded to Vince that Taker lose or he'll blow Stephs pretty little Ta-Ta's off for all I care. Its done.

 

[CM Punk Is A God]

Brock Lesnar should of been the one to end the streak, it was the right move. If anybody was going to end it, Lesnar was the right choice.

 

[reDREDD]

#thanksObama

 

[Kratosx23]

Just reiterating. Seems like every person is blaming the WWE/Vince for this.


I don't like that it happened against a part timer, but overall - I'm glad it happened. Taker probably has nothing left to give, and this really elevates Brock/Heyman and gave us the biggest shock in Mania history.

It really doesn't at all. Brock Lesnar felt like absolutely no bigger of a star for ending the Streak than he did before the match, and that's the problem with ending it on this guy. There was no rub received because there was no rub that could be given, he's already a legendary main event wrestler, Why wouldn't you give it to a young guy and try to make them with it? And I know the argument is "well, what if the young guy flopped?" WELL THEN AT LEAST THEY TRIED. At least they would have made an attempt to create a new star, it's better than just tossing it in the dumpster and having Taker lose just to lose. The idea of breaking the Streak should be that whoever does it is a main event guy now, not doing it just because it's his last match and he has to lose. Losing to Lesnar is equally as wasteful as retiring with the Streak in tact.

 

[Mazodus]

It really doesn't at all. Brock Lesnar felt like absolutely no bigger of a star for ending the Streak than he did before the match, and that's the problem with ending it on this guy. There was no rub received because there was no rub that could be given, he's already a legendary main event wrestler, Why wouldn't you give it to a young guy and try to make them with it? And I know the argument is "well, what if the young guy flopped?" WELL THEN AT LEAST THEY TRIED. At least they would have made an attempt to create a new star, it's better than just tossing it in the dumpster and having Taker lose just to lose. The idea of breaking the Streak should be that whoever does it is a main event guy now, not doing it just because it's his last match and he has to lose. Losing to Lesnar is equally as wasteful as retiring with the Streak in tact.

Half of this was done to build Lesnar's stock because we all know that Brock can't talk for shit and Heyman would have eventually ran out of things to build Brock up with. Now he has something that can be used for the next decade as the benchmark for 'The All Conquering Wrestler'.
If you put that title on someone like Bray Wyatt, you have to be confident that he can remain a top heel for the next 10 years because the fans will never put him over as a face. He doesn't have the build or the flexibility to change his gimmick to allow that, and I don't blame WWE for choosing Brock because he is everything the Streak Breaker should be. A Lean, Mean Conquering Machine.

 

[Kratosx23]

Half of this was done to build Lesnar's stock because we all know that Brock can't talk for shit and Heyman would have eventually ran out of things to build Brock up with. Now he has something that can be used for the next decade as the benchmark for 'The All Conquering Wrestler'.

THAT'S your argument? Brock should've ended the Streak just so Heyman can have different promo material? fpalm And then you say he would've ran out of things to talk about, won't he run out of this too? This isn't gonna fresh for a decade, and frankly I highly doubt Brock is even gonna keep doing this a decade from now.

This win doesn't build Lesnar up at all, he's MADE. He was made 5 months into his career on the main roster, he doesn't need Undertaker.

If you put that title on someone like Bray Wyatt, you have to be confident that he can remain a top heel for the next 10 years because the fans will never put him over as a face. He doesn't have the build or the flexibility to change his gimmick to allow that, and I don't blame WWE for choosing Brock because he is everything the Streak Breaker should be. A Lean, Mean Conquering Machine.

Well they should be that confident in him because he's that good, but regardless, even if they put the Streak on a young guy and it absolutely failed, at LEAST they TRIED. That's all you can ask for. Sometimes you try to push someone and it just doesn't work, see Del Rio. Bray Wyatt has already conclusively proved that he does work, though. Putting the Streak on Brock Lesnar is not even trying, it's taking 2 decades worth of build up and throwing it away. This should've been the single biggest put over in wrestling history and instead, it helped the guy who won about as much as a win over Bo Dallas on Raw would.

 

[_Triple_H_]

atleast HHH is not getting blamed for this.

 

[SnoopSystem]

It seems that everyone including Heyman are legitimately stunned by the finish. What I still want to know is why does the ref immediately wave his arms "no" to invalidate the three-count? It's looked like he was trying to save it and make it look like Taker moved just before three. What does Taker whisper to Brock just before the third F5? Why was there such a delay for Brock's music or the graphic 21-1 to be shown?

I really think Taker was so legit fucked up that he could NOT perform anything resembling a decent finisher. I think he called the finish opposite to what was planned to save it from being an embarrassment of an ending. Brock himself looks shell-shocked and doesn't seem to know what to do for the first few minutes after the pin. Wonder if we'll ever find out the real story. Not sure I trust the dirtsheets.

I was wondering that as well. Maybe the referee and commentators were waiting for McMahon's decision on how to proceed. I thought maybe the match would turn into a casket match immediately after so that Lesnar's pin doesn't mean that he won after all. It would be the McMahon or Triple H character not wanting the streak to end so they come out to announce a change in plans.

However, it would be a lame way for Undertaker to keep his streak though. It makes everything look cheap and unfair to the Lesnar character after he just pinned Taker.

 

[Kahn Digifer]

I don't think the streak should have been broken at all.

 

[hbgoo1975]

I wanted The Undertaker to win.

 

[djkhaled]

So the question(s) of the hour are this..
Is there anyone on this forum who was in the "creative" meetings?
Is there anyone who has spoke to the Undertaker or Vince in person?
Is there taped evidence of exactly who said what?

Until then it's all speculation.

arent you the guy in the wrestlemania thread that kept saying it was a botched finish and undertaker was meant to win? hahaha

 

[glenwo2]

To be honest the more I read about it and re-watch the match, the more I'm thinking that Taker made the call for Brock to pin him after the third F5. I really wonder if he was supposed to go over Brock after a physical match and a finish-counter-finish fest.

Sean Waltman tweeted "My thoughts go out to Taker" and "I didn't know all the facts, and that's all I'm at liberty to discuss." He is a close friend of HHH's. Could he have found out something about the intended direction of the finish? Why so quick to tweet an apology?

It seems that everyone including Heyman are legitimately stunned by the finish. What I still want to know is why does the ref immediately wave his arms "no" to invalidate the three-count? It's looked like he was trying to save it and make it look like Taker moved just before three. What does Taker whisper to Brock just before the third F5? Why was there such a delay for Brock's music or the graphic 21-1 to be shown?

With Sting signing with the company it seemed inevitable that they would do the big Sting vs. Taker. How could they not? If that were in fact the plan, is it realistic to think that Taker would let Brock go over and end his streak on what WASN'T supposed to be his last match?

I really think Taker was so legit fucked up that he could NOT perform anything resembling a decent finisher. I think he called the finish opposite to what was planned to save it from being an embarrassment of an ending. Brock himself looks shell-shocked and doesn't seem to know what to do for the first few minutes after the pin. Wonder if we'll ever find out the real story. Not sure I trust the dirtsheets.

Looking at the post-match shenanigans of Heyman right after the 3-count, he immediately dived into the ring, and into a position of acting shocked so I don't think Paul was taken by surprise at all here.

If he was, he's the GREATEST AD-LIB'er of any WWE manager/personality in history.

Brock's reaction as Paul was telling him "he did it" was HILARIOUS.

I really wish someone made new smilies of those looks. :lol

 

[dudenamedric]

I don't like that that streak ended, but I absolutely love the shock and fan reaction of it. It's amazing to see