I hope the storyline with Bray is over. No rematch. Seth taking a hiatus and then turning heel just like Finn?

 

This stupid red lighting shit ruins everything lol.
Also let's see how long fans stay on the Bray bandwagon once he keeps no selling for their faves too.

 

I consider myself a fan of both. If I take any bias out of it, I look at it like this. WWE have stripped away any kind of edge from Seth, and Bray Wyatt has reinvented himself into one of the most interesting characters in wrestling in a long time.

They didn't have to book this feud. Hell, I probably wouldn't have done it myself. But if you're going to do it, Bray has to win, because he's the hot thing going. And even as a fan of Seth, I don't want to see him as champion when booking wise he's worse than he's been in a long time.

And yes, it's wrestling, fans get sick of anything after awhile. But keeping the title on Seth at this point does no good for him. He honestly felt trapped as champion. I don't know if he will change character wise at all, but he has to.

 

Looks like the Seth haters got what they wanted. They should STFU about him now and leave him alone, but I bet they won’t.

It’s awful of me but I really hope Bray flops as champ, I don’t like him and I think he’s been the consistent factor in the bad feuds with all of my favourites, including Seth.

I knew the moment the feud began that it would be awful and Seth wouldn’t come out of it looking good, and I was right. Let’s hope they can find something else for him to do far far away from Bray.

 

Wouldn’t be surprised if they have another match at Survivor Series so Seth can bring the title back to RAW. Could be a match stipulation like LMS or a Cage where they can get around having Bray eat a pin.

Not every match should be a triple threat between the brands. Brock vs Cole sounds like a better match to me than adding another guy to the mix that no sells everything. Same thing with the women. I’d much rather see a feud between just Bayley & Becky and then let Shayna face Charlotte.

 

Yeah, before this feud even started and when Bray was already hot, I thought they might save this feud for WM and have Bray win there. But, this is fine, as well. At least the people who all focus on the Champion and put it all on the Champion (including the drawing) will now be on someone else. I'm fine with that.

Also, I'm not one of those fans who think a heel turn is the solution to everyone and everything. But in this particular circumstance, I would welcome one. In this situation, there is sooooo much material there for them to work with with Seth as a heel thanks to these last few months. Would be SO easy to book. He's also been a face now for alittle bit over 3 years, which is crazy to think. For his single's run, he's now been a face longer than he was a heel, which is crazy to think. I think he'll turn in the next year, hopefully quicker.

 

Long time, no speak.

Pretty sad to see this thread has died down a bit since the last time I was a regular, but it was to be expected. It seems like every guy on top eventually gets hated at some point in this era. Either that or their popularity just simmers down, I can't remember the last time someone was Champion for a long time and didn't face some sort of backlash. What the fans want can change in a instant, and often times they don't even know what it is they actually want. I haven't watched WWE properly in like 6 months I think, I've watched the odd clip here and there, I watched a bit of SD's debut on FOX but nothing really stood out to me. It was pretty disappointing to see the reactions for Seth last time I watched from the crowd, but a part of me always saw it coming.

I remember when everyone thought Wyatt was a joke, and now they're all over the Fiend. It's all about building a character and being consistent, past Wyatt would have been a joke in this scenario but it looks like they've done a genuinely good job on making the Fiend something fresh. Let's see if it sticks but it wouldn't surprise me if the fans turn on him eventually too, they really don't know what they want anymore. Nobody does. I definitely would come back for a Seth heel turn. It's about the right time, his popularity has decreased and it would give him a new edge again. I always thought Seth was a massively underrated Heel. He got good heat, he was legitimately detestable and it just worked.

I thought it was dumb when people were calling for a heel turn when Seth was hot, but now there is no real reason to keep him babyface. It's a natural progression, the fans turn on him and Seth stops caring about them. I'm probably going to watch again closer to Royal Rumble, as I do enjoy that time of year and the build up to WrestleMania. I may tune in again sooner if Seth turns.

We'll see.

Off topic: I've missed you all, and you probably underestimate how much.

 

Alright, last night I saw the Falls Count Anywhere match between Seth Rollins and Erick Rowan from Raw this past week.

It was even better on the rewatch! I thought it was a good match

Here are the fun highlights to anybody who missed it:

 

I just watched it, it makes me want to catch-up. Although I know that's only a small sample and the rest of the show was likely not very good. :lol

I'll be honest, I really miss being involved in something. I have Video Games but Wrestling just felt special IMO. Always something new every week, always something to talk about, even if it wasn't all good.

Really wish Seth was in a better place right now because it'd be easier for me to drop back in. Also, since when did Rowan have good matches? You know Seth must be good if he's getting a good match out of Rowan, unless he's improved since I last watched.

