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Then why do you think WWE are so high on him, AND, he has the fan support to show for it?
the crowd support of nxt and indie marks, whose opinion changes like the wind and will soon be rejecting him?

megastar ahahaha wow
lol let me let you in on a little secret.
Your guy was a worse version of Roman Reigns, at least Reigns is average in the ring. Your guy sucked and he was lucky enough to be friends with HHH who decided to end his reign of terror by losing 3 times clean to his "friend". That's why he was eaten alive by the crowd in 14. If the BOOKING of Batista in 2005 wasn't perfect, and added to fact HHH's reign of terror was killing RAW, he would have been Mason Ryan.

In other words, every ME of the past era Rey, Punk, Bryan, Cena, Orton, Edge, Jericho, Taker, Angle, Jeff Hardy >> Batista.
 

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lol let me let you in on a little secret.
Your guy was a worse version of Roman Reigns, at least Reigns is average in the ring. Your guy sucked and he was lucky enough to be friends with HHH who decided to end his reign of terror by losing 3 times clean to his "friend". That's why he was eaten alive by the crowd in 14. If the BOOKING of Batista in 2005 wasn't perfect, and added to fact HHH's reign of terror was killing RAW, he would have been Mason Ryan.

In other words, every ME of the past era Rey, Punk, Bryan, Cena, Orton, Edge, Jericho, Taker, Angle, Jeff Hardy >> Batista.
batista was a superstar mate, more than the lot of them with the exception of maybe taker and cena

you sound like a bitter little boy dont you, bitter that someone you dont like became a real superstar while your own favourites has amounted to jack shit

in a conversation about whether balor is a megastar (utter shite) you decide to attack a genuine superstar with a group of work rate geeks? fans like you have killed wrestling, killed it dead mate
workrate idiots and spot monkeys who never drew jack shit with the exception of taker and cena

the smarkiest of smark answers from you, you should be embarrassed
 

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In other words, every ME of the past era Rey, Punk, Bryan, Cena, Orton, Edge, Jericho, Taker, Angle, Jeff Hardy >> Batista.
Batista drew more dimes than any of them except Taker. Most of the guys now want to be Chris Jericho, but without the charisma and sharp mind he has for the business. The worst drawing champions were Benoit and Eddie (per Meltz). Benoit would have been a perfect fit for today's era. Malenko too.
 

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why do people care if a wrestlers passion wasnt wrestling when they grew up
This.

Honestly it's such a shame that there is this stigma surrounding not just wrestling but all forms of sports and entertainment that if you're in it to make money then your a bit of a sellout and money grabber. People love to forget that at the end of the day wrestling is a job for these guys and while yes you would want to watch people who love doing their job you have to understand that not everyone will but as long as they try who cares.

As for the actual question it's more down to booking than anything else. The WWE have a bunch of creative guys but they are limited in what they can do because Vince can't work out whether he wants wrestling to be presented as a real sport or as a soap drama.
 

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This.

Honestly it's such a shame that there is this stigma surrounding not just wrestling but all forms of sports and entertainment that if you're in it to make money then your a bit of a sellout and money grabber. People love to forget that at the end of the day wrestling is a job for these guys and while yes you would want to watch people who love doing their job you have to understand that not everyone will but as long as they try who cares.

As for the actual question it's more down to booking than anything else. The WWE have a bunch of creative guys but they are limited in what they can do because Vince can't work out whether he wants wrestling to be presented as a real sport or as a soap drama.
i agree that vince cant decide, though i also believe the fans can't decide either

lets use bryan as an example here and ill try not to be negative

fans call for a more sports presentation, therefore bryan should have never beaten triple h, batista orton or cena and never been the world heavyweight champion because hes not a heavyweight and would be physically dominated in a real situation
however the fans want those crazy underdog big man vs small man matches so there is a conflict there

other fans want the complete opposite, soap opera in which anything can happen, more of a tv show than a sports show
however they are then concerned about workrate, match quality and legitimacy
all things associated with real sports
so again there is a conflict as well

its a tricky position to be in
 

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batista was a superstar mate, more than the lot of them with the exception of maybe taker and cena

