[mattheel]

Well, Seth talked about Becky and the storyline on a podcast. Basically, if him and Becky are not comfortable about what they are given, then they are not doing it. Plus, from what he talked about, seems like a collaborative effort on both him and Becky.

And WF is just a horrific toxic hole, I just come to the Fan forums every once in a while.

Yeah. Basically said that when the E first pitched using the relationship in story, he and Becky brainstormed some scenarios and arrived at something they actually thought could be pretty cool to do, and that appears to be the whole role reversal part of it. He mentioned that when they were approached about an angle they were both apprehensive about how women have been portrayed in romantic angles. So I guess that’s really where the heavy emphasis on empowering Becky in the relationship comes from...and apparently Seth is really high on that part of the angle and seems to be really proud of her coming to save him and the reaction she received

As for the rest of the podcast, Seth is getting a ton of heat for his comments on Ambrose in particular. When it comes down to it, I hated his “took his ball and went home” comment. That just seems like a pretty clear mischaracterization of the Ambrose situation and was certainly not going to endear Seth to a lot of people.

But outside of that, a ton of the hate Seth is getting is also not fair. He made some comments that I think made sense given his position, and then he made other comments that seemed downright correct about how the company is portrayed. And he was also adamant about the live and respect he has for Mox. But one thing I think being missed is that it is undeniable that those comments were made out of genuine, earnest passion for the work that he and his peers do. The dude obviously cares about what he does and he is going to defend it. We can disagree with a lot of what he says about the overall state of the product, but I feel like everyone at least should respect his genuine passion and sensitivity about what he loves to do.

Unfortunately, that gets lost when you only read a minority of the Ambrose comments in quote form.

 

[97 HBK]

Yeah. Basically said that when the E first pitched using the relationship in story, he and Becky brainstormed some scenarios and arrived at something they actually thought could be pretty cool to do, and that appears to be the whole role reversal part of it. He mentioned that when they were approached about an angle they were both apprehensive about how women have been portrayed in romantic angles. So I guess that’s really where the heavy emphasis on empowering Becky in the relationship comes from...and apparently Seth is really high on that part of the angle and seems to be really proud of her coming to save him and the reaction she received

As for the rest of the podcast, Seth is getting a ton of heat for his comments on Ambrose in particular. When it comes down to it, I hated his “took his ball and went home” comment. That just seems like a pretty clear mischaracterization of the Ambrose situation and was certainly not going to endear Seth to a lot of people.

But outside of that, a ton of the hate Seth is getting is also not fair. He made some comments that I think made sense given his position, and then he made other comments that seemed downright correct about how the company is portrayed. And he was also adamant about the live and respect he has for Mox. But one thing I think being missed is that it is undeniable that those comments were made out of genuine, earnest passion for the work that he and his peers do. The dude obviously cares about what he does and he is going to defend it. We can disagree with a lot of what he says about the overall state of the product, but I feel like everyone at least should respect his genuine passion and sensitivity about what he loves to do.

Unfortunately, that gets lost when you only read a minority of the Ambrose comments in quote form.

Since Cena has left, it's weird, but WWE hasn't had a leader from a talent perspective; especially as a vocal leader. I haven't agreed with everything Seth has said over the past couple of days, but WWE from a talent perspective DOES need not only a leader, but a leader who's not afraid to speak up.

The thing I like about it most is that the dweebs who are so easily worked that think the characters that these guys portray on TV is who they really are in real life. Before the stuff with the chair on Raw, Seth was pretty much a white-meat babyface like all WWE babyfaces are these days. Yet, that's not the 'Seth' you're getting in interviews these days, and I love that. I've seen a few people now refer to him as 'the modern day HBK' because he has a big mouth and confidence, and I fucking love that.

Also, since Cena has left, it seems the company from a talent standpoint and being a leader, that the company has been soulless in that respect for whatever reason. Even if I don't agree with every last thing he has said, it's about time WWE has found someone with a set of balls that isn't afraid to speak their mind. Good on him.

 

[tducey]

Wish they'd move on from Corbin as the #1 contender though. I do like Corbin but time to give Rollins a fresher title feud.

 

[mattheel]

Since Cena has left, it's weird, but WWE hasn't had a leader from a talent perspective; especially as a vocal leader. I haven't agreed with everything Seth has said over the past couple of days, but WWE from a talent perspective DOES need not only a leader, but a leader who's not afraid to speak up.

The thing I like about it most is that the dweebs who are so easily worked that think the characters that these guys portray on TV is who they really are in real life. Before the stuff with the chair on Raw, Seth was pretty much a white-meat babyface like all WWE babyfaces are these days. Yet, that's not the 'Seth' you're getting in interviews these days, and I love that. I've seen a few people now refer to him as 'the modern day HBK' because he has a big mouth and confidence, and I fucking love that.

