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Now before you guys start getting upset, I want to make it clear that I love the Shield. Loved it as a concept but it essentially has boxed Ambrose's singles career.

Rollins lucked out and was able to turn Heel when the Shield split and was able to separate himself from the virus of that is Reigns.

Ambrose on the other hand, got straddled with the Sidekick bitch gimmick and now he's going to be the elevation talent once again to get Reigns over.

I genuinely believe that if Ambrose had a singles career by himself he would currently be the guy in the mainevent. But because he's been strapped to this notion of the Shield, he's had to always have this connection to Roman and that's held him down ever since they split. This "brothers in arms" garbage is just an excuse to draw the attention to what creative really cares about - getting Roman over. And it's sad.

From the commentary in this match BARELY mentioning Ambrose to the stop-start pushes he's gotten, it's all been because he's been the "3rd guy" in the Shield.

I love Rollins and I'm glad he broke himself free but I don't think Ambrose will be able to free himself from the shackles of the ebola virus known as Roman Reigns.

And it's a travesty too, because Ambrose outclasses Reigns in every relevant aspect of measuring talent.
 

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Vince deciding he wants Roman to be the face of the company was the worst thing to ever happen to Dean Ambrose...and The Shield. Everything was going swimmingly, then The Shield broke up at the height of its popularity when there was still money to made off of them, and then Dean became a sidekick to his less talented friend. Why? Because Roman Reigns gives the old man a hard on.
 

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Roman should have turned at Survior Series.

Ambrose would be a star in the making right now with Roman's babyface booking. Both of them staying face is what's killing Ambrose.
 

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Your logic would work if Dean hadn't spent the entirety of the rest of 2014 nowhere near Roman, lol :lol They hardly interacted at all after The Shield's split, in fact the first time they even tag teamed together after it was in 2015! Dean was feuding with Seth, Roman was in the title hunt, they had nothing to do with each other. They didn't even start the "brotherhood" thing until after Wrestlemania 31.

I think what really ruined Dean's momentum was forcing him off TV to go film Lockdown. He was the hottest thing in the company at that point, then they ruined it by taking him off TV right when his feud with Seth was at it's peak. He was never the same when he came back, they sorta ruined his character (I still love him no matter what though). Plus that horrendous Bray Wyatt feud didn't help either.
 

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Imagine the possibilities if Vince hadn't flushed away everything the company had built up in the Shield. They could have brought the Bullet Club in, built them up as a real threat invading WWE, much like they originally did with The Shield. Then could have turned Balor and made him their leader, or put AJ in the group.

Who is gonna stop these aholes? How bout the Hounds of Justice?
 

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Your logic would work if Dean hadn't spent the entirety of the rest of 2014 nowhere near Roman, lol :lol They hardly interacted at all after The Shield's split, in fact the first time they even tag teamed together after it was in 2015! Dean was feuding with Seth, Roman was in the title hunt, they had nothing to do with each other. They didn't even start the "brotherhood" thing until after Wrestlemania 31.

I think what really ruined Dean's momentum was forcing him off TV to go film Lockdown. He was the hottest thing in the company at that point, then they ruined it by taking him off TV right when his feud with Seth was at it's peak. He was never the same when he came back, they sorta ruined his character (I still love him no matter what though). Plus that horrendous Bray Wyatt feud didn't help either.
I don't know about that.

Dean was the hottest thing in wrestling when Reigns was out for his hernia from his amazing cardio work. And as soon as he comes back, the Little Buddy got sent back to feuding for the US/IC belt.

It's a travesty because I genuinely don't think Dean's going to be holding the WWE Championship in the next 4-5 years with Zayn, Balor, Rollins, Reigns, Owens, Wyatt all higher on the pecking order. For the last 2-3 years, Ambrose has gotten the short end of the stick, and it sucks, because I don't think it'll change.
 

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Vince deciding he wants Roman to be the face of the company was the worst thing to ever happen to Dean Ambrose...and The Shield. Everything was going swimmingly, then The Shield broke up at the height of its popularity when there was still money to made off of them, and then Dean became a sidekick to his less talented friend. Why? Because Roman Reigns gives the old man a hard on.
As disturbing as that mental image is, I gotta say I'm liking your posts the more and more I read them. So thumbs up to you.
 

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What did Dean Ambrose get out of the Shield?

Was he made to look like the star? Nope.

Was he the breakout heel? Nope.

Was he treated to be as relevant as the other two? Nope.

He was the guy that got the shaft and I think his identity is going to be the permanent midcard elevation talent which sucks because he's so damn talented.
 

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What's funny is Dean is the guy everyone saw the most potential in when The Shield was around. Nobody really saw anything in Roman, but everyone predicated he'd do okay because they knew about Vince's fetish for big guys and good looking people. Rollins is the guy people worried the most about, because they didn't think he had Dean's charisma or Roman's look

Fast forward, and Ambrose has kind of become the weakest link of that group. And Roman got farther than anyone expected and Rollins became a champion

I guess it's proof of how backwards everything is in WWE
 

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Bang fucking on.

Ambrose has all the tools to be a star, but is absolutely hindered by being tied to the cancerous tumor known as Roman Reigns. WWE has him playing second fiddle to Reigns, which is ridiculous considering that Ambrose does outclass Reigns in all aspects of the game. Mic skills, charisma, in ring ability (Reigns has admittedly gotten better in the ring, but is still nowhere near the more talented members of the roster).

The only Shield member who looks like he's going to pan out the way he's supposed to is Seth. He's solidified as a main eventer, he's proven he can play a credible heel, he's delivered on big stages, and it's pretty much a guarantee that he's going to have a highly successful face run when he gets back. Dean could have been in a similar situation to Rollins, had Creative pulled the trigger. Instead, he's floundered in the midcard as Romans "little buddy", despite being the better worker. He's made the most of the feuds he's had, but that can only go so far when you're A) Playing second fiddle B) Given no mic time C) Given no story to work with, except stories in which he plays Reigns backup.

If the WrestleMania title match is to be salvaged, Dean has to win at Fastlane. Reigns winning the title at WrestleMania will result is a louder chorus of Boos than we've heard directed at Reigns so far.

Sigh...I'm getting myself worked up just typing this out. I'm just so sick and tired of being force fed this Roman Reigns shit. He's established himself as a main eventer. He had his fucking moment on RAW. He doesn't need another one.
 

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The weakest link? Despite his booking he's the most consistent of the 3. He's had less focus than the other two and still managed to be the go to guy for Roman to feed off of. He's essentially in a safe spot. Just because he'll be the last to become Champion doesn't take anything away from him being the best all around guy from the group. Yeah Rollins is the flashy guy that can go, Reigns is the guy that turns heads when he walks in a room, but Ambrose was and still is the most complete player that's happened to have hit glass ceiling he isn't even aloud to break.

He might not be seen as the guy that can carry the company, but he's accomplished more with far less than the others. I'm not trying to take away from what Rollins or Reigns has accomplished, but it's far too obvious he has yet to even get his fair shake.
 

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WWE's inability to push more than one babyface is the worst thing to happen to Dean Ambrose.

I truly believe WWE does value him, but not more than Reigns. So his success will always be slightly lower to whatever Reigns is doing.

I still have hope though. He'll always remain somewhat over and it's easy to give a talent like that momentum. If he's at the right place, at the right time (maybe if Reigns is out with injury or some shit), I'm sure they'll have to push him more eventually.
 

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The weakest link? Despite his booking he's the most consistent of the 3. He's had less focus than the other two and still managed to be the go to guy for Roman to feed off of. He's essentially in a safe spot. Just because he'll be the last to become Champion doesn't take anything away from him being the best all around guy from the group. Yeah Rollins is the flashy guy that can go, Reigns is the guy that turns heads when he walks in a room, but Ambrose was and still is the most complete player that's happened to have hit glass ceiling he isn't even aloud to break.

He might not be seen as the guy that can carry the company, but he's accomplished more with far less than the others. I'm not trying to take away from what Rollins or Reigns has accomplished, but it's far too obvious he has yet to even get his fair shake.
He's lost the majority of the feuds he's been in.

He's won 2 midcard titles that mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

He gets the least screen time.

He's the guy that "always comes up short"

Tell me what he's accomplished that can make me be hopeful of the future.
 

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Without The Shield I don't think Ambrose gets a fair shake in WWE.

After the Foley angle went sour he was just floating around and it's debatable as to whether or not he ever would have been called up at all.

I can't remember exactly but didn't punk say he requested Rollins, Ambrose and Chris Hero? They offered him Big E instead of Hero and then decided to go for Reigns last minute?

That is the story I vaguely remember. If so, Ambrose owes a debt of gratitude to Punk. I could easily have seen him as part of 'The Social Outcasts' had he not been in The Shield.

Simply because Vince and co are fucking idiots and someone like Ambrose isn't even on their radar most of the time.
 

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He was Great as the spokesman and he should have been the Leader.

But even back then the WWE kept pushing Roman as the Leader. Even if he couldn't speak. :booklel

Vince: :woolcock :flip :woolcock :flip
 
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Part of the problem too is the company's obsession with kids. Ambrose has this sort of James Dean vibe to him, and WWE would rather push the guy who looks like Thor from the Marvel movies

Look kids. He's a super hero. Just look at his muscles. Super heroes have big muscles, not like that skinny Ambrose guy

Look kids. Don't you just love all of Cena's bright colors and juvenile poop jokes? Not like that Daniel Bryan guy with his boring, regular wrestling gear that makes him NOT look like a 12 year old and his jokes that adults might actually like.

It's superstars for kids now and days, not like the Attitude Era where there was absolutely nothing about The Rock or Austin that was aimed at kids.
 

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On the other hand, Renee is the best possible thing to happen to Dean, so it was worth it. :jericho2
 

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He's lost the majority of the feuds he's been in.

He's won 2 midcard titles that mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

He gets the least screen time.

He's the guy that "always comes up short"

Tell me what he's accomplished that can make me be hopeful of the future.
While some of this is littered with opinion, in spite of all of these points, he still remains one of the most over talents in the company. Even with a fraction of the screen time Roman gets he manages to get cheers from both casual fans and smarks. Even after losing most of his feuds, people still get behind him. Not to mention that he's been doing this as a babyface. Anyone who was a fan of Jon Moxley or even the FCW version of Ambrose knows he's a natural heel. All of this is almost a bonus. Even on Jericho's podcast he mentioned how he never thought he'd be the good guy.

And to be quite honest, I'd much rather him win the two midcard titles that "mean absolutely nothing" before getting the World Title. It's the natural progression a true star is suppose to make.
 

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Damn, Dean is about to main event another PPV. This dude can't catch a break.

I believe the shield was the best thing to happen to all 3 guys. As it saved them from the piss poor booking that comes with debuting new talent. They got to stay strong as a unit, and since separating at least one member of the shield has been in the main event 90 percent of the time. If anything, Dean is always connected to the main event scene because the WWE clearly values all things shield. NO ONE NEW broke the main event scene besides these guys. look for yourself

2014
Payback: The Shield (Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns) vs. Evolution (Triple H, Randy Orton and Batista)
Money in the Bank: Cena vs. Alberto Del Rio vs. Bray Wyatt vs. Cesaro vs. Kane vs. Randy Orton vs. Roman Reigns vs. Sheamus. Seth wins MITB
Battleground: John Cena vs. Randy Orton vs. Kane vs. Roman Reigns
SummerSlam: John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar
Night of Champions: Brock Lesnar vs. John Cena
Hell in a Cell: Seth Rollins vs. Dean Ambrose
Survivor Series: Team Cena (John Cena, Dolph Ziggler, Big Show, Ryback and Erick Rowan) vs. The Authority (Seth Rollins, Kane, Mark Henry, Rusev and Luke Harper)
TLC: Tables, Ladders, Chairs... and Stairs: Dean Ambrose vs. Bray Wyatt

2015
Royal Rumble: (Seth in the Championship match, Dean and Roman in the final 4 in the rumble)
Fastlane: Roman Reigns vs. Daniel Bryan
WrestleMania 31: Brock Lesnar vs. Roman Reigns vs. Seth Rollins
Extreme Rules: Seth Rollins vs. Randy Orton
Payback: Seth Rollins vs. Roman Reigns vs. Randy Orton vs. Dean Ambrose
Elimination Chamber: Seth Rollins vs. Dean Ambrose
Money in the Bank: Seth Rollins vs. Dean Ambrose
Battleground: Seth Rollins vs. Brock Lesnar
SummerSlam: The Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar Seth in the championship match
Night of Champions: Seth Rollins vs. Sting
Hell in a Cell: Brock Lesnar vs. The Undertaker Seth in the title match.
Survivor Series: Roman Reigns vs. Dean Ambrose
TLC: Tables, Ladders and Chairs TD Garden Boston, MA Sheamus vs. Roman Reigns

2016
Royal Rumble: Dean and Roman the final 3 in the rumble
Fastlane: Roman Reigns vs. Dean Ambrose vs. Brock Lesnar
 
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