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The biggest failures in my opinion were:


1. UFC - Not buying it when it could be had for a few million. If WWE had followed Dana White's course, MMA could be their primary revenue driver and not wrestling
Underrated comment. It has been said that Vince multiple times in the 90s worked on becoming Mike Tyson's manager (Nash even tells a story to Sean Oliver that Vince pitched a Tyson/Nash charity boxing match). We also know that Tyson loves wrestling and is actually quite knowledgeable on the subject apparently.

In fact, Russo (who I realize is one of the biggest half truthers in the biz, but he worked at Mcmahon's hip for several key years) said that the meeting before Tyson came in articulated that the goal was Vince rebuilding Tyson's image post-prison and Tyson was originally slated to be a babyface the whole time. Vince stood firm on that a long time and still demanded he end up a babyface (hence WM 14's finish). Shane was assigned to hang out with Tyson 24/7, which is more fuel to that fire.

If Vince closes that deal in the 90s, maybe he networks MMA connections while absorbing product/biz knowledge and the potential the sport had instead of seeing it as "human cockfighting" as John Mccain said. I remind people too Vince Mcmahon before reportedly becoming "paranoid" used to be excellent at delegation to specialists.

Dana tells a story that the Fertitta brothers were one morning away from selling after losing so much money until one of the brothers slept on it and changed his mind the next morning. Remember, UFC didn't blow up until the Ultimate Fighter.

If Vince Mcmahon had the connections, a solid reputation in boxing and made an offer the Fertitta brothers would take while they were emotionally reeling, that would be massive.

Of course, we know Vince never did close that Tyson deal.

Tough to give one answer though, easy arguments for many things.
 

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I'm not sure I entirely follow the logic, you have a money-making machine, possibly a GOAT who is willing to sign a new extension deal. In addition the deal will give WWE a sizeable cut of any future movies earnings with no risk on their part.

Instead they gamble on Dwayne being a complete flop and coming back cap-in-hand, which is absurd, because in any negotiation he could always point to being the biggest money draw in the business.
You answered your own question. They gambled on Dwayne being a flop. And don't discount hurt feelings. There's always the thought that "we made you, everything you have is because of us, now you're walking away. Go ahead. You'll be back."

Also, up to that point there had not yet been a wrestler who had become a long-term viable movie star. So WWE had history on their side.
 

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Hard to take what OP said was a fail, at the time it was a great moment and on top of that it was the best wrestlemania for me personally. His biggest fail should be pretty obvious to a lot of people, the XFL.
 

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I disagree about austins heel turn in 2001, it was required imo.

austin was getting abit stale and people seem to forget that its hard to make a guy a heel who acts like a heel already when hes a face, the only way they could get people to dislike him was to take away those staples of the stone cold character and much like undertaker becoming the ABA it made people realise how much they wanted the old stone cold back and when he finally did come back it refreshed the whole character.

I watched wrestlemania 17 again not long ago and its an incredible show, possibly the best ive seen.
 
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This isn't his biggest mistake but I'm sorry, this needed to be quoted.

What in the actual living fuck is this?

A demented sixty year old mentally unstable man relishing the fact that he is making a complete mockery of the very own company who basically played an astronomically huge part in what he accomplished up to that date.

I'm not relaying any new info here but successful or not, Vince really is a fucking horrible human being. Fuck him. (By the way I am not basing my opinion on this image and his concurrent actions, I've always thought the guy is a low life piece of shit. Bret Hart was always right.)
 

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Pretty much everything he's done in the last 10 years.
 

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Personally I thought it was tremendous booking. Whole story went full circle.
The WWE had balls and tried to turn AUSTIN IN TEXAS!! THAT is BADASS AUSTIN!! The heel turn worked imo, but it fell apart as someone said when they made him all silly with Kurt Angle.

I think the majority of fans had turned on him fully after the Benoit match. Even the JR beating was done well.

The things I think didn't sell well was his mic work the night after saying he was tired of fans sponging off him. That was weak as hell and wasn't convincing. I always believed they should have just told the obvious story that Austin didn't believe in himself anymore and wanted the protection of the Mcmahon family and the title.

Take away Austin's belief in himself and reliance now on the same establishment he was against. That he felt he wasn't "The Man" anymore after losing to HHH and that he was a shell of his former self. I know he would veto that character assassination, but it would make those who believed in him more likely stop. Not believing in himself or the fans to get him through it would make people give up more on him.

HHH getting injured also ruined the turn too as he was the only guy fans could legitimately believe Austin would be paranoid about who also was the one who almost murdered him. WWE screwed up. Austin even joining WCW was a good idea, IF IT WAS THE REAL WCW with Sting and so on in it led by Bischoff.

Long term, buying WCW probably hurt the buisness more than anything.