you sound like a bitter little boy dont you, bitter that someone you dont like became a real superstar while your own favourites has amounted to jack shit

in a conversation about whether balor is a megastar (utter shite) you decide to attack a genuine superstar with a group of work rate geeks? fans like you have killed wrestling, killed it dead mate
workrate idiots and spot monkeys who never drew jack shit with the exception of taker and cena

the smarkiest of smark answers from you, you should be embarrassed
Denying Balor's star potential is utter delusions by some you. He's got it all, and he'll prove it, time will tell.
My answer is the same, you can hate all you, fact of the matter is, we won. The real wrestling fans won. Batista's mediocre talent would never be accepted in this day and age. As proven. It's no longer the 90's so stop living in the past. We want talented all around guys. We don't want no talent only looks guys main eventing in mediocre programs.

Batista drew more dimes than any of them except Taker. Most of the guys now want to be Chris Jericho, but without the charisma and sharp mind he has for the

more than Cena? Orton who has longevity over him? Edge who was in the AE and Face of SD for 3 business. The worst drawing champions were Benoit and Eddie (per Meltz). Benoit would have been a perfect fit for today's era. Malenko too.
years and who's RAW rating when he won the title the first time where highest in 5 years? Rey who sold tons more merch than him? Jericho, another star of the AE and charged with Carrying RAW everytime someone gets injured? Angle?
Batista drew in HIS PROGRAM with HHH. Because people were sick and tired of evolution and HHH's reign of terror wanting it to end, and to no shocker HHH drops it to only his friends and put him over, when others much more talented would have benefited from that rub too.
 

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Denying Balor's star potential is utter delusions by some you. He's got it all, and he'll prove it, time will tell.
My answer is the same, you can hate all you, fact of the matter is, we won. The real wrestling fans won. Batista's mediocre talent would never be accepted in this day and age. As proven. It's no longer the 90's so stop living in the past. We want talented all around guys. We don't want no talent only looks guys main eventing in mediocre programs.

years and who's RAW rating when he won the title the first time where highest in 5 years? Rey who sold tons more merch than him? Jericho, another star of the AE and charged with Carrying RAW everytime someone gets injured?
Batista drew in HIS PROGRAM with HHH. Because people were sick and tired of evolution and HHH's reign of terror wanting it to end, and to no shocker HHH drops it to only his friends and put him over, when others much more talented would have benefited from that rub too.
your right, you won, midgets and weaklings are all over the place these days and look at the state of professional wrestling now, down in the fucking dumps because of workrate muppets like you
"real wrestling fans" as you like to call it have murdered the business millions of people loved
what an obnoxious, pretentious idiot youve shown yourself to be
you can underestimate batistas in ring ability all you like, your wrong, great power moves and psychology and knew how much of a star he was

balors shite, 15 shite years on the independent scene and in new japan
killed the momentum of nxt, even your workrate loving friends agree on that

as for the rest the numbers dont lie, you can come up with all the conspiracy theories you like mate just continue being bitter

no talent hahaha if you were the judge of talent for the e theyd be roh now
you have no idea what talent is youve made that apparent
 

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your right, you won, midgets and weaklings are all over the place these days and look at the state of professional wrestling now, down in the fucking dumps because of workrate muppets like you
"real wrestling fans" as you like to call it have murdered the business millions of people loved
what an obnoxious, pretentious idiot youve shown yourself to be
you can underestimate batistas in ring ability all you like, your wrong, great power moves and psychology and knew how much of a star he was

balors shite, 15 shite years on the independent scene and in new japan
killed the momentum of nxt, even your workrate loving friends agree on that

as for the rest the numbers dont lie, you can come up with all the conspiracy theories you like mate just continue being bitter

no talent hahaha if you were the judge of talent for the e theyd be roh now
you have no idea what talent is youve made that apparent
It's not Balor's fault he was stuck facing the same guy for 7 months..
Batista was good at portraying his character but he was bad in the ring and on the mic. Had Mason Ryan been friends with HHH, he could have been pushed similarly.