Also, since Cena has left, it seems the company from a talent standpoint and being a leader, that the company has been soulless in that respect for whatever reason. Even if I don't agree with every last thing he has said, it's about time WWE has found someone with a set of balls that isn't afraid to speak their mind. Good on him.

Exactly.

And that’s the main thing I’ve taken from all of the Seth stuff since early yesterday. I might not agree with it all, but the dude is out there challenging a very vocal segment of the fan base directly head on and is not backing down. And he’s not alone in these sentiments. I’ve heard them voices often by others, albeit less voraciously.

And he’s caught a ton of heat from a lot of the “IWC” so to speak and he’s only dug his heels in. I appreciate and respect that. And not only is he seemingly leaning into the leadership role, seems like he’s making a grab at that FOTC babyface spot that seems somewhat familiar. John Cena was the onscreen top fave but was a de facto heel to the mythical IWC and he would absolutely play up that dynamic. Same goes for Roman. Now it seems that Seth is taken on that top babyface role who is also going to heavily criticize the fans that criticize. It’s a bit of a different dynamic here tho bc Seth has been mostly accepted and cheered by both casuals and hardcores alike.

I for one and somewhat fascinated by his antics the last day or so.

 

[Asuka842]

I like Seth, but he didn't do himself any favors with those Moxley comments. I think there are two main issues with what he said:

1. It's just inaccurate. The whole "he took his ball and went home," and I'll come back to this line in a minute, makes it seem like Ambrose just quit, but he didn't. He finished out his contract, he didn't walk out, he simply just didn't sign a new one because he saw other opportunities. Most jobs are like that. Plus he put a bunch of people over on the way out as well. He fulfilled his commitments to WWE in full. Also insinuating that he didn't work hard enough. Everyone knows what a workhorse Dean was in WWE, and he spent YEARS training, pitching ideas, going to Vince in person to talk to him, working with writers to try and make things work, and even trying to make stuff that they gave him to do work even though he thought it was dumb. Ambrose did everything that people say that you're supposed to do, and he didn't think it was getting him anywhere, it's that simple. It sounds like Seth didn't even listen to the whole podcast honestly.

Oh and Becky, his own GF, has openly taken shots at how stupid her booking has been this year. I mean she just did it again a few weeks ago.

2. It might help Seth's argument more if it didn't sound to many like he was reading from the exact same script that Vince and co have given their stars to read from in such situations for decades. Seriously there's so much "I've heard this all before" here that I have little doubt that it came form Vince and his cronies. For example, that "take your ball and go home" line is one that I've heard so much from people connected to WWE over the years, that it's obviously a line that Vince and co feed their performers to say.

Also it's kind of disappointing since Moxley went out of his way to put over his Shield brothers in his interviews. He didn't blame them for anything.

 

[patpat]

What is seth doing ?

 

[Asuka842]

As for the Becky stuff, from what I've observed, most people like them as a couple. I constantly hear about how "cute" people find them or how "compatible" they sem. What people are more iffy about is their romance being a huge part of the show. Because:

-A lot of people felt like they were doing fine without it.
-WWE doesn't have a great track record recently of writing romance angles well.

 

[97 HBK]

Ok, this is the Seth we need on TV every week. Just sonned the fuck out of Osperay:



Turn him heel and let him write his own promos if they're gonna be like this. (He has no personality though according to some of the 'experts' here!11!!)

 

[Mox Girl]

I really didn't like Seth's comments about Mox. It was weirdly worded cos in one sentence he was praising him saying how he gave his heart and soul to WWE, then he turned right around and made the "took his ball and went home" comment. He went from complimenting him to throwing him right under the bus. It's very strange.

 

[Asuka842]

Combined with his comments about Ospreay, perhaps he's having a bad week simply. Like maybe the PPV, and Raw, having such low numbers got to him, IDK?

 

[97 HBK]

Combined with his comments about Ospreay, perhaps he's having a bad week simply. Like maybe the PPV, and Raw, having such low numbers got to him, IDK?

While I don't agree with everything he said, if he's gonna be more outspoken, I'm all for it. He's still the most over guy on the show and that ain't changing. When people are doing well in life, they don't like it when those people shit on others. But I'm glad he doesn't care. It's about time someone in that soulless company shows some passion for the first time in years. Everyone else just seems like they show up, clock in, go through the motions, clock out, collect their paycheck and go home. That's how it's felt for years now within WWE. It's sad and pathetic from a once great company.

 

[mattheel]

Combined with his comments about Ospreay, perhaps he's having a bad week simply. Like maybe the PPV, and Raw, having such low numbers got to him, IDK?

Yeah, I definitely get that feeling. And while im sure the numbers dont brighten his mood, I tend to take him at his word that it mostly has to do with the constant barrage of negativity that WWE and, more commonly, the wrestlers themselves get.