Financially, XFL was easily his biggest money loser.
Yeah, it's easily these two things. The only thing though what would have occurred with WCW with no tv? It was worthless as Bischoff said and in this instance WWE holding the catalog was best long term.


Business fell in 2001 because The Rock left, no one cared that Austin turned heel, his fans were still gonna watch and cheer him just like they did in Texas that night. Austin's heel turn actually gave a little spark to his career as that's the whole reason for the heel turn was that the babyface gimmick wasn't working.

The problem lies with their top draw, The Rock leaving right after WrestleMania 17, that's where the majority of viewers started tuning out as time went on, and then again the two times he left in 2002.

Another problem was the Invasion, fans came to see WWF vs WCW and didn't get it, fans gave Raw their highest rating since joining TNN for when The Rock came back but it was downhill after that.
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Yeah, I do think Rock leaving as he did killed some momentum. I did see the logic of having him suspended and then coming back from his filming. Problem was no one could replace Rock as babyface besides Austin himself. That is why I say HHH also going down hurt the Austin heel turn. HHH turning on Austin into babyface could have worked that summer.

No one's "un-boo-able", that's another myth that Ross, Vince, and the rest of the creative team created to cover own asses after they botched Austin's heel run...matter of fact, Austin did get a good amount of heat...but after HHH got injured, that's when they turned him into a total clown...a lot people might've liked the stuff he did with Kurt, but on the long run it ruined his character, and he couldn't recover after that.


Back to the main topic, it's either the XFL or making Stephanie the head writer of the creative team.
Yeah I do think that whole Angle thing just butchered Austin although they had a great match at SummerSlam. Having Austin turn into that comedy act was not a smart move. I don't think he ever recovered from it and it is why fans started to take things from Austin as comedy.



Don't get me wrong I loved "WHAT" like the next person, but that crazy sob was long gone everyone fell in love with. He wasn't the same.

I disagree about austins heel turn in 2001, it was required imo.

austin was getting abit stale and people seem to forget that its hard to make a guy a heel who acts like a heel already when hes a face, the only way they could get people to dislike him was to take away those staples of the stone cold character and much like undertaker becoming the ABA it made people realise how much they wanted the old stone cold back and when he finally did come back it refreshed the whole character.

I watched wrestlemania 17 again not long ago and its an incredible show, possibly the best ive seen.
WM 17 is A GOAT show and defined the Attitude Era. In terms of truly epic for generations to come like WM 3, WM 5, and WM 6, and WM 14 main events did prior. Only show in recent years I felt that way about was the night Taker lost at WM and seeing that HBK/Taker match at WM 25, but that main event of that show was horrid.
 

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his biggest fail is being a control freak and not selling 10 years ago. enjoy your family and retirement with your billion dollars. we all work in life to eventually not have to work. the fact he is still fooling around with wrestling at 72 shows how pathetic his life is.
 

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his biggest fail is being a control freak and not selling 10 years ago. enjoy your family and retirement with your billion dollars. we all work in life to eventually not have to work. the fact he is still fooling around with wrestling at 72 shows how pathetic his life is.
In fairness people like Vince don't want that normal life. It may drive him more bat crazy than he already is.
 

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Well it was Stone Cold Steve Austin's idea so I hardly call this Vince's fail.....

His biggest booking fail was not including CM Punk in Rock-Cena as well as putt HHH-Jericho last at Mania 18.
 

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Business fell in 2001 because The Rock left, no one cared that Austin turned heel, his fans were still gonna watch and cheer him just like they did in Texas that night. Austin's heel turn actually gave a little spark to his career as that's the whole reason for the heel turn was that the babyface gimmick wasn't working.

The problem lies with their top draw, The Rock leaving right after WrestleMania 17, that's where the majority of viewers started tuning out as time went on, and then again the two times he left in 2002.

Another problem was the Invasion, fans came to see WWF vs WCW and didn't get it, fans gave Raw their highest rating since joining TNN for when The Rock came back but it was downhill after that.
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If Rock leaving is THE major reason for the decline, why the ratings didn't pop back up after his return in Aug?
 

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Buying his competition. Vince wanted to make his competition go away, in doing so he hurt his own company more than anything else. The downfall of the WWE began in the spring of 2001 when Vince bought WCW. JR was right when he said Things will never be the same at the end of Wrestlemania 17.
 

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If Rock leaving is THE major reason for the decline, why the ratings didn't pop back up after his return in Aug?

They did, Raw got it's hottest rating since joining TNN with Rock returning garnering a 7.1.

Problem lies with the invasion, lower quality of storyline and Rocks role diminished, he wasn't WWF/WWE champion again until July of 2002 and even then that was only one month to put over Brock Lesnar and long after the damage had been done to the product (Invasion, Brand Split and NWO ending premature)
 
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