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http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/act-parliament-passes-religious-vilification-laws-20160804-gqlagu.html

I'm so sorry Australia now has some shite blasphemy law that's similar to ones in the middle east.

Edit: Damn, you beat me to it. $7500 fine, fuck me sideways.
IMO it's a little unfair to label this as simply 'ILLEGAL TO CRITICIZE ISLAM' as in incendiary title when it was an update to the discrimination act which also includes stuff like this:

Thursday's changes to the Discrimination Act also added disability to the list, so it is now illegal to vilify someone because of disability, religion, race, sexuality, gender identity, and HIV/AIDS status. Vilification can include social media posts, actions in a workplace and wearing clothes, signs or flags that would incite hatred, contempt, ridicule or revulsion.
It's not as if the law itself is singling Islam out as far as I can tell, (even though the article does) but presenting as if it does on a headline that you might see on a tabloid paper doesn't really do much for opponent's credibility when there's clearly more to the story.
 

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Thursday's changes to the Discrimination Act also added disability to the list, so it is now illegal to vilify someone because of disability, religion, race, sexuality, gender identity, and HIV/AIDS status. Vilification can include social media posts, actions in a workplace and wearing clothes, signs or flags that would incite hatred, contempt, ridicule or revulsion.
One of these things is not like the other.

Also there seems to be a problem, islam vilifies people for their sexuality.
 

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One of these things is not like the other.

Also there seems to be a problem, islam vilifies people for their sexuality.
Exactly, I actually saw this in the bullshit arguments of the ISIS recruiters where they were claiming that western women not wearing the hijab is discrimination against their beliefs because according to their religion the men are in a perpetual state of sin if they're around unclothed women. This is a conversation that is actually happening between poor hapless westerners and muslim extremists in the UK and other parts of Europe.

I see the same bullshit happening in Australia eventually.

Sad. It seemed like a nice enough place free from this bullshit.

Also, disability, sexuality, race and gender are things you have no control over. Religion you do. It's a choice. It really is a choice. Therefore it should not be protected under the same categories as things that are innate. Ever. Otherwise it's just another form of a blasphemy law.

BTW, I also disagree with them protecting AIDS people from discrimination because it can go the way of "Hey, she won't have sex with me because I have aids, she's discriminating against me!" ... Lol. I have all the sympathy for people who have Aids, but I've also heard stories of people weaponizing their disease.

What a fucked up world we live in.
 

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Exactly, I actually saw this in the bullshit arguments of the ISIS recruiters where they were claiming that western women not wearing the hijab is discrimination against their beliefs because according to their religion the men are in a perpetual state of sin if they're around unclothed women. This is a conversation that is actually happening between poor hapless westerners and muslim extremists in the UK and other parts of Europe.

I see the same bullshit happening in Australia eventually.

Sad. It seemed like a nice enough place free from this bullshit.

Also, disability, sexuality, race and gender are things you have no control over. Religion you do. It's a choice. It really is a choice. Therefore it should not be protected under the same categories as things that are innate. Ever. Otherwise it's just another form of a blasphemy law.

BTW, I also disagree with them protecting AIDS people from discrimination because it can go the way of "Hey, she won't have sex with me because I have aids, she's discriminating against me!" ... Lol. I have all the sympathy for people who have Aids, but I've also heard stories of people weaponizing their disease.

What a fucked up world we live in.
You'll notice I wasn't passing judgement on the law itself. I'm not saying it's right (on paper it's obviously going to far - I mean social media posts WTF?) but it's not as if the law is singling out Islam like some would have us all believe, it's talking about all religion.

That was my point, because insistent "ISLAM!!!" headlines like this from certain circles add to the idea that us westerners (or Australians if you want to drill deeper) are losing our countries, our culture, and that sharia law is just around the corner. It's paranoid and it's simply not true (and not possible considering the tiny amount of our population that is muslim), at least not here I can assure you.

My point was lets be honest about what these laws actually are if we want to be taken seriously. Otherwise we just come off as paranoid IMO with no credibility.
 

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You'll notice I wasn't passing judgement on the law itself. I'm not saying it's right (on paper it's obviously going to far - I mean social media posts WTF?) but it's not as if the law is singling out Islam like some would have us all believe, it's talking about all religion.

That was my point, because insistent "ISLAM!!!" headlines like this from certain circles add to the idea that us westerners (or Australians if you want to drill deeper) are losing our countries, our culture, and that sharia law is just around the corner. It's paranoid and it's simply not true (and not possible considering the tiny amount of our population that is muslim), at least not here I can assure you.

My point was lets be honest about what these laws actually are if we want to be taken seriously. Otherwise we just come off as paranoid IMO with no credibility.
If it's a recent change and Australia has had other religions then it's definitely about Islam and Muslims.

Also I wasn't responding to you as much as adding my thoughts in agreement with Gandhi.

The thing is naivete when it comes to Muslims. But if they keep giving in to them they'll eventually learn things the hard way.