Listen, im not even saying a bulk of the criticism isnt warranted. A loooooot of it is. But I kinda look at it from his perspective, bc fuck it...im an empath. If I was travelling almost non-stop for 300+ days, basically putting every thing I have into this, often times quite literally because the business is hard on the body, while also seeing all of my friends and colleagues doing the same...sure, id be probably fed up with the sheer toxicity and negativity being constantly leveled at you. Like...every single day these guys and girls get it. And I think we can all be honest abt wrestling fans. Most are respectful and are likewise respectful with their criticisms. unfortunately, however, another sizable segment is, at times, shockingly inappropriate and just cancerous in their negativity. Just go look at comments under the wrestlers tweets or posts on ig. I know id have a hard time just ignoring that year after year after year.

So yeah, I think he's very frustrated with the narrative surrounding something that theyve worked so hard for. Im sure that Seth is not the only one in the locker room who feels this way, he's just clearly picked up the flag for the company and is going to defend it. I actually can appreciate that. And yeah, I think hes clearly in defense mode and thats probably why he was in no apparent mood for light banter with Ospreay. Do I like everything he has said in these efforts, absolutely not. But I understand them.

 

[Dangerous Nemesis]

Man, Rollins sure is getting a lot of threads. The certainly are a good read, especially the one about Moxley.

 

[Cheetara86]

I do agree that he could have worded it differently but I see like this:

- Him and the roster have worked their asses off day in day out. But, still get all this criticism.
- people bring up his personal past.
- make fun of His leaked photos even though it’s consider revenge porn.
- make fun of his dick size
- call out his wrestling ability and call him overrated
- said he is the reason WWE ratings are in the toilet.

It’s a lot man.

 

[Mox Girl]

I do agree that he could have worded it differently but I see like this:

- Him and the roster have worked their asses off day in day out. But, still get all this criticism.
- people bring up his personal past.
- make fun of His leaked photos even though it’s consider revenge porn.
- make fun of his dick size
- call out his wrestling ability and call him overrated
- said he is the reason WWE ratings are in the toilet.

It’s a lot man.

There was still literally no reason for him to throw Mox of all people under the bus though, it's so weird. I thought they were supposed to be friends, Seth literally said only a few weeks ago that he loved Mox and they'd always be brothers, now he says he "took his ball and went home" and basically that he couldn't hack it in WWE. Talk about contradicting yourself.

I'm still supporting Seth and I'll always be a fan of his, I just wasn't too happy about what he said. Seth's been saying a lot of weird stuff lately, it does make me wonder if he's not coping with all that's going on or something.

 

[kingnoth1n]

I just took a step back and really noticed how fucking crazy the Rollins dogpile has gotten on this forum, haven't seen this much heat in a while. Time to turn heel.

 

[Jeff Rollins]

He does seem to have sort of snapped slightly, as others have said I agree with most of what he said. WWE is getting a lot of criticism and he is just sticking up for the company that he and his friends work for to be honest it makes a change to read someone saying something even slightly positive.

As for this place it has become nothing more than toxic, everyday there 3-4 threads with the same people saying the same crap and it's just boring, you cant have a discussion about anything anymore with someone turning it into have a go at Seth. I cant even be bothered to read the other boards.

Wrestling is meant to be a bit of fun that you can just watch and not have to think about so that's what I'm going to do, not that I've posted much lately but other than this thread I think I'm done

 

[Cheetara86]

There was still literally no reason for him to throw Mox of all people under the bus though, it's so weird. I thought they were supposed to be friends, Seth literally said only a few weeks ago that he loved Mox and they'd always be brothers, now he says he "took his ball and went home" and basically that he couldn't hack it in WWE. Talk about contradicting yourself.

I'm still supporting Seth and I'll always be a fan of his, I just wasn't too happy about what he said. Seth's been saying a lot of weird stuff lately, it does make me wonder if he's not coping with all that's going on or something.

I don’t really agree with how he said it, but I always saw it like:

They have two very different perspectives in life. WWE has been Rollins dream since he was a baby. Jon is fine wherever he goes as long as he has freedom to be himself. You can even listen to Mox when he talked about how it took Seth a whole to understand why Jon would want to leave. He really seemed frustrated and hurt, that Jon would leave and in his eyes shit on the company. Now, he also said he loved, supported Jon, and hope for all the success in the world for him. And that he also has been keeping tabs on him.

He should have maybe phrased it a whole lot better, but for some fans to think he just outright backstabbed Moxley is just too much. I don’t even think Mox cares, and Seth already probably talked with Renee or whomever about it.

And yeah, Wrestling forum threads have been horrific for a while. All the shit they spew about Becky, Seth, Kofi, Bayley is just overboard and makes this place ugly to even come too.

 

[Asuka842]

I'm a fan of the guy, and no the ratings/attendance problems are not his fault. But he really isn't doing himself any favors with these comments, especially the Moxley ones. Even people I know who really like him are saying "he needs to tone it down a lot, it's not helping."

It doesn't help that his responses seem, disproportional to what the others originally said as well.

 

[Switchblade Club]

Seriously what's with all his comments lately ?

Immature and embarrassing.