It's a weird nostalgic feeling for me right now. A part of me wants to watch the clips of RAW/SD next week for a change. It's been a while since I did that. I just don't want to get stressed over it again, but I do mentally feel in a much better place these days. I was struggling with a lot of stuff back then that I won't get in to because it doesn't really belong here.

Good to see you still posting stuff in here DC. (Y) I know Seth will bounce back, he always does.

 

@DammitC ; you're way too kind and helpful for this forum. :Cocky

I really appreciate it man, thank you. I'm in two minds about whether I want to seriously get back in to watching the product again, but highlights here and there can't hurt. In fact I think that's probably the best way to consume wrestling these days, especially with other responsibilities.

It's good to hear a guy like Rowan improved. He always felt a bit lazy to me, and was probably the weakest of the Wyatt Family, but good to know he actually has made an effort to get better and is putting on good matches now.

I actually saw a bit of that Kevin/Shane match on SD by the way, I watched the highlights of the FOX debut and it's always good to see Shane get his ass kicked. :lol

 

Decided I'm going to watch again but not post about it. Wish I could balance it better, but I can't, not without it hindering my enjoyment. I remember six months ago when I was watching that I enjoyed the show a heck out of a lot more on my own. The only problem I had is not having the time for it. I'm one of those people that lets others influence how I feel about certain things, booking, matches etc and it can make Wrestling seem worse than it actually is. I don't enjoy being a pessimistic person.

The WWE sections just aren't fun in this place, I wish they were. I don't remember it being this bad in 2012-2013 but maybe it was because I was so fresh minded back then.

Peace out bros, and don't let people ruin your fun.

 

Seth still has fans left just to remind everyone, It's been hell for months supporting this man without criticism whether it be reasonable or not.

 

You don't need to remind me, I'm one of them and I always will be :lol Unlike some other people, I don't abandon my favourites unless I really truly fall out of love with them (which happened with Cena). But I doubt that'll happen with Seth, I don't even dislike him one little bit haha.

I'm really getting tired of the hate cos it's literally everywhere. You think I'd be used to it considering I'm a Roman fan though lol.

 

I like Rollins, prefer him as a heel, but I still like the guy. The booking he got as champ though didn't do him any favors.

 

 

Still a Seth fan, he'll always be my favourite and I'll support him whatever he does which now the horrible feud with the fiend is over I'm quite looking forward to.

This place became so toxic that I had to leave, i pretty much just watch the shows now and that's it, dont look at any websites or listen to any podcasts. Wrestling is meant to be a bit of harmless fun and it was getting to a point where it wasn't.

 

So, Seth was right that he never gave a speech. Melzter admitted he was wrong and publicly apolgized to Seth. I'm not sure if anyone in the history of the business has gotten an apology from Big Dave, let alone a public apology. What do you know, Seth was telling the truth.



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WWE: Seth Rollins is now the most compelling star on Monday Night Raw


WWE and Seth Rollins have put together one of the most must-see storylines on Monday Night Raw by highlighting a remarkably well-booked character arc.
Seth Rollins is at a crossroads in WWE, both in the storyline and outside of it.

On one hand, the fan response to Rollins has certainly changed recently. On Monday Night Raw, there’s no doubt that a lot of fans seemed incredibly enthused when Rollins brought up Bray Wyatt beating him for the Universal Championship.



With an inconsistent reign at the top, along with a wide variety of controversial statements in interviews, Rollins hasn’t really endeared himself to fans lately.

At the same time though, it’s clear that Seth Rollins has the best story arc playing out on Monday Night Raw today.

WWE has legitimately successfully booked a long-term story for Rollins, which “The Kingslayer” has executed to a tee.

Start back at Clash of Champions when Rollins took on Braun Strowman, for example. It was the first show where we saw Rollins forced to call back to his past by using a pedigree as part of the winning combination to take out Strowman.




Then, at Hell in a Cell, we saw Rollins embrace his history with Triple H even more when he used a sledgehammer to smash “The Fiend” and put a stop to their match.

Now, after finally losing the Universal Championship he’s so desperately clung to over the past few months, Rollins took that last step and embraced his intertwined past with Triple H on Raw.

In other words, in a few short months, we’ve seen Seth Rollins go from a proud champion who actively to defied his past self that embraced “The Game”, to someone who was now more than willing to play ball with the leader of NXT.

After having lost his shot at winning the NXT Championship though, now Rollins is practically back to square one again. He trusted Triple H, and honestly it didn’t seem like he got anything in return.


What does that mean for his future on Monday Night Raw going into a brand war that’s quickly become one of the most talked about angles in pro wrestling?