There is a reason why the vast vast majority of Muslim countries have the worst living standards in the world.

@yeahbaby! - BTW, I just want to clarify that I'm not a doom/gloom kind of guy. Canada has managed to survive the multi-culturalism so far, but it's because of their vetting process. It's still better than Europe's. Also, they have fewer muslims from North Africa and Algiers etc. I actually see Australia not being impacted as much as Europe either. From what I've heard you guys have one of the most stringent immigration processes. The other thing that perhaps needs to change is how the right communicates. Instead of saying culture, they need to talk about moral values directly. Muslims and Non-muslims have certain values that are completely incompatible with one another and the criticism coming from the right is fair - even if it does end up making it feel like doom is coming. Unfortunately, this sort of thing happens over decades and anything can happen during that time - including changes that stop the value clashes from happening.
 

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You'll notice I wasn't passing judgement on the law itself. I'm not saying it's right (on paper it's obviously going to far - I mean social media posts WTF?) but it's not as if the law is singling out Islam like some would have us all believe, it's talking about all religion.

That was my point, because insistent "ISLAM!!!" headlines like this from certain circles add to the idea that us westerners (or Australians if you want to drill deeper) are losing our countries, our culture, and that sharia law is just around the corner. It's paranoid and it's simply not true (and not possible considering the tiny amount of our population that is muslim), at least not here I can assure you.

My point was lets be honest about what these laws actually are if we want to be taken seriously. Otherwise we just come off as paranoid IMO with no credibility.

Don't let them win, because they're trying.

"war is deceit" - Prophet Mohammed
 

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Religion deserves no special protection at all, it's an ideology. Might as well make political affiliation something that can be protected. Should a person be denied basic things or jobs based on Religion? Absolutely not but this does not mean a Religion cannot be mocked, criticized or told to take a hike when they try to use Religion to avoid doing something mandatory.

@Reaper I get why they're careful about AIDS/HIV status but one also has to look at the fact people have a right to know if someone who could possibly give them the disease is in a position where transmission is possible. It seems that at times people who carry this dangerous disease are given priority over those who do not have it. It makes meeting people harder because you really have zero clue if this person is infected or not.
 

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I want to get this off my chest, but as far as cultural incompatibility is concerned, one of the main things that impact a huge number of people that's incompatible is what women wear.

In Islam, a woman is supposed to be covered from head to foot. Now while there are liberal muslim men that have been able to overcome their indoctrination to an extent, there are huge numbers that don't and continue to harbor hatred.

The second one is eating pork and drinking alcohol. Again, there are some Muslim men and women that do engage once in a while and "cut loose". But most do that during their formative years and call it "experimenting" and then become "born again Muslim". That is the muslim you have to worry about. When people think of born again, they think of born again christians, who actually become annoying, but very peaceful. They embrace the new testament message of love even if they're somewhat hypocritical. The problem with the born again muslim is that that liberal man or woman you knew in college no longer exists at all and is replaced by an extremely conservative person whose values are no longer at all compatible with western values. Just because your friend Abu Mohammad or whatever is currently drinking with you in a gay bar does not guarantee at all that 10 years from now he won't become Anjem Chaudary ...

Sure, the rebuttal to this is that any white person can also become an extremist, but since that white person doesn't share a common fundamentalist ideology with other whites, the chances of him having the exact same motivations is very low - and therefore the numbers of extremist whites remain low and in-check. It's self-controlling as there isn't a core ideology that is a gateway to extremism.

This is my biggest critique of Islam. Because it hasn't been reformed to the extent that it should have been (or christianity has) and it literally has no concept of lapsed, agnostic or atheist muslims living among them to bring moderation to their echo chamber, the chances of immigrant children growing up to be extremists is much higher than that of any other group.

The political left does not understand this at all and does not want to accept this as a possible outcome or truth .. and it's unfortunately because of their trusting and loving nature. That's a western value in and of itself - and it's a great one imo that should never be forced to change - but until and unless there's caution thrown into the mix, this value is literally the one that's at the greatest risk of disappearing. Then I can't even begin to imagine the world where it doesn't have the empathy, kindness and love of white people ...
 

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Don't let them win, because they're trying.

"war is deceit" - Prophet Mohammed
Forgive me if I don't buy into the fear, I simply don't believe the average person who happens to be muslim is out to get me and change my generally relaxed way of life here. There are extremists of course preaching the nuttiness, however they are in the minority.

Here is Aus things like domestic violence, suicide rates, unemployment, drug abuse, violent crime, floods and bushfires (to name but a few) are much, much more of an issue comparatively than anything a tiny number of muslims could do.
 