You can claim all you want it's the indy guys that killed the business, but fact of the matter is, it was dead long before them, and they are the saviors right now, they are the only reason it's still alive.
 

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It's not Balor's fault he was stuck facing the same guy for 7 months..
Batista was good at portraying his character but he was bad in the ring and on the mic. Had Mason Ryan been friends with HHH, he could have been pushed similarly.

You can claim all you want it's the indy guys that killed the business, but fact of the matter is, it was dead long before them, and they are the saviors right now, they are the only reason it's still alive.
no it wasnt dead, not even close
i have no issue with you not liking batista but a lies a lie, he was a very good powerhouse in the ring and good on the mic
 

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no it wasnt dead, not even close
i have no issue with you not liking batista but a lies a lie, he was a very good powerhouse in the ring and good on the mic

How wasn't it dead? After the AE the ratings declined and it's been downhill at a slow pace. Culminating in an exponential drop when ROMAN REIGNS started being pushed as FOTC. the real wrestlings fans, not the fans of SEX AND VIOLENCE, remained after the AE. Being selective with your audience isn't a bad thing and filtering the people that don't want to enjoy good wrestling is great.

Despite all the ratings and shit, WWE's still making money, I keep hearing how they broke a record with the revenues every godamn quarter now.
 

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I agree Big Dave, I really do. It's a delicate balancing act, but I just have one question, how is this only a problem NOW? Wrestling isn't a new form of entertainment, it goes back centuries, and it has been consistently popular for decades starting in the 70's all the way to I'll say, 2002 when the dust settled after the InVasion angle fully ended. (Yes WWE was still a Juggernaut past 02 but an end point was needed)

I just want a definitive answer on why it ended. I understand a lull, peaks and valleys etc. but no down point has lasted this long and hurt the entire business this much. I could understand a COUPLE variables breaking things for a bit but it just seems like there are too many variables for the to be a true singular issue here.

- The Benoit situation and everything that came from it
- UFC being a legit form of Sports Entertainment
- "You can't say that on tv!" ie Political Correction
- Bad Writing of potential stars. Or is it, no one has "IT!" anymore. It's gotta be one or the other, right?
- Overexposure, too much content, you've got 7 hours of WWE content a week, not including commercials. Back in the day you had 3 and half between Raw, SD and Heat.
- The "IWC" attitude/mindset of negativity. "Only watchingto complain later." is a big problem I've seen since I stopped watching in '13, fans are unwilling to step away but find very few positives in the product of the last 5 or 6 years. One segment a week shouldn't justify slogging through the muck that is WWE weekly television.
- The self promotional, pat on the back, PHILANTHROPY that's thrust to the forefront at every turn. Pink ropes, bald women, sick kids, make a wish, Be a STAR etc. All of that is fine, but that shouldn't be a feature moment on your shows. WWE and charity isn't new, why are we autofellating now?

Those are several factors and variables I see every time I come on this board. For all the topics on what wrestling could be, too many people ignore what happens outside the bubble (UFC/MMA growth), or the ramifications of when the bubble bursts (Benoit/the unforeseen).

If the MAJORITY of WWE isn't doing it for you, stop punishing yourself by wasting your time on it. We ask why are there no stars, well, from the outside looking in, there are no stars, because there are no stars. If I'm looking at an entertainment based venture, wrestling is the last place I'd look cause as of the last DECADE, not one single bona fide star has emerged from the world of wrestling in over 10 years. That's a fact. There hasn't been a truly celebrated megastar to bridge over to the mainstream since the Attitude era cooled off. Yes WWE can get a spot on a talk show and have the champion answer the same beauty pageant questions the last guy did, but that does dick all for ratings cause your key demo is in bed when Kimmel and Fallon are on.

There are no stars because potential stars don't wanna be there. WWE sucks because of the reasons I listed and more. It's just a viscous cycle that feeds into itself and won't end/can't be broken because society, both wrestling and at large, can't go back to an admittedly simpler pre 9/11 world. Too scared to be edgy and unique, but not smart enough to corse correct.

I'm done rambling.....
 

