[2K JAY]

Is by far the most annoying thing on the IWC these days.

In wrestling, everyone is handed everything. Wrestling is not real. In real life, you go out there and you put on a show. That's all it is, a show. The title belts are nothing but props. In real life, you're not the champion of anything. You don't "win" the belt, you are GIVEN the belt -- it's a storyline. So why Sheamus and Del Rio are exceptions to the rule is beyond me.

These two guys were heavily established before coming to WWE. People heard of them, they built a reputation as good wrestlers, they're not new to this. Just because they were given the promotion early doesn't mean they're bad. They're 2 of the best wrestlers in WWE and you can't deny that. I guess I'm just sick of people bringing up the old workout buddy excuse when in wrestling, you have to make friends with pretty much everyone backstage and it's not like they don't deserve it based on talent.

So Triple H likes Sheamus, big deal. I'm sure Vince McMahon liked plenty of guys in his time, does that mean they shouldn't have been pushed? I fail to see the logic. As a wrestling fan, I appreciate everyone who can go out there and have a great match. Maybe you should start watching wrestling as a TV show and stop acting like you know everything cause the fact is, you don't. Unless you stepped into the business, you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[SheamusO'Shaunessy]

Maybe you should start watching wrestling as a TV show

Too long; Didn't read version.

 

[JoseDRiveraTCR7]

I just think they're overpushed. Sue me.

 

[KidCharlamagne]

Sorry for growing up in an era where title reigns were the result of a push, rather than guys given titles AS a push.

 

[2K JAY]

Sorry for growing up in an era where title reigns were the result of a push, rather than guys given titles AS a push.

Thank Money in the Bank for that.

Besides, Sheamus is over and the people who say Del Rio is not over clearly need to adjust the volume on their TV set. I'd say a job well done to WWE.

 

[KidCharlamagne]

Only top em about 5 years to develop a new star.

 

[samizayn]

Of course everyone is handed everything, but people use the term when what's handed to them is not warranted.

How it should be: Wrestler debuts > wrestler gets over > management notices > wrestler is pushed

How it often is: Wrestler debuts > management falls in love with wrestler for whatever reason > wrestler is pushed.

And very often when it happens like the second example, they don't rise to the occasion of what they've been given.

These two guys were heavily established before coming to WWE

No one is "heavily established" before coming to WWE.

 

[RDClip]

Just compare their first years to anyone else's (not named Brock lesnar) first year. That's why they were and are handed everything.

 

[El Dandy]

Awful thread.

Would not recommend or read again.

 

[Killmonger]

I don't know what you're talking about.

I didn't know who the hell Sheamus was before he debuted and the fans obviously didn't either.

Hell, he won the WWE championship before most fans knew who he was.

 

[Brodus Clay]

I'm an ADR fan and I'm okay with him being mocked for being pushed because Vince do it for the Mexican market and ADR antics/politics of leave WWE if he doesn't get a push, isn't a big deal for him and is just here on the internet, theres nothing wrong with people hating on him for that.

Sheamus being a workout buddy accusation must be annoying for a Sheamus fan because it sounds kinda gay xD.

 

[2K JAY]

No one is "heavily established" before coming to WWE.

Sounds like something a blind WWE mark would say. In the wrestling world, people knew who Dos Caras Jr and SOS were. Maybe you didn't, but that doesn't mean they hadn't got hype and nobody were talking about them.

And no such thing as established before coming to WWE? :lmao AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Bryan Danielson, CM Punk, Austin Aries, Robert Roode, Jushin Liger, Mitsuharu Misawa, Kenta Kobashi, Nigel McGuiness, I could go on and on. You're telling me those guys aren't big names in the wrestling world? People were calling Daniel Bryan the best in the world in 2006. You look at any wrestling magazine on the shelf and you'll see all those guys in there. The only people who say these guys are nothing are WWE marks who are stuck on VKM's Kool-Aid.

 

[RDClip]

Sounds like something a blind WWE mark would say. In the wrestling world, people knew who Dos Caras Jr and SOS were. Maybe you didn't, but that doesn't mean they hadn't got hype and nobody were talking about them.

And no such thing as established before coming to WWE? :lmao AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Bryan Danielson, CM Punk, Austin Aries, Robert Roode, Jushin Liger, Mitsuharu Misawa, Kenta Kobashi, Nigel McGuiness, I could go on and on. You're telling me those guys aren't big names in the wrestling world? People were calling Daniel Bryan the best in the world in 2006. You look at any wrestling magazine on the shelf and you'll see all those guys in there. The only people who say these guys are nothing are WWE marks who are stuck on VKM's Kool-Aid.

Your arguement kinda falls apart when Mistico (apparenly the biggest star in Mexico and bigger than del rio) has not had any major feuds or any titles yet.

 

[Brodus Clay]

Your arguement kinda falls apart when Mistico (apparenly the biggest star in Mexico and bigger than del rio) has not had any major feuds or any titles yet.

Is because he can't even talk english, if he could cut promos and work WWE wrestling style he would be pushed non-stop.