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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/photos/10-examples-ridiculous-politically-correctness-150911722/wanted-lazy-worker-reliable-hard-photo-150911189.html

Apparently some human resource people in some companies are not allowed to use the terms "reliable" or "hard-working" as it might offend "unreliable" workers. Well, maybe, just maybe, these unreliable workers need to get off their ass and do some work? :smile2:
Probably the same lame asses who claim unfriending on Facebook is bullying...:leo
 

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Forgive me if I don't buy into the fear, I simply don't believe the average person who happens to be muslim is out to get me and change my generally relaxed way of life here. There are extremists of course preaching the nuttiness, however they are in the minority.

Here is Aus things like domestic violence, suicide rates, unemployment, drug abuse, violent crime, floods and bushfires (to name but a few) are much, much more of an issue comparatively than anything a tiny number of muslims could do.
We need to realize that the "muslims" you speak of aren't all that muslim. Extremists are muslims, moderates are as muslim as a fish eater is a vegan. The moderates are mostly normal people who know fuck all about their own cult. It could be argued that there are even grey areas between moderates & real muslims.

I'm talking about genuine muslims in Australia or anywhere in the west, you cannot deny they exist and I think it's a healthy assumption that you don't know enough muslims. It'd be fun to have you suddenly be able to fool muslims into thinking you're muslim and see what their conversations on your laws are like. Deception is actually a huge factor in islam and has been since Mohammed founded islam, and I have spoken to muslims and heard all their dirty little secrets that they will not share with you. Spoken to muslims with families in the west and muslims living in the middle east planning to live in the west. You'd be surprised how many of them realize western people are bending over for them, some of them think it's funny and one muslim once told me "god always finds a way to make islam dominate yeah?".

You underestimate a group of people who were able to make Germany allow a child marriage.
 

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We need to realize that the "muslims" you speak of aren't all that muslim. Extremists are muslims, moderates are as muslim as a fish eater is a vegan. The moderates are mostly normal people who know fuck all about their own cult. It could be argued that there are even grey areas between moderates & real muslims.

I'm talking about genuine muslims in Australia or anywhere in the west, you cannot deny they exist and I think it's a healthy assumption that you don't know enough muslims. It'd be fun to have you suddenly be able to fool muslims into thinking you're muslim and see what their conversations on your laws are like. Deception is actually a huge factor in islam and has been since Mohammed founded islam, and I have spoken to muslims and heard all their dirty little secrets that they will not share with you. Spoken to muslims with families in the west and muslims living in the middle east planning to live in the west. You'd be surprised how many of them realize western people are bending over for them, some of them think it's funny and one muslim once told me "god always finds a way to make islam dominate yeah?".

You underestimate a group of people who were able to make Germany allow a child marriage.
Listen man pretty much everyone in this section has been through this point with you before and I'm well aware of this point you keep drilling in that the only real muslims are the extremist ones.

I disagree with that and I'm allowed my opinion, let's not open this whole saga again, let's just move on.
 

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The police’s ‘Hate Crime Operational Guidance’ now stresses that the victim’s perception is the deciding factor in whether something is measured as a hate crime. No evidence is required. ‘Evidence of… hostility is not required for an incident or crime to be recorded as a hate crime or hate incident,’ the guidance says. ‘[The] perception of the victim, or any other person, is the defining factor… the victim does not have to justify or provide evidence of their belief, and police officers or staff should not directly challenge this perception.’
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/08/the-real-hate-crime-scandal/

I really shouldn't read these articles. It just infuriates me what we've become.
 

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Listen man pretty much everyone in this section has been through this point with you before and I'm well aware of this point you keep drilling in that the only real muslims are the extremist ones.

I disagree with that and I'm allowed my opinion, let's not open this whole saga again, let's just move on.
Guess I have to repeat myself. Opinions don't matter, only facts do.

You are a muslim if you follow islam, you are a cookie cutter "muslim" if you don't follow islam.

This isn't rocket science, I genuinely believe you're just dishonest.
 

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@Gandhi please keep going, get fired up again and start up the record so we can look forward to another vacation from you. It's just the same shit over and over, I don't care if you think I'm dishonest as you have no credibility with me or I'm betting a lot of people.

Now good day to you sir!
 

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@Gandhi please keep going, get fired up again and start up the record so we can look forward to another vacation from you. It's just the same shit over and over, I don't care if you think I'm dishonest as you have no credibility with me or I'm betting a lot of people.

Now good day to you sir!
I don't believe you.

You're cornered in an argument, to the point where you're using an appeal to popularity fallacy.

You have a good day now.
 

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We need another World War.
Great idea but these are the people who would go and hide. SJW's avoid dangerous areas or ghettos during protests, doubt they would fight some war. I have to admit their rhetoric is clever, it allows for blanket racism and discrimination based on race/gender/ideology. I mean that's pretty fantastic that in 2016 the promotion of intolerance of ideas and people is being preached on Colleges nation wide and that it's actually getting Colleges to placate to it. It's going to be even mroe funny when the SJW nonsense eats itself as many of the ideas are against one another, the black man is in for an awakening when white women tell him to check his male privilege.
 
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