That’s likely going to be the million dollar question for the next few weeks, bringing with it a litany of other follow-ups as well.

We all know Rollins has a history of scheming with Triple H. If he joins Raw’s team for Survivor Series, will he be trusted? Should he be trusted? Does he really feel the need to defend Raw’s honor when he’s already admitted he may not have the energy to try to save the brand from Brock Lesnar again?

There’s legitimate doubt for where WWE goes with this story, and that’s not something you can say too often anymore in this era of wrestling.

You have to commend WWE for pulling something like that off, and honestly you have to do the same for Seth Rollins too.


Rollins has played his role perfectly. He’s oscillated between conflicted and defeated, while still putting up that wall of the proud and defiant champion. That’s a level of nuance that not everyone can believable sell, yet we’re seeing Rollins do it night in and night out right now.

When you look at everything from the story to the character work then, there’s practically no denying that Seth Rollins has become one of the most compelling superstars to watch on Monday Night Raw, no matter what reaction he’s getting.

https://dailyddt.com/2019/11/05/wwe-seth-rollins-compelling-star-monday-night-raw/

I refuse to give WWE credit for this because it wasn't originally done by design. But that doesn't change the fact that this article raises a good point. Right now on Raw, what Seth will do next is pretty much the only interesting thing going on right now. I really, really hope he turns heel soon. I would think that is the endgame here.

 

New gear looking sweet as usual:

Before this, he had been wearing all-black too much. Good to see him switch it up. Wouldn't mind seeing him wear some brighter colors for awhile from here on out.

 

Rollins/Andrade was really good except for the outside interference finish. That red shirt he was wearing was nice, too. Boston won my respect as a crowd, too. Good crowd.

 

What the heck was that graphic on the back of Seth's tights? I kept trying to look all throughout the match but I couldn't tell :lol

 

 

Looking forward to this. I miss the white attire that Seth wore.

 

It's pretty hilarious when you think about it, but Seth is the only halfway interesting thing going on in the company right now. Without him, this place would be almost completely lack new threads. It's also funny how anyone with a functioning brain can think Punk's response was anything special last night. Repeating what a bunch of 15 year old virgins on Twitter have been saying for months (because they're ass-hurt as hell, btw) isn't some great comeback. It's actually completely lacking considering we all know Punk is far more creative than that. Gonna write it off to him being alittle rusty.

 

I'm a bit late on this, but I thought Seth Rollins and Andrade had a pretty decent match on Raw this week

I actually had fun watching both men wrestle each other since their chemistry in the ring was really good, but of course they decided to have the Lucha House Party interfere to ruin their solid match unk2

Anyway, I'm not sure if anyone else has noticed this; but I like how they're not really Rollins flat-out decisively defeat his opponents weekly. He is still a top guy, but I like how Rollins isn't booked to just dominate other wrestlers in spite of his status.

Rollins has been doing his part in helping his opponents look good (or even better) lately when they wrestle him in the ring. The most recent examples are his last 4 opponents he's faced in singles competition against the likes of Andrade, WALTER, Adam Cole, and Erick Rowan. Rollins technically has victories over these guys, but none of them really looked bad since he never pinned them (nor did he quickly destroy/beat them).

Even for Rowan's case, it took 2 Curb Stomps and a forklift to finish him off; so he didn't really look bad at all losing to Rollins.

I hope they have Rollins continue to have more solid/fun matches where his opponents get to look good in the spotlight

 

 

Missed it, but ROLLINS/CIAMPA. That finish was fire.

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Didn't see the rest of the show, though. Seth looked like a god damn star tonight. If they turn him heel, he immediately becomes the hottest thing in the company. Hell, even without the turn right now, he's pretty much all people talk about these days re: WWE. Just turn him, though. Don't Cena/Reigns him and have him be a generic babyface his entire career just because. If fucking Hogan, Austin, Rock, Flair, HBK, Taker, Savage, et all can turn heel, then any of the guys from this era certainly can. (and yes, I know Cena was a heel in the midcard, but I'm talking about being a heel as a main-eventer.) Rollins was a heel main-eventer in 2015, so there's absolutely no reason why they can't turn him now. He's been a face for over 3 years now and has actually been a face longer than he was a heel as a singles. It's time to turn him again. Now, with today's fan, he'll probably get cheered in a year or so again after turning, but let's cross that bridge when we get to it.

 

For a second, I thought that they were going to have Seth Rollins be the 4th member in the end :lol

Anyway, it was pretty cool watching Rollins show up on NXT, and it was great seeing him interact with Tommaso Ciampa :mark:

That's something that I'd never thought I would end up seeing :trips8