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How wasn't it dead? After the AE the ratings declined and it's been downhill at a slow pace. Culminating in an exponential drop when ROMAN REIGNS started being pushed as FOTC. the real wrestlings fans, not the fans of SEX AND VIOLENCE, remained after the AE. Being selective with your audience isn't a bad thing and filtering the people that don't want to enjoy good wrestling is great.

Despite all the ratings and shit, WWE's still making money, I keep hearing how they broke a record with the revenues every godamn quarter now.
wrestling was alive and kicking until around 07/08 imo
we wont agree anyways mate
 

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There were (are?) a lot of great personalities in the NFL and NBA, I haven't watched in a few years but I've seen a lot of charisma at post game pressers. Michael Strahan became a morning show host.
Yeah, but even when wrestling was at its peak, very few successful NFL players went into pro graps after their career ended.

If all these cool, charismatic people who would've used to have gone into wrestling after having their athletic careers cut short were no longer doing so, you'd think we'd be seeing more TV hosts or actors or what-have-you from that group.
 

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Yeah, but even when wrestling was at its peak, very few successful NFL players went into pro graps after their career ended.

If all these cool, charismatic people who would've used to have gone into wrestling after having their athletic careers cut short were no longer doing so, you'd think we'd be seeing more TV hosts or actors or what-have-you from that group.
Nowadays the go to job for a career cut short is commentator or analyst for the same sport.
 

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Denying Balor's star potential is utter delusions by some you. He's got it all, and he'll prove it, time will tell.
My answer is the same, you can hate all you, fact of the matter is, we won. The real wrestling fans won. Batista's mediocre talent would never be accepted in this day and age. As proven. It's no longer the 90's so stop living in the past. We want talented all around guys. We don't want no talent only looks guys main eventing in mediocre programs.
Potential is the operative word. He could be a big star, just like Bray Wyatt could have been a big star. And use Bray as an example because he kinda runs parallel to Balor. Both NXT guys who go called up, are supernaturally influenced in gimmick, were super over with live crowds but got hurt at crucial times. The Wyatt Family was just as over as the Shield but look at all 6 men now. Potential doesn't mean shit in WWE.

And don't spew nonsense about no "real wrestling fans" want big guys. That's asinine. Real fans love variety from top to bottom. Presentation is what it comes down to. Angle and Austin aren't giants, Rock and HHH are big guys, Kane, Taker and Big Show are giants. And all of them were champions several times over in the span of 3 years. You gotta get off the workrate horse. Those guys had and some still, have amazing matches. That variety in styles, size and ability is what won the war of the late 90's and don't you forget that.

How wasn't it dead? After the AE the ratings declined and it's been downhill at a slow pace. Culminating in an exponential drop when ROMAN REIGNS started being pushed as FOTC. the real wrestlings fans, not the fans of SEX AND VIOLENCE, remained after the AE. Being selective with your audience isn't a bad thing and filtering the people that don't want to enjoy good wrestling is great.
Of corse the ratings dropped, there was no war, no competition and worst of all it was followed up by the most head-up-my-own-ass victory dance in history, the InVasion angle. A flop from week 3 I believe. I can't speak for the Roman thing, I know he gets booed but so did Cena the other boring run of the mill, nice guy, please like me face.

Again you show ignorance when speaking of 90's wrestling. If 90's wrestling was just, SEX AND VIOLENCE to you then you're a fool. WCW was always a TV PG product. Go back and educate yourself. How many times did promos devolve into cursing contests? How many "sluts" were there in the peak years? How often did guys blade? WCW was a TV PG show plain and simple. In place of blood you had the nWo spraying people, instead of sexy women in panties you had the cruiserweights to wow the crowd with their bodies, and promos were just a lot of tough guy "I'm gonna kick your ass" type of talk usually, until Sting showed up or when someone tried to fight but got ganged by the nWo.

WWF had sex, beer, cursing and blood but it all worked for the key demo of 18 to 34 year old males. That's what the frat boys wanted, that's what they got. But it also made sense not only to the narrative of the show, but to the 90's itself, FUCK YOU! But again go back to the names I mention before, they all were superstars in the mainstream. And not only that, they could wrestle too!
 
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