 

[KO Bossy]

Isn't that cute, the OP think people give a fuck about Del Rio.

Next, he's probably going to start bringing up how when Ricardo gets booed when he's introduced, its actually the audience booing Del Rio because he's such a monster heat magnet (when in reality Ricardo is booed because the fans love hating him and when Del Rio comes out, I can hear flies fucking in arena rafters, its so quiet...and yeah, I have my TV turned up).

Just face facts, man. Both guys got pushed way too soon. Now instead of having a storied journey in the WWE, where you spend months building up the next major obstacle they have to work towards that helps span their career and make it seem meaningful, they've been booked to win everything within their first 2 and 3 years respectively. They've basically done it all already. What else is there to work towards? Why are they still even wrestling? When you've accomplished everything in one career, its time to move on. They're done, goodbye, see ya.

Not to mention that they've 'benefited' from the Fed's ass backwards booking policy of giving the guy major accomplishments and title wins to GET him over with the fans, as opposed to having the guy work to get over, earn it and have it given as a reward...you know, to make all they've done and the accomplishment itself mean something as opposed to the...nothing...it means with ADR and Sheamus.

 

[SPCDRI]

Sheamus was ECW champ and WWE champ within 3 months of going on RAW. Top champ in the blink of an eye. ADR really has been given everything.

You need to be over and then you get the belt that is appropriate to your overness. This is why championships don't mean anything, by the way. It isn't the destination, it is the journey. I could have Derrick Bateman be WWE champ in 2 months and it wouldn't mean a thing. It wouldn't make him over. He wouldn't be over because I gave him a prop in a rigged "sport."

 

[Brye]

I don't like Sheamus, I don't like his character. I never felt that in the WWE he had done anything worthy of being made champion multiple times.

Same thing with Del Rio. Neither guy impressed me at all and they got big pushes so I don't see why people can't be vocal about that as long as it's not in a childish manner.

Sheamus was ECW champ and WWE champ within 3 months of going on RAW. Top champ in the blink of an eye. ADR really has been given everything.

You need to be over and then you get the belt that is appropriate to your overness. This is why championships don't mean anything, by the way. It isn't the destination, it is the journey. I could have Derrick Bateman be WWE champ in 2 months and it wouldn't mean a thing. It wouldn't make him over. He wouldn't be over because I gave him a prop in a rigged "sport."

He never won the ECW title. :/

But I agree with most of your points to an extent, but I think the fans care about who is champion quite a bit.

 

[JoseDRiveraTCR7]

ADR is not over. It has nothing to do with our volume.

 

[2K JAY]

Your arguement kinda falls apart when Mistico (apparenly the biggest star in Mexico and bigger than del rio) has not had any major feuds or any titles yet.

That's because he got injured and suspended within 1 year, and they don't trust him enough yet. And Sin Cara ***** vs Sin Cara was a good feud.

Isn't that cute, the OP think people give a fuck about Del Rio.

Next, he's probably going to start bringing up how when Ricardo gets booed when he's introduced, its actually the audience booing Del Rio because he's such a monster heat magnet (when in reality Ricardo is booed because the fans love hating him and when Del Rio comes out, I can hear flies fucking in arena rafters, its so quiet...and yeah, I have my TV turned up).

Um, yeah they do. Ricardo gets booed because he's about to introduce Del Rio to the building. He's associated with Del Rio, that's why he gets booed. And people shouldn't "love" to boo you, they should legitimately hate you. That's your job. You honestly didn't hear the crowd chanting "SI SI SI" and "CULERO" at Del Rio? You need your ears syringed.

Just face facts, man. Both guys got pushed way too soon. Now instead of having a storied journey in the WWE, where you spend months building up the next major obstacle they have to work towards that helps span their career and make it seem meaningful, they've been booked to win everything within their first 2 and 3 years respectively. They've basically done it all already. What else is there to work towards? Why are they still even wrestling? When you've accomplished everything in one career, its time to move on. They're done, goodbye, see ya.

fpalm This isn't a real sport. Del Rio "winning" the WWE title was a storyline. Sheamus winning the Royal Rumble and beating Bryan in 18 seconds was a storyline. I don't know how many times I can stretch this. You say they accomplished something like they won something. They're big stars in WWE, they get paid a lot of money, thats the real accomplishment.

Not to mention that they've 'benefited' from the Fed's ass backwards booking policy of giving the guy major accomplishments and title wins to GET him over with the fans, as opposed to having the guy work to get over, earn it and have it given as a reward...you know, to make all they've done and the accomplishment itself mean something as opposed to the...nothing...it means with ADR and Sheamus.

The only time this backfired was with Jack Swagger and thats because WWE gave up on him after the title win. You talk like Del Rio and Sheamus look out of place on the title listings. Guess what? They don't. Not anymore, because they're two of the biggest stars in WWE. That's a fact you're just gonna have to deal with, my friend.

 

[Jammy]

Yeah, they sure paid their dues hanging around in the mid-card for many years....Oh wait.

All I know is that this feud is beyond